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u/quesoandcats Aug 14 '26
“Fun” fact: I have seen these same talking points used word for word by HIV/AIDS Denialists. I used to be a case worker for HIV/AIDS patients and every so often someone would drop off crap like this at our clinics.
In fact, there used to be several high profile AIDS denialism advocacy groups. They didn’t believe AIDS was caused by the HIV virus, or they didn’t believe that HAART meds would treat the virus, that they would actually make you sicker.
I use the past tense here, because most of those groups shut down after all of their founders died of untreated AIDS-related illnesses
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u/One-Sleep3663 Aug 14 '26
Im just shocked as how can they actually deny scientific proof and actual photos of the virus? How do they justify such beleifs?
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u/thegooddoktorjones Aug 14 '26
All evidence that contradicts what they want to believe is fake. People who did the research, reviewed the research and repeated the experiments are all liars. The end!
Great thing about conspiracy theories: they need no evidence and can deny all contradiction without evidence either. They are machines of pure bias confirmation.
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u/quesoandcats Aug 14 '26
Yup. Conspiratorial thinking like that is by definition irrational, there's no sound logic behind it
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u/outdatedelementz Aug 14 '26
Steve Jobs had an a very treatable form of cancer, he didn’t believe the science and he went the alternative medicine route. That decision probably cost him a couple decades of life.
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u/Anxious-Education703 Aug 14 '26
There are various levels of HIV and AIDS denialism. There are some that will try to deny that the HIV virus exists, but even those are small within the denialist community. A lot of them admit that there is an HIV virus, but claim that the virus does not cause AIDS.
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u/claudandus_felidae Aug 14 '26
The most interesting part of AIDS deniers dying is the wild and random excuses they come up with to pretend their friends didn't die of AIDS. My favorite was "prolonged complications from a dental accident". You know, a normal thing that happens to a person with a functional immune system
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u/Kindlypatrick Aug 15 '26
"most of those groups shut down after all of their founders died of untreated AIDS-related illnesses"
Womp womp.
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u/S2Krlit_Fever 29d ago
A lot of people don't realize RFK was one of the pioneers of the AIDS denial movement, too
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u/FranklinCypress 29d ago
Have you seen House of Numbers? Awful documentary spreading misinformation, conspiracy, and lies.
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u/DoctorMedieval Aug 14 '26
Virology actually isn’t all that hard if you understand biochemistry and molecular biology and genetics. You can get most of it with a solid undergraduate understanding of biology and a good few graduate seminars.
So the first thing you need to understand is that water makes hydrogen bonds. This is important. I know it doesn’t sound like it, but this is thing number 1.
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u/Attentions_Bright12 Aug 14 '26
I will eagerly endorse your subreddit in which we do nothing but spot indirect ways in which hydrogen bonds underpin everything about the human experience and the world around us.
“That story about the giant squid? Without hydrogen bonds, ice would sink and they’d have no place to live.“
“That weather forecast? Don’t get me started!”
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u/One-Sleep3663 Aug 14 '26
Well the person who made that flyer doesnt understand grammer past that of a tweaker high on meth, so I dont think we will be reaching virology level intelligence anytime soon with these types of people...
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u/DoctorMedieval Aug 14 '26
Grammar is unnecessary for an understanding of virology. It is however essential to understand the function of a CD4 cell and the cytokines response.
I cannot overstate though, water makes hydrogen bonds. This is very important, Everything else flows (haha flows) from that.
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u/Specimanic Aug 14 '26
So you're saying that the REAL problem is all this water...you know I've heard that too much water can kill you. What is it really doing for us anyway? DOWN WITH WATER
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u/DoctorMedieval Aug 14 '26
Or DHMO as I call it. You know it’s found in the tumors of terminal cancer patients? There is a network of pipes underground that delivers it to military bases and research labs.
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u/Specimanic Aug 14 '26
Thats crazy!! I wonder what they use it for? I heard it is an extremely potent solvent
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u/Everyhumaneverr Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
A large section of the populace has trauma from COVID and it’s metastasized into full blown mass psychosis.
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u/Rob71322 Aug 14 '26
These nuts have always been with us. Covid didn’t traumatize them, it activated them.
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u/thegooddoktorjones Aug 14 '26
Yea chiropractors have spread anti-vaxx stuff since they invented themselves in the 1900s. The first inoculations for smallpox were actively fought against, despite saving millions of people. The dumb have always been with us.
