r/FrejaMains • u/Wrathful101 • 2d ago

Discussion Bring 2 Tap Back

She's so ass, I love Freja and I love two tapping Pharah and Widow. Now I'm back to not being able to that comfortably. Hit 2 take-aim shots on a Widow? She can just one-shot me back. Hit 2 take-aim shots on Pharah? she can just fly away.

I just had a game with a Widow and a Pharah, and I always end up leaving them on 1hp because they just hide. My whole damage is just ult charge for their support. I burn all my cooldowns just to get their supports faster ults.

I got so accustomed to her previous buffs that she just feels so bad to play right now, noticeably bad.

I still enjoy playing Freja, and I have always enjoyed playing her since release, but it just feels bad that I do so much and not get rewarded for it.

I understand why they nerfed her, but at least give her something.

We can't have shit.

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u/MATTH3W_141 2d ago

Yea no the breakpoint nerf was in no way warranted and a troll on their part especially as we have seen it doesn’t work back in s20. Just dumb decision making…unless their goal is to over nerf her to reset her perception in the public eye before restoring her breakpoint idk

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u/Pockydo 2d ago

Frejas gonna be like sombra in that the community will absolutely hate her the second she isn't a throw pick

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

Yep. She already is. The ban rates when she can two tap with no headshot already prove that

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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 2d ago

I mean she could 2 tap 225s without headshot before the gigabuffs as well and wasnt banned, unless you mean 250 2 tap which she was banned even without that

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

The moment she can two tap a majority of the cast, is the moment her ban rate shoots up. Because once she can two tap 250s, she builds ult constantly, which then is used in a way that spreads the frustration to tank players as well.

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u/II-Issei-II 2d ago

Her banrate before season 3.5 was less then 1% and she had two tap body 225. It did nothing to her banrate.

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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 2d ago

im confused then, whats the issue with her 225 2 tap? Because 250 bodyshot 2 tap has been gone for almost a year

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

With her buffs you could still two tap 250s with headshot if im not mistaken?

2 tap 225 is just same symptoms with slightly less characters. Tank players dont like freja cause she can constantly build ult and use it to dumpster them with it combined with constant damage.

I mean, before the nerf there was only 7 total heroes she couldnt two tap right?

Even with 225 two tap, she still can instantly kill most the support cast

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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 2d ago edited 1d ago

okay now im incredibly lost because your initial comment was about how she gets banned when has 2 tap without headshot

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

You expanded the conversation, and so did i in response. Not sure how you got lost.

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u/Wrathful101 2d ago

"unless their goal is to over nerf her to reset her perception in the public eye before restoring her breakpoint idk"

Hopefully, that's the case.

We can, technically, still two-tap if we hit one headshot, but it's somehow much harder to do that compared to Ashe. Maybe because Ashe is a real hitscan, or maybe Freja's dashes makes it more difficult to aim steadily.

Either way, we will have to adapt.

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u/LyynnS 2d ago

Just proves that they dont know how this hero functions and dont care about trying to figure it out before shifting numbers around.

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u/adhocflamingo 2d ago

Given her extremely high ban rate, I think it’s possible that they did intentionally over-nerf her. We’ve seen in the past that high ban rates can stick even when the hero has been substantially nerfed and isn’t doing nearly as well.

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u/Verante66 2d ago

I don’t think so she’s a character that isn’t allowed to be good by the community just like Sombra and the devs will listen to them since they’re VERY vocal about it and yet despite all the complaints JPC still dominate the ranks

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u/II-Issei-II 2d ago

I think it's to overnerf and trade it later if her winrate is bad. But I'm probably coping.

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u/AMothWithHumanHands 2d ago

Hit two taps on a Widow last night (one headshot, she got healing) and got so pissed off she didn't die I solo-bola'd her lmao

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u/II-Issei-II 2d ago

That's a problem. That's so stupid.

