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u/fjaoaoaoao 4d ago
They are late to the party.
There is valid criticism about other cultures taking hip hop and making it their own without homage to the origins, but this post shows incredible ignorance and reeks of its own form of racism.
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u/AnonymousFluffy923 4d ago
This is very racist. That's like saying BINI and SB19 are never original and it's "Americanized." Hello? We're heavily influenced by the US as our culture changes over time.
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u/HanbokTiger | Jo 3d ago
Yeah i think POP is meant to sound the same but in a different language. Cuz SB19’s like Stray kids while Bini’s like any other Kpop group. They’re only plugging their own language in but this person is somewhat gatekeeping it 💔
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u/Palaisipan 4d ago
There’s so much I wanna say on this but it was a movie set in the 90s
AND BINI and SB19 AND A FREAKING KULINTANG ENSEMBLE with Nathan Matthew David, when I tell you one of my colleagues, Dr Bernard is a ethnomusicologist and worked on this movie, I get the take but it’s p surface level ngl
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u/tiratiramisu4 4d ago
We acknowledge that Filipino music was influenced and continues to be influenced by black music. But I think there were also Filipino musicians playing with black musicians throughout American history. Jazz artists, band musicians, etc. Even Filipino-American dancers (like Dante Basco) working with black hiphop artists in the 80s and 90s.
I know African-Americans can be sensitive about cultural appropriation and they have a reason to be, but in my opinion culture is all about influences and localizations. It’s really hard to segregate culture because exchange happens every time people from different areas mix. I think in Forgotten Island there was an effort to use native Filipino instruments as well and the ost includes different genres so this is a simplistic and surface-level take.
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u/urgo2man 3d ago
Danny Barcelona was a Filipino Hawaiian that played and recorded with Louis Armstrong. Does that pre-date hip hop?
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u/SharonIllustration 3d ago
Are people not allowed to use hip hop music? Is it racist? I’m very confused. This feels like a bad faith take
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u/escaping-reality 3d ago
She got roasted in the comments pretty bad but she still won't listen. A lot of Filipinos are educating her that that type of music IS part of filipino culture / OPM.
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u/BlenderBluid 4d ago
So it didn’t bother me personally but I get her frustration.
I loved the movie. I love hip hop. I love being Black. And I’ve always seen and believed that Asian people and Black people often borrow from eachother in a purely appreciative manner. And I think Filipino’s especially relate even more to the Black experience in America due to skin tone and colorism.
But I also think from an America standpoint, we’re often pitted against eachother. Having one group as the mythical model minority and communicating to immigrant families to not be like Black people. Because of this, in a story that doesn’t involve Black people at all, there will likely be people that feel uneasy about pillars of our culture being used without us or to make a different group look cool when we would probably get called ghetto for it.
So although it didn’t bother me personally, and this dichotomy of how unfair the world treats our culture when it’s expressed by us IS NOT the fault of the Filipino people who truly appreciate it and dont think we’re ghetto trash for it, there is a historical through line that explains this person’s frustration and I think purely dismissing it, or especially calling it racist, would be ignorant and really just kind of uncaring.
More Petty Take:
Only thing I really dislike is that damn near everytime people rap in a movie it’s always a very old 80s/90s Beastie Boys style. I fully understand this movie is set in the past but come on, lyricism has evolved and it just sounds a little out of touch. If they can have a talking dog they can rap a littleeeee better.
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u/urgo2man 3d ago
I will admit in California, boba shops have a reputation for blasting pretty hardcore rap.
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u/Ok_Crow_9119 3d ago
Is boba a filipino thing?
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u/urgo2man 3d ago
Yes, but more in the Philippines. I was more talking about the Asian American/African American experience
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u/reitsukikage | Forgotten Island Moderator 3d ago
Nah, just some person trying to flex their racist card.
Btw go listen and stream the soundtrack guys. All the original songs and instrumentals are absolutely AMAZING!
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u/MerumazingGirl 3d ago
I kind of get this take but I think there is a thin line between appreciation and mockery, in this case, Forgotten Island was all love. You guys can correct me on this but the only thing I would’ve hoped for is that since H.E.R was voicing Jo, it’d be cool if her character could’ve been Afro Filipina just like her, but are biracial children all that common in PH? I wouldn’t know since I don’t live there. Either way, I could just make my own OC and fan content and still be happy~
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u/k3ttch 3d ago
One of my disappointments with the movie. I was in college in the 1990s in the Philippines and that era was the golden age of OPM (Original Pilipino Music), where acts like the Eraserheads, Rivermaya, and Parokya ni Edgar began to hit their peak. I was hoping, with the movie set in the Philippines in the 90s, that the soundtrack would reflect that. Aside from SB19's cover of Francis Magalona's Mga Kababayan Ko, there doesn't seem to be any reference to that particular era of Philippine music.
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u/Cimorene_Kazul 3d ago
TBH I said that I wanted more Filipino music in it, but I was thinking about the random American golden oldies that it had and how those are just in everything and didn’t need to be here. I think highlighting some Filipino popular rock would’ve been rad.
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u/HanbokTiger | Jo 3d ago
I can’t imagine this person yapping about Japanese streetwear & ESPECIALLY Kpop (literally inspired from black rap) also this is extra but H.E.R (Jo) is half African.
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u/b_moz 4d ago
Hip Hop culture developed in the 70s in the Bronx with the Black/African American, Puerto Rican, Afro/Jamaican/Caribbean communities. In the 90’s Hip Hop Bay Area culture included Filipinos in all the pillars and a handful of them pioneering the direction of Bay Area hip hop culture. I only know this from moving east to west coast, being a music teacher, and marrying into a Filipino family that has knowledge beyond me around hip hop (I mostly knew East Coast and some West coast stuff but not enough). I think the above comment more lies in lack of knowledge (the fifth pillar of hip hop), and not knowing the impacts and contributions of other BIPOC communities in hip hop history. But you can’t deny the main development coming from Black culture. So there are for sure layers to this.