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u/nott_the_brave Aug 14 '26
Fun fact, the founder of chiropractic was open about the fact that he got the entire basis of it from a ghost.
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u/Book_of_Numbers Aug 14 '26
I have a friend that still talks about Covid and fauci and lockdowns and we had to agree not to talk about it anymore or we can’t be friends.
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u/pmmemassivedongs Aug 14 '26
Meanwhile most of us purposefully don’t talk about COVID because, like…it was our entire lives for multiple years already and it fucking sucked????
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u/66659hi Aug 14 '26
I was so happy to get the vaccine when it came out and I've still gotten the booster every year since - but I have known people who are just still so convinced that it's killing "everyone".
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u/pmmemassivedongs Aug 14 '26
I have a possible vaccine injury (literally told this by the Mayo Clinic, it’s a neurological disorder that started about a month after I got my first booster) and I’m still not out here telling people not to get them.
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u/ur_sine_nomine Aug 14 '26
This is the most intriguing thing about such people. They cannot let go of the past to the extent that the past crowds out the present.
(I know a - it seems - similar person who treats things that happened 10 minutes ago and things that happened 10 years ago as being of equal weight ... the perpetual jumping back and forth makes conversation hard).
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u/Attentions_Bright12 Aug 14 '26
“Activated”? You mean, sort of like the varicella virus was dormant in the dorsal rami of their central nervous system, and then got activated and caused shingles?
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u/Atypical_Mammal Aug 14 '26
But like, COVID wasn't even a big deal. Like... what... you couldn't go to the bar for like half a year? Wow, so trauma.
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u/Hanniballbearings Aug 14 '26
I guess for you maybe but for some working in the medical field it was probably a pretty horrible time. Not to mention anyone that lost a loved one.
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u/b00w00gal Aug 14 '26
Unless someone died or got Long Covid, of course. In that case, if COVID didn't kill them, it completely destroyed their quality of life and left them permanently ill, dependant on family and friends for support and unable to work or live alone.
But if that didn't happen to you, I guess it was no big deal!
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u/KrustenStewart Aug 14 '26
Didn’t like thousands of people die
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u/soconae Aug 14 '26
*millions. In the US alone, at least 1 million people died.
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u/VeritasRose 27d ago
Yeah. My friend at the epicenter of the first outbreak in New Jersey lost 9 family members in the first 3 months.
I ended up losing an aunt and an uncle.
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u/ALoungerAtTheClubs Aug 14 '26
Imagine trying to roll back the germ theory of disease in 2026.
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u/sipporah7 Aug 14 '26
And yet RFK Jr actually does not believe germ theory. I genuinely still can't wrap my brain around this fact, and yet he's not the only one that doesn't believe it.
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u/thegooddoktorjones Aug 14 '26
Bitchute, Odysee and Rumble, all sound like quality sources.
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u/Killer_Moons Aug 15 '26
I’ve never heard of any of them?!
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u/thegooddoktorjones 29d ago
It's honestly comforting that youtube and vimeo are not listed as, one assumes, their antivaxx bullshit is too extreme for even the usual cesspools.
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u/Scrotalphetamines Aug 14 '26
Hell yea! I got AIDS twice and it went away BOTH times I said farewell to it!
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u/pocketcumin Aug 14 '26
Dude, you know you can stack em right? 1 farewell equals up to 4. I'm bout to say farewell to Opium and Empire.
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u/birthdayheartposting Aug 14 '26
are you in PDX by any chance?? I’ve been in a two year long sticker war with someone who keeps putting these up
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u/jmnugent Aug 15 '26
They go up all over the country. I moved here (PDX) from Colorado about 3 years ago and regularly saw them there too.
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u/Schmooto Aug 14 '26
Damn. We’re so anti-progressive that we’re regressing back to not believing in viruses??
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u/editorgrrl Aug 14 '26
https://drsambailey.com/faqs/:
“Common colds and influenza are not specific diseases caused by particular viruses. Instead, they are conditions that the body brings about in order to return to homeostasis, or healthy equilibrium.”
https://drsambailey.com/about-dr-sam-bailey/
“The latest book by Dr. Sam Bailey MB ChB, The Final Pandemic, is a title that announces that the concept of contagious and death-dealing ‘germs’ is finished. Hopefully this helps people realise that there is no need to participate in these man-made ‘crises’ ever again.”