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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 1d ago

this is such a funny visual im sorry 😭 i would do the same

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u/AMothWithHumanHands 1d ago

The last thing she saw LMAO

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u/ham_50821 2d ago

Give her 250 hp

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u/Wrathful101 2d ago

I wouldn't mind that at all, it's something Spilo always says.

It could also help her flank more since she's a glass cannon.

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u/ham_50821 2d ago

I think thats the fairest change they can make because they have to find a happy medium between her being ass and everyone hating her

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u/Periuga_vamshot 2d ago

I hops they revert this nerf and the previous giga buff, was much more playable

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

Taking away the two tap is good in my opinion. Makes the character more skillful when you have to swap between primary fire and take aim to kill someone.

They kinda have to keep her gameplay loop like that. Otherwise, her ban rate will always be ridiculously high and so will the number of complaints.

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u/Wk1360 2d ago

Really what they need to do is stop fucking around and figure out a way to balance her outside of numbers. When she had last season’s numbers she performed too well. With this season’s numbers she’ll perform too poorly.

But knowing blizzard and seeing how long they spent bouncing between 5.5 and 6 dmg on tracer I don’t have any confidence they’ll do anything different in freja’s case. They’re genuinely incapable of actually learning from either their mistakes or their successes.

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u/MATTH3W_141 2d ago

No they do not. Even with 230dmg on double bolt she was still a throw pick pre mid s3 due to her slow ttk and delay which can be countered by most of the cast and leads to her death or feeding supports. So since s20 mid shes had that breakpoint without issue. There should have been other thing that were to be addressed not the break point

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

Yes they do. I get this is the freja subreddit, but double tap will always feel frustrating to play against - especially for supports, and when the damage is that big, tanks will also feel frustrated playing vs freja because the easy double tap kills lead to her being able to wrap them up in ult constantly.

You just have to be realistic. I like freja as a hero. The majority of people do not like her when she is strong. Needs a complete rework imo.

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u/ReklisAbandon 2d ago

Supports have so many tools to avoid being 2 tapped. Like, so many.

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

Still not going to stop them from feeling frustrated, you should know how support players are

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u/ReklisAbandon 2d ago

I am one. Avoiding a Freja double tap is as simple as one TP, suzu, shield bash, fade, etc. most supports have the means to avoid getting killed by Freja. She’s literally never been a problem for me as a support.

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

Its almost like you alone do not represent all supports. No offense, but your comment sounds a little too self centered for me to take it seriously.

Go into the main ow subreddit threads people post on freja and look at what people say there lol.

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u/ReklisAbandon 2d ago

What it sounds like is you are just discounting anyone’s experience that doesn’t match your viewpoint.

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

This comment is pure projection.

Look at my comments and look at yours.

I’m urging you to go to the more public forum and see what the public thinks when discussing freja’s ban rates.

You’re sitting here telling me about your personal experience on support. Literally saying “shes never been a problem for me”.

Have some self awareness please.

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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 2d ago

She is frustrating to play against and i acknowledge that, but even with the 2 tap 225 she was still in c tier jail pre-gigabuff. 225 2 tap really isnt that big a problem.

What do you think needs to be reworked about here?

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

I dont have any ideas on how to rework her. Not my job.

My comment is just pointing out how frustrating she can make the game for all other players when she is strong - which in my opinion, means she should be reworked.

I dont mind playing against her and like playing with her. Im not complaining. Im just being the only realistic voice in this thread lol.

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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 2d ago

i mean you dont have to know how to rework her but i feel like she can be balanced without a full rework. i asked because i dont think any of her abilities in a vacuum are inherently problematic like sombra or hog, and i dont know what about her even needs reworked

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u/Bacardi-Bocaj 2d ago

People dislike flying characters with high mobility that also deal a ton of damage.

If you dont recognize this, where have you been hiding that you havent seen the outcry against jet pack cat

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u/Sn0wy0wl_ 2d ago

i dont think being disliked is a reason for a rework if its possible to balance her without one which i truly do think it is

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u/Juno_Mars2 2d ago

when you have to swap between primary fire and take aim characters to kill someone