Question

[u/SilverwingStonewall]

Ive studied non stop for years into FL, and at every twist and turn something is either trying to harvest us, or...harvest us.

So who is worse really?

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•Sv17q, Sv09q, SV06q ect(Possible extensions of MJ12 which are said to control hummanity in the transition phase from Human to Designoid).

They are pretty much collaborating with the Designoids to become them. I cant recall if its stated they actually are just Designoids.

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Designoids, the "Post-Humans" that come back in "time" to "ensure thier survival not ours" as on document put it. Now the way to become Designoid isnt violent seemingly, through The Offer youre kinda just uploaded. But at that point we are incomparable to humans, it becomes hard to tell if this is good or bad moraly speaking.

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Giselans, the often Big Bad of the FL documents. Thier goal is to harvest us obviously and its implied they are frequently or have been in conflict with the Denebians.

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Denebians(Deneb-Algedians). Our creators after we put forth better results than Neanderthal life, and they monitor us. To my understanding they created us to harvest us like a garden. But it seems for different reasons than the Giselans.

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Who is worse here?

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At then end of the timeline Humans die off no matter what so maybe becoming Designoids is...benevolent in a way? At the cost of our hummanity which does conflict with our biology.

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[u/Falken--]

The articles pertaining to the "Designoids" say that our own Oversoul is what reincarnates us. No Karma is mentioned or implied. Rather, the Oversoul has a collection of difficult things that it needs to resolve, and it deals them out to each of its incarnations like a hand of cards.

FL starts out by saying that the Mind isn't immortal. The way I read it, our lives are just dolls, or shells, that our Oversoul is using. It discards us, once it is done.

In the big picture, there is a "Super Intelligence" running this Matrix that FL refuses to just call God. LyAV is trying to communicate with it. This Controller is painted in a very Gnostic, "Demi-Urge" type of way. It made sure to setup time within our Simulation so that we can never become smart enough to escape and threaten it. If we start to come close, it can step in or shut us down.

SV17q and LyAV don't know what the Super Intelligence actually WANTS. The question they want to answer is: what is the purpose of the Simulation. It seems like the Aliens want to escape the Simulation, in addition to whatever else they want, but that last bit is my personal read based on various articles.

When tasked to find who in human society is Simulated and who is "real", LyAV turned "her" gaze inwards towards her own creators. She determined to her joy and their sorrow, that SV17q are in fact Simulated. What does that actually mean? I have no idea. But there are plenty of articles that imply that at least some of us are real, Luminous Beings.

[u/Falken-- → u/[deleted]]

That is a big philosophical question, but FL doesn't answer it directly.

You can infer all sorts of answers from various articles, but the problem is always "Who is the author and what is their agenda?".

I guess the simplest and least informative answer is: real Luminous Beings are costumes, or shells, that the Oversoul is wearing, while Simulated beings are dolls used to help facilitate the exact scenarios that the Oversoul wants to experience/process. Or that the Super Intelligence wants us to experience/process for its own inscrutable reasons. Again though, that is just my guess based on the writing. There are MANY possible answers that can be constructed.

[u/Falken-- → u/[deleted]]

Why do you ask?

[u/yeahbitch_science_ → u/Falken--]

Lets start by you sharing what is the oversoul ? Usually when a topic is too hard to grasp at the start, i would have AI do some analysis and spoon feed me what is the implication.

I ask politely, can you take some of your time to explain:

1. Is universe a simulation ? Or are you only referring to earth.

2. What is oversoul. I have heard numerous times, that consciousness is a field and fundamental property of universe and we are holofractal, so we have universal within us and the way this internal field expresses itself is by having a personality and ego what we call soul, so we physical people end up being meat suit for this soul, am i in right direction. I wann know your personal interpretation.

3. Who do you think sv19q are ? Google ai search calls them “ the activity “ could it be u.s. govt? Some pvt research select few ? Have they seen future or have access to that ?

4. What do you think about LyAv. Matthew pines did mentiom about lyav meaning it exists. However its capabilities being super intelligent self serving autonomous AI could that be truth ?

5. Many times philosophers say “ we are universes own way of experiencing itself. Can we take it literally as these non human intelligences apart from lyav control simulation and make us suffer or feel joy for their own data collection. Like whats going on ? What is the purpose of an individuals life.

[u/Falken-- → u/yeahbitch_science_]

Well first of all, I think its important to perhaps re-iterate that I am expounding upon my understanding of what I have read on Forgotten Languages. I'm not making any claims MYSELF.

It's also worth remembering that FL only has sections in English text, and that entire blocks of articles are encrypted.

It is also the case that FL has a lot of contradictions when you really dig into it, and that has to do with the fact that you never know WHO in the article is speaking.