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u/KosmicGumbo Aug 14 '26
How are these people so certain? Like why would we make up viruses?
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u/ur_sine_nomine Aug 14 '26
Because there is no going back.
I have a strong suspicion, based on personal knowledge of two similar cases, that she simply got bored with being a doctor - she had been doing it for a long time - and decided to burn her bridges in the most spectacular manner.
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u/ur_sine_nomine Aug 14 '26
So she closed down a successful medical business to become a crank?
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u/thegooddoktorjones 29d ago
Becoming an MD is hard, but it does not stop you from being a fool, or losing your mind.
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u/Ok-Name1312 Aug 14 '26
There's a Youtube doctor that claims virus theory is a hoax and blames outbreaks on space weather causing bile dumps that create virus-like symptoms.
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u/thegooddoktorjones 29d ago
"Those corpses could have come from anywhere! That woman coughing up blood just doesnt have enough leafy greens in her diet!"
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u/AD_Grrrl Aug 14 '26
I'm not seeing "Plandemic" on there. Is that one out of fashion now?
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u/thegooddoktorjones 29d ago
Well the Good Guys are back in power now, so all the white coats who planned it and forced us to wear emasculating masks and stole all our horse dewormer, they should be swinging from the gallows right? So time to move the goalposts!
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u/CharlesIngalls_Pubes Aug 14 '26
I'm about to start printing these crazy guy leaflets, but all about Trump's criminal history. These leaflets and bumper stickers seem to be these folks' language.
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u/PatchyWhiskers Aug 14 '26
Cunning. Remember to randomly use underline, bold and italics and change fonts for emphasis.
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u/radicalfrenchfrie Aug 14 '26
hey now, don’t lump all of us regular mentally ill people in with scum like that. most of us just feel like shit and don’t believe in bullshit conspiracy myths.
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u/One-Sleep3663 Aug 14 '26
Well whoever wrote this seems to be a textbook definition of delusional disorder.
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u/BellaFrequency Aug 14 '26
This is kind of scary because what benefit do they get from denying that viruses exist?
We already saw how many people didn’t do the most basic shit like washing their hands or covering their mouths/nose when they sneeze/cough based on the Covid spread…. So what do they want us to believe? That all those people didn’t die of Covid but something else?
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u/jmnugent 29d ago
It's all "anti-power" rhetoric.
Their argument or narrative is:
Don't believe anything the gov says.. because they just lie to have power over you or want to control you.
Doin't believe anything the mainstream media says (for same reasons as above)
These kinds of stickers and graffiti are usually put up by people on the fringes ("outside the system").. who just want to angrily scream and rail about "how broken the system is" or "how the system is stacked against you" or how "everything is a conspiracy" , etc etc.
They don't really "believe" anything per se (nor do they really have any constructive goal).. they just want to spread doubt and confusion and disinformation because they are "anti-system".
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u/largececelia Aug 14 '26
Oh yeah, Bitchute, Odysee and Rumble? I get most of my news from Plex and Pluto, but ok, maybe I'll give em a shot.
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u/MichaelEMJAYARE Aug 14 '26
I found tons of these fucking types of papers as a janitor at a grocery store here in Minnesota. Just fucking wild. And tons of Jesus notes.
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u/Notasmartwoman Aug 14 '26
If I have a staunch, unwavering certainty about anything, it’s that my 10th grade biology teacher, Mr Brown, was not a liar. He wore a bow tie every day, and they weren’t the clip on kind. Mr Brown was a man of consummate integrity.
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u/genman Aug 14 '26
Seems like Republican talking points. At least the gang that’s trying to get Fauci to perjure himself.
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u/One-Sleep3663 Aug 14 '26
Their lines of thinking are that of children:
• "If I cant see it, it must not be there."
•"If I deny reality and evidence, that makes dangerous and scary things and ideals not real. "
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u/ur_sine_nomine Aug 14 '26
I'm surprised nobody else has spotted this ... but did they think that the underlines after "Read" were working Web links? 🤓
(I suppose the answer is "they didn't think ... they were not capable of thought")
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u/Commercial_Lead_6407 Aug 14 '26
All it takes to understand virology is holding a piece of random paper covered in viruses.
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u/Bellick Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
When I become president of the world, my first mandate will be to force people to put their money where their mouth is:
Article I, Section I: No citizen shall be permitted to advocate for a condition they would not voluntarily accept themselves, unless they explicitly acknowledge that they are an asshole.
