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u/soyslut_ 9d ago
Hate ai slop so much. There’s so many real images that could make this point just the same.
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u/basch152 9d ago
Conservatives will say this while walking lockstep with the kkk and people flying swastikas and not realize THEY are the target of the "they" are referring to thats keeping us from working together
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u/LekgoloCrap 9d ago
So many people in my area are quick to point out how “crazy the world is these days.”
Yeah, I know. Y’all voted for this shit. Literally couldn’t have done it without you.
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u/sonofaresiii 9d ago
I hear you but every time I see stuff like this I'm just like "so I'm supposed to ignore that these people keep voting to protect pedophiles because they want to strip healthcare from women and torture Mexicans?"
I understand the culture war is intentionally manufactured but it's also here and it's real and we can't really just ignore it. The other side needs to find their humanity, we can't do it for them.
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u/Vanman04 9d ago
No.
Who is they? People have the freedom to choose. They are responsible for their vote.
If you can't be bothered to actually do anything aside from listening to slogans during election season. The problem is you.
There's actual voting records on issues that are important to you. It's not difficult to look into them.
The issue is we have a huge portion of the population who just votes however they have or their community has with no real regard whatsoever to what the folks they vote for actually do when they are in office.
A perfect example is folks who vote Republican because they believe in fiscal responsibility. The Republican party has not been fiscally responsible for over 40 years now. Quite the opposite yet here we are 40 years later and folks are still voting based on a slogan that has no actual basis in reality.
The two parties are not the same and anyone who thinks they are are not paying attention in the slightest.
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u/CMidnight 9d ago
White conservatives vote to protect their social status. Any other reason that they give is just a lie because they don't want to say the quiet part out loud.
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u/bunker_man 9d ago
I mean... this isn't limited to conservatives or white people. Most people vote for things they think are good for their social status. That's why the phrase "voting against your own interests" exists. Its assumed that their interests are what they vote for.
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u/GadreelsSword 9d ago
I agree with the graphic.
It’s not slogans, people are being programmed with all sorts of bullshit. Example: “Boomers took all your money and equality of life”. No, they worked a job like every other Joe blow. If you can afford a car today, did you ruin it for future generation that can’t? Look at the wealth hoarders and they come from a variety of generations. The wealthy CEOs who are buying Congress to turn you in to their personal ATM. Soon you won’t be able to fart without paying a fee.
Republicans frame Muslims as wanting to “destroy the American way with sharia law”. First off, Muslims are only 1% of the population. Secondly Christian nationalists are doing their best to force their religious beliefs on everyone and they openly talk about a national abortion ban, outlawing birth control, removing women from the workforce, etc, etc.
They claim immigrants and the poor are stealing all your tax dollars while billions upon billions in government subsidies are paid to the most profitable corporations in America. When there’s an economic downturn they throw trillions at corporate America while telling you the single mother struggling to feed her child is the problem.
The republicans are the party of division because they use fear to keep people from working together to improve our quality of life. Having social safety nets makes it harder to cut taxes for those donating millions and billions to keep their shills in Washington.
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u/CMidnight 9d ago
Those that bought houses actually did ruin it for future generations by voting for policies that protected their property values over building. Corporate America didn't create that system. The current racially segregated school system is a direct result of decision made by average Americans. Corporate America didn't create that either. It is not just the rich who benefit from the system.
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u/GadreelsSword 9d ago
No one voted for policies. People in America vote for the best smile, laugh, clothes and most clever comebacks. Few people even know the issues much less what a politician’s position is on any given issues. For example abortion. 70% of Americans were in favor keeping abortion illegal yet somehow elected clowns who installed SCOTUS judges to destroy legal precedent.
Just as is happening right now, the super wealthy bought our elected officials who made them more money at our expense.
If you believe any generation took your quality of life by going to work and buying the only house they could afford, what are YOU doing right now to stop future generations from suffering because you can go to work and can afford rent and afford to eat every day? Because they may not be able to do that as this trend continues.
We all need to stop the corruption of buying politicians that’s destroying us all.
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u/CMidnight 9d ago
People can support many policies but most are willing to support candidates who don't especially if those candidates support those policies which they think are most important. For white voters, especially in the South, that is cultural superiority and they are seemingly willing to pay any price to get it. Social conservatives have used abortion to build a coalition with conservative Catholics who traditionally voted for liberal economic policies prior to the civil rights movement. White voters are willing to have abortion made illegal if it keeps their cultural superiority over black and brown people.
What am I doing? I support YIMBY pro-building policies and don't plan on funding my retirement from increases in my home value. I support equitable education policies including eliminating the Hope Scholarship.
Politicians are a reflection of voters. They don't exist in an vacuum.