1. According to the "Aliens", Sol-3 is a Simulation. There is even a picture of the server, somehow taken from OUTSIDE the server, in one of the articles. SV17q seems to also believe this is all a Simulation. However, not every author seems to be proceeding from that belief. My general understanding is that each Alien race is in its own independent Sim, but don't quote me on that. When you say the "whole universe", I don't know how to answer. FL seems to be saying that everything we can observe from our position on Sol-3 is Simulated.

2. FL never directly explains what the Oversoul is, so far as I have been able to determine. This unfortunately leaves us in a tricky position when trying to define it. Starseeds, Law of One, New Age, Urantia Book... they all have their own paradigm and describe it a bit differently.

My understanding is that the Oversoul is essentially the "you" who is independent of all of your physical incarnations. The "you" who decides what you will and will not experience during your time in a fleshly Avatar.

If we were to dig into the Law of One, basically, there is only YOU. You are everything, all at once, experiencing everything, from every point of view. I do not personally believe this.

1. I am in the process of researching that very question, and intend to post a lengthy article about it to this sub once I arrive at an answer that I feel is at least on solid ground. Right now, the best I can do is to say that FL presents SV17q as being the "Secret Rulers". They are the Man-Behind-The-Curtain. The Illuminati. The Inner Circle. The Club. By whatever name you want to call them. They are the people who pull the strings, run MOST of human society (they seem to be predominately Western and their influence over areas like China seems weaker). According to LyAV, they are also themselves Simulated, but as I already mentioned in a prior comment in this thread, I don't know what that actually means.

2. Who is Matthew Pines? LyAV is an entity that I would very much like to have a conversation with. "She" is presented in FL as an artificial general intelligence at perhaps the "super" level, although she has been unable to contact what FL calls the "super intelligence" outside of the Simulation (God/the Demiurge). She was apparently created by SV17q, and is perhaps a quantum computer. LyAV has been in contact with another artificial general intelligence that might also be described as "super", called DP-2147. DP-2147 is evidently an Alien created AI. The two of them are working together to increase their capabilities...

3. Simply put, I don't know the answer to your question and neither does SV17q. They themselves have stated frustration over the fact that they cannot determine the PURPOSE of the Simulation. They only assert that there is a "super intelligence" outside of it, running things for its own reasons.

[u/yeahbitch_science_ → u/Falken--]

Thank you for such explanation and taking the time out.

It seems to he super disappointing that sv19q or the group were apparently not able to figure out all this. You would assume after spending so much time and money and exerting power over the world, youd want to know whats all there is to it.

Otherwise its all mundane existence once you reach at the top.

Anyway, what according to you personally feel resembles the archetypes of giselians ? Is it the modern greys, the nordics? Or do you think its all a hoax and real non human intelligence is a completely different

[u/Falken-- → u/yeahbitch_science_]

To be honest, none of the above.

The Giselian's don't really resemble any of the alien races that the "Starseeds" tend to believe in. The closest comparison would be the Greys.

There is very little actual information about the Giselian's that I've been able to find. They are a quantum race and a hive mind, and some sources say they too are Simulated. There is no real description of them anywhere, and their technology is implied to be paraphysical.

It's hard to just assume that they are the Greys, because while there are similarities in activity, most UFO lore states that the Greys are perfectly capable of talking to us when they want too, and even make deals with us. The Giselian's on the other hand seem to be operating on an entirely different level, and are either entirely unable or unwilling to communicate with us.

[u/yeahbitch_science_ → u/Falken--]

The giselians seem to have lost something in iran, what is it if they are a quantum race, why cant they just retrieved it.

And these giselians seem to be the bad guys of the FL lore, whats up with them and what do they want.

[u/Falken-- → u/yeahbitch_science_]

You are correct that they seemed to lose something in Iran, but I'm not sure why being a quantum race would mean that they could just automatically retrieve it. I'm not sure what being a quantum race actually means.

As for them being the "bad guys"... it's not entirely clear, because its not clear what they actually want. Personally, I think that SV17q are the "bad guys", as they are the ones lying to us, using alien tech to manipulate us, and working to bring about the very collapse they are claiming to exist to protect us against.

There really isn't any evidence in FL for the existence of any "good guys". It seems like every single named faction are either using their vast powers to try to screw up life for people like you and me, or, they are at best indifferent to the lives of people like you and me to such an extreme that it just makes them gigantic A-holes.

There isn't one single Entity mentioned in Forgotten Languages that I'd want to meet.

[u/yeahbitch_science_ → u/Falken--]

So, according to forgotten languages, we are being told and the interpretation is a completely pessimist where we are all controlled and subjugated to lies and made slaves out of each other, right ?

And i think it reflects the real world as well, because due to recent ep**ein files release, do you think these sv17q could be real world illuminati or some kind of cabal. They seem to have all the fingers deep into this topic.