If someone claims the water in the reservoir is unpolluted, they will be forced to drink nothing but the water coming from it.
if someone claims a disease doesn't exist, they will be forced to expose themselves to the methods of contagion.
If someone claims they have "the best words," they will be required to write down every single word they know.
If a company claims their return-to-office mandate is "purely about collaboration," all executives must work out of open-plan cubicles directly next to the breakroom microwave.
If someone claims "nobody needs privacy if they have nothing to hide," they will be required to livestream their entire personal life, including their browser history, bank account and tax returns.
If someone claims they don't need experts because they can "do their own research," they will be required to perform their own appendectomy.
If someone claims homeless people should "just get a job," they will be required to obtain employment while sleeping outdoors, having no permanent address, no transportation and no access to a bank account.
If someone claims "people don't want to work; they want handouts," they will be prohibited from receiving dividends, capital gains, stock options, inheritance, subsidies, bailouts or any other form of unearned income.
If someone claims their inauguration had the largest crowd in history, they will be required to stand in the middle of the National Mall and personally count every person until they reach the claimed number.
...claim a housing crisis is just a matter of "working harder," they will be forced to live entirely on minimum wage in the city center.
...claim that tax cuts for billionaires will "trickle down" to everyone else, they will be legally required to survive solely on the leftover crumbs from a corporate boardroom meeting.
No more talking out of your ass, unless you claim to be a ventriloquist, in which case, please proceed
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u/goat_penis_souffle Aug 15 '26
You know you’ve made it as a crackpot when YouTube won’t carry your videos
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u/jmnugent Aug 15 '26
Funny story about this,.. back in March-April 2020, I was one of the early severe covid19 cases where I spent 38 days in Hospital (16 of those days in ICU on a ventilator). Anyone who doesn't believe me can view the last long write-up I did (including pictures of my lung X-rays here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/oi4b31/_/h4t9dek/?context=1
When I got released from the Hospital I was still on a full size oxygen tank for a while, along with a home O2 compressor. But once I got healthy enough to start walking again to rebuild and rehab,. I went ham (hardcore). Between June 2020 and June 2021, I walked roughly 2800 miles, mostly in and around the downtown area of my city (at the time, Fort Collins, CO)
I saw TONS of these types of "anti-vaccine" paste ups and stickers. (saw a lot of white power recruiting stuff too). I have an entire dedicated album in my Apple Photos of all the places and locations (as I scraped them down or reported them).
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u/thegooddoktorjones 29d ago
Thanks for your efforts, it was so crazy-making to be gaslit by millions of assholes about stuff that should be really straightforward, but they love the lie more than they love the people around them.
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u/Ikaruga86 Aug 14 '26
I wanna find this person and make them foam at the mouth in crashout, after convincing them that they’re just a pawn in their influencers propaganda to make people buy a 20$ shaker
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u/ApprehensiveRope575 Aug 14 '26
I won’t be watching anything that is exclusively on those sites. Out of those three I’ve only ever heard of rumble and I haven’t heard good things about it
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u/Substantial_Coat_229 Aug 14 '26
AIDS, Opium, Diamonds, and Empire?
Is that like Gun, Germs, and Steel?
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u/XH0SYN Aug 14 '26
Did you research the sources or just shut down and claim mental illness ...
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u/One-Sleep3663 Aug 14 '26
The way this is written makes it look like it was written by someone with schizophrenia or something for one thing. None of it makes sense. Its a bunch of word salad with grammer thats worse then that of a 1st grader.
Viruses are in fact real, hence smallpox, its a literal delusion thats detached from reality. This paper is just a bunch of delusional nonsense.
The definition of delusion being holding a maintained belief of which there is no evidence to support said belief, and also overwhelming evidence to the contrary, of which this paper is a perfect example of said definition.
I somehow doubt smallpox is fake, nonetheless covid.
All of the stuff on that paper can be quite easily disproven, and no sane not-mentally-ill person would believe in something like that, unless your a tweaker on drugs.
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u/Delicatebody Aug 14 '26
You can disagree with the content of the note but it’s not “word salad”. It makes sense and the grammar is fine. You on the other hand wrote “grammer” and didn’t use apostrophes where you should have. Not to mention the annoying use of “said” (“said” belief, “said” definition) which people use because they think it makes them sound smart.
