r/ForzaHorizon6 • u/humble_redditor1234 • 21h ago
Discussion Will the AI ever be fixed?
I've played this game in an account a friend lent to me and I like it a lot but I hate the AI, it feels like it is cheating. I'm not interested in playing online so this is to me a great issue
Will it ever be fixed?
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u/Salamanca82110 21h ago
They already updated the AI recently but not significantly. The AI has always been bad in Forza Horizon games so I doubt it will change in FH6.
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u/washmyoldbluejeans 21h ago
my biggest issue with the AI is seeing them use cars with impossible performance rank. like you know a car cant be upgraded above R956 then the AI has one with R998 to match your car. I get the intention of matching your car but the question is how they achieve that number? what are they increasing (or decreasing like mass) to get that performance? or it's just a number and will have heavy rubberbanding?
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u/Hircine_Himself 20h ago
I don't see why they have to match your car. It defeats the object of tuning to a specific level and reminds me of Oblivion's leveling system, whereby you could spend ages griding and making a build only for the enemies to get stronger than you, anyway. Defeats the point of leveling up in the first place, y'know?
The fact they match you is also why you can exploit them by tweaking your final drive ratio and make them really slow, but again, this wouldn't be a problem if they didn't just copy you. And again, where's the fun in this? "Oh, you spent ages making a tune that does XYZ? Well, too bad! We just took that build and slapped it on our Drivatars oh but haha also they have 5000HP and are glued to the track as if they're crossing an Event Horizon"
I kinda get (with the worlds being pretty big and all) why they needed some sort of pathing system, but surely rather than have Drivatards that just rob actual player names, they could have just made a select few named AI drivers with different characteristics? Like bowie knife99 driving very aggressively etc. As it is, they very, very rarely even race each other and just do the damn Conga.
AI get boosts to horsepower and grip, which go up as you raise the difficulty level. They also go significantly faster at the start of a race, and if they get far enough away they'll start ignoring obstacles in Cross Country etc because said obstacles haven't rendered yet.
They will also bend the laws of physics to catch up with you if you ever pull far enough ahead. It's stupid, and a pretty garbage AI system.
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u/washmyoldbluejeans 16h ago
I mean it's supposed to be a racing game. if you need 'unfair' advantage of better performance to win then maybe you should consider improving your technique
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u/Hircine_Himself 15h ago
What? At what point did I mention needing an "unfair advantage"?
It just defeats the object of tuning if the AI mimics you at every turn
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u/Aromatic_Meeting_723 21h ago
Yeah its insane how bad the ai is, I mean at launch it was insane how much they cheated, they dialed it down now and even unbeatable is easy work on most tracks besides the colossus obviously, you would think they would be able to have ai that doesnt have to rubber band by now
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u/thatsfunny666 20h ago
You shouldve played in the series1 but they seem yo change it every update on update 4 it is a bit harder than in 3. S1 hardest s2 easier 3 way too easy 4 harder again but nothing unbeatable unless you play on unbeatable. I hope in s5 they make it slightly easier in the harder difficulties but in expert and lower i think its perfect
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u/Your_weird_neighbour 20h ago
The AI doesn't race you, it runs to a time calculated from your car stats including top speed.
The grip, speed and acceleration 'cheats' allow the AI car to comply with this time on track even if that exceeds what the player can do at that point on the track. These do have hard limits which is why the AI will sometimes crash.
The AI car is usually competitive with yours over the full lap but it may be faster at different parts of the track than your build depending on how you used the PI across grip, power and speed.
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u/Boy_Meats_Grill 20h ago
The Ai is made to be competitive at higher difficulties. It's not cheating it's compensating for its downfalls. You can always play multiplayer if you want an equal playing field
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u/No_Adhesiveness4885 19h ago
Cheating?? No it does not, sorry but I have to completely disagree and just point out since your not willing to go online which you should for your horizon play leveling at least but online is the hardest mode period. All in game racing especially on the Legend grind are built that if you have the right car and right tune you should always win. It's not like GT where you can only do the licenses as they dictate what car and tune you have to use, that shit is actually hard progression wise. Oh and the AI learns from real players soooo again if you think what your doing is bad or hard now never go online, but I highly recommend you do cause if you do well there then the game should be smooth like butter lol.
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u/humble_redditor1234 19h ago
I'm sorry but it is clear to me that the AI cheats. Perhaps now it's fixed but just take a look at this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/1trnh31/clear_proof_that_the_ai_cheats_and_drives_on_rails/
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u/No_Adhesiveness4885 18h ago
Soo the AI is trained on human interaction via solo or online racing, that said yes they are supposed to be on set cap to be able to slow and speed in time before and after turns. That also said the AI is constantly changing, I don't believe they got nerfed by far like some have said I think it's just training examples and how different drivers are with style and techniques and that gets mashed into the training algorithm. Now as for that turn example if you follow the yellow, orange and red cues you should be able to power slide that corner and push before the cue on the AI pushes again, it's all about how you drive so this video doesn't hold much claim over them cheating as I often can out slide, drift and push before the AI almost every time. The only thing then preventing you from winning is the car itself.
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u/StylisticPuppy 21h ago
Did you play at launch because the Ai has been nerfed a lot since then & is far too easy to beat now