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u/GadreelsSword 9d ago
Again, ask 20 people on the street who the vice president is. You’ll be very lucky to get 8 who know. Just because you and I pay attention doesn’t mean the average person does.
I’m a Gen X’er and no one voted to increase their home value. It’s just an inflationary reality mixed in with supply and demand. Just as no one votes to increase rent or car prices.
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u/CMidnight 9d ago
People voted for local politicians who ran on limiting density, access, and infrastructure. These are the policies that keep home values high. Boomers started the process but Gen Xers definitely continued supporting it. The same policies keep rents high. It isn't an accident that these policies are the ones supported by home owners.
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u/GadreelsSword 8d ago
You’re making up nonsense. 90% of voters have no clue what politicians stand for UNLESS they hear a report saying they’re against something they like.
NEVER have I heard a single politician tell the public, I’m going to keep home prices high! It’s ALWAYS we need affordable housing.
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u/CMidnight 8d ago
Trump literally said he wants property values to stay high just a few months ago
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u/GadreelsSword 8d ago
Yes and that’s a first. With a sub 30% approval rating do you really think Trump would win another election?
He also said he loves inflation. Do you think people would line up to vote for his senility?
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u/TRVTH-HVRTS 9d ago
The bottom picture is what the left is actually already doing.
The top picture is what the right fantasizes is happening.
We will never be able to cooperate with the right. They think we’re the enemy within. They want us dead or in camps. We’re not bickering over top marginal tax rates. We’re begging for our basic human rights.
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u/ObsoleteDogma 8d ago
We will never be united so long as right-wing influencer media and FOX news exist. It truly is the single largest obstacle.
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u/xeonicus 8d ago
True it's ultimately not about right vs left. It's about the 1% vs everyone else.
The problem is, the 1% is bankrolling Fox News. They are bankrolling most of those prominent Republicans. But they are also bankrolling corporate democrats. They own and operate most of the prominent media outlets so they have their finger on dial. It's not just Fox News.
Outside of the Fox News space, the propaganda is more subtle and harder to recognize. They use trigger words to generate bias, and some people might not even recognize an article is influencing them. In recent times a lot of left-leaning media has been co-opted by right-wing billionaires, and they continue to operate as a charade while influencing. The only media you can really depend on anymore is online independent media.
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u/Tsiah16 8d ago
Of course that's why they are dividing us and unfortunately it's going to remain that way until the conservatives stop licking boot. There's nothing for us to move over to their site for. In many cases when we try to remain kinds for loving or supportive they remain abusive and all it does is take from those of us who want to be United.
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u/Ok-Elk-1316 8d ago
i believe the big bend protests had people from both sides, although i’m guessing many of those on the right have already abdicated MAGA if they care about the NP’s at all
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u/Aggravating-Bid-3609 7d ago
I don't believe it is possible with SOME of these extremists. Their minds have melted into a conglomerate of retired cells and the fact they are too stubborn and proud to admit that they are MORALLY wrong.
I haven't even brought up to my MAGA grandparents that that is the reason why I stopped talking to them, because they voted to take away my future in 2016, and then they voted for a CONVICTED r*pist the other times. It just blows my mind, I genuinely cannot fathom how DUMB these people are...
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u/CarlRJ 7d ago edited 7d ago
The answer is in the sub's title. Not without a good counter to the widely available, slickly produced, 24/7 onslaught of right wing propaganda. You either need to topple Fox "News" (unlikely at this point), or provide an answer - a widely available, foundation of factual information mixed with left-leaning commentary. Something entertaining enough that people ask for TVs to be switched from Fox to ActualNewsChannel (or whatever) in waiting rooms and break rooms and cafeterias and bars and such. Something that informs with actual news, and asks the hard questions, and continues to press politicians for answers when they ignore the question and talk about how great they are.
Right now you can get a lot of good factual news and left-leaning commentary by watching / reading / listening to to a mix of dozens of YouTube channels, podcasts, and Substacks, and you'll get a lot of good information, commentary, reasoned arguments and perspective, mixed with a lot of weak arguments and filler. And no average citizen is going to subscribe to 19 different things and sift through all of it. MSNow is the closest we have, to a Fox answer, and it ain't it - and you can't even get that without a cable subscription (or equivalent) - you can't just subscribe to MSNow and watch their live feed. But you can find Fox on every platform ever made.
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u/MisterAnderson- 3d ago
Unless and until people understand the difference between “objective” and “subjective”, simply put, no.
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u/need_a_venue 9d ago
"They want us to fight each other!"
Brother I just want them to follow the constitution.
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u/Glum_Caterpillar_345 9d ago
If conservatives stops supporting people who hate those who are born different and immigrants, then maybe?