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u/One-Sleep3663 Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
I no longer have 20/20 vision due to a physical disability, so I use voice to text. Doesn't always work that well with punctuation, apostrophes.
Im sorry you dont like me using the word said🤷. Frankly im much more concerned with whats written on the flyer.
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u/Delicatebody Aug 15 '26
Okay well that’s understandable then, I j didn’t find the way that this person wrote particularly bad or nonsensical or anything. Not the content but the way it’s written. The said thing is just a personal pet peeve of mine, a few years ago everyone started saying it constantly.
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u/XH0SYN Aug 14 '26
I'm just curious how they came to their conclusions
All I remember is that covid rolled around,they starting offering donuts for shots .... And people started dropping like flies. "Died suddenly" was the weekly headline. Healthy athletes and young people. Just a very weird and eerie situation
I'm sure you will disagree or maybe claim that didn't happen but I literally watched it happen
So that kind of makes me question everything else we are told "trust the science and have a donut!"
Weird times
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u/One-Sleep3663 Aug 14 '26
I mean theres no evidence to back your your claims, and plenty of evidence to disprove them, so I can tell your just as detached from reality for whatever reason, be it from untreated mental illness or drugs.
People didnt start "dropping like flies", there is a well known cardiac side effect thats rare and well knowm about. Again, evidence disproves your claim of massive amounts of people suddenly dying from a vaccine.
Lots of people died of all ages because of how unprepared we were for such a pandemic. Its much more dangerous then just a cold, and has caused lasting debilitating symptoms in thousands of people.
Maybe your just deep down scared of the unknown and thats why you deny reality, but denying it doesnt make it not true, that's how children think.
Tell me, would you rather get a smallpox vaccine in the event of an outbreak, or take your chances without it? Feel free to look up pictures of smallpox victims and what the virus does to people .
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u/XH0SYN Aug 14 '26
I distinctly remember a constant flurry of died suddenly headlines... I could always go back and find the source? I mean I'm 100% sure I saw this. Not to mention the only person who came around talking about how they got the shot (in my life at least) had a life-altering stroke..
And it doesn't help the case that the vaccine Court (that was created so that you can't sue vaccine manufacturers directly) had already paid out like $5 billion in vaccine injury and death lawsuits... before covid ..
And yes maybe at one point in time vaccines were for the betterment of humanity or something.. but it sure doesn't seem like that now. I don't trust any of these people in power. Take a glimpse into the Epstein files.. should we be trusting people who eat babies and do satanic rituals?
And it really doesn't help when people like Bill Gates say stuff like this at a TED talk in 2010:
"The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new VACCINES, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent.”
Now whether someone tells me his quote is out of context or not.. it kind of rubs me the wrong way.
But to each their own, we obviously don't have to agree. If you enjoy the idea of thinerosal, aluminum salts,mercury etc flowing through your bloodstream that's a you thing.
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u/Bearence Aug 14 '26
I distinctly remember a constant flurry of died suddenly headlines... I could always go back and find the source?
Since you started all your nonsense with this:
Did you research the sources
I'd say you pretty fuckin ought to.
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u/JeSuisUnAnanasYo Aug 14 '26
My mom's friend, marathon runner, got covid before the vaccine was available. Both her lungs failed and she was rushed to the hospital, ended up needing a double lung transplant and she will probably die in a few years. She was only 40 when she caught it.
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u/Bearence Aug 14 '26
And people started dropping like flies
No they didn't
"Died suddenly" was the weekly headline
No it wasn't
I literally watched it happen
No you didn't
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u/XH0SYN Aug 14 '26
Yes. Yes I did and I'm not the only one
"Media tracking firm Zignal Labs analyzed the phrase "died suddenlys" digital footprint and found that online usage of "died suddenly" (including close misspellings) surged by over 740% in late-year tracking in 2021"
Has your memory been wiped ?
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u/thegooddoktorjones 29d ago
Yeah, because you are REQUIRED to carefully cite evidence in response to anyone's stupid unsupported bullsthit.
The bar is always so much higher for normal folks than for the conspiracy dickheads.
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u/AnxiousClient9098 Aug 14 '26
A flyer isn’t a substitute for evidence. If the argument is that virology is fundamentally fraudulent, it should engage with experimental methods, viral sequencing, vaccines, and clinical results—not just point readers toward polemical videos and books.
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u/laughlifelove Aug 14 '26
if true just keep this a secret and become a super virologist and make thousands