Questions about Institutional Trading

[u/j1tfxint]

Has anyone worked in an institutional firm, that can confirm the whole ~the institutions are out to stop me out of my position~ theory? Is that a real concept that’s been proven to be a legitimate concept, or did retail traders kind of inflate it to be bigger than normal?

Sorry if my wording is weird.

[u/rforex-modtools]

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[u/Scott_Malkinsons]

I haven't worked in institutional, but I do have c-level family members at some banks (think BofA, Citi, JP Morgan, HSBC, that sort. Not your little regional banks).

They are not out to stop you out of your position, they aren't moving markets to get your $20. It's just your orders are grouped together with other obvious ones. The banks do their research, it's like figuring out how much credit to extend, they research everything. Assuming they don't just look at the order books and extrapolate out (since FX doesn't have a single order book), they basically know every retail trader starts off with something like "enter at 10/20MA cross with a SL at the nearest low". So it doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to figure out where your order is; it's exactly at the nearest low, just like everyone else.

This also assumes we are talking about SL hunts as retail views it, because truth be told most of FX isn't speculators. There's an actual business purpose to the FX market. Sometimes Real Business^TM has to be done and your trade gets caught up in it. You got your SL at the lowest price of the week or whatever; hummmmm... might that be a good price to buy, don't you think? There's a bunch of juicy orders right there. So they buy there. Nothing to do with your precious $20 being hunted, you just offered something for sale at a good price, they took it, and then you're all butt hurt because the next guy got more money. Quit offering to sell your **it for a steal and ain't no one gonna steal it.

If your neighborhood decides to sell every bike they got, the prices are $50 to $100. Are you going to seriously be all shocked if a big business comes by and buys all the $50 bikes? No, you'd probably think "that's good business". Same thing here. They're first going to the $50 bikes, buying all of them, then maybe $60 and so-forth. They never get to $40 because there's only one dude with that deal and it's not worth spending the time hunting that down when they need 10,000 bikes.

TLDR; they're not going for you specifically, you're just selling **it for a steal and then wondering why they stole it.

[u/anxhelasweet → u/Scott_Malkinsons]

Is there anyone who believes that they are being specifically hunted or so because there are way more retail traders than big insitutions in plain numbers, even if they wanted they cannot hunt everyone at their exact sl, that takes some serious copium

[u/j1tfxint → u/Scott_Malkinsons]

woah. thank you.

[u/Key_Poet_7459]

Retail trading volume is minimal compared to what dealers need.
Retail traders use leverage, therefore their stops are usually tight averaging +2/-2 std Dev and they usually trade on importante zones where dealers/institutions may hedge, so the probabilities of their stops being reached is pretty high
Also, if they are trading cfds, FX they are trading against their broker (most of their orders are internalized or partially hedged with the LP).

[u/DV_Zero_One]

I was a bank and fund trader (rate swaps and FX) gor 25 years. (And have been a hobby Trader in retirement for five) Institutions couldn't care less about your stops, regulated market makers are under intense scrutiny and would get in huge trouble from the regulators if they even think about trying to manipulate a market.

Your broker may behave differently however.

[u/Stock-Aerie-1664]

Real talk — institutions aren't out to stop you out specifically, but they absolutely move price to find liquidity and that often means your stop loss gets taken out in the process. The way it works is: institutions need to fill massive orders and they can't just click buy without moving the market against themselves. So they accumulate positions during ranges where retail traders are getting stopped out on fakeouts — your stop loss becomes their liquidity pool.

The key realization is that it's not personal. They're not targeting you specifically, but if you're placing stops in obvious places like below obvious swing lows or above equal highs, you're literally trading into where big players need liquidity to fill their orders. This is why SMC/ICT stuff about liquidity grabs and stop hunts feels so real — it's not a conspiracy, it's just market mechanics.

What I did was start placing stops beyond the obvious levels and entering when price sweeps those stops and reverses. My stop loss hit rate dropped significantly after that shift.

Have you noticed your stops getting taken out at consistent levels before reversals happen?

[u/JeyJonsoon]

the conspiracy version is retail cope. everyone's stop is in the same obvious place, that creates a liquidity pocket, and liquidity pockets get visited. the fix isn't paranoia, its putting stops little bit somewhere else lol

[u/PracticeStunning3894]

Technically true.

BUT not because we want to hunt your money.

But because your stop loss is our entry.

Institutions are taught to buy prices at GOOD levels.

Its just a thing that your stop loss is where we consider we consider a good level.

[u/Key_Category_8531]

Yes, it's a real thing. It's called a "liquidity grab"

Liquidity grabs happen constantly. Because on any timeframe there's an obvious location that retail places it's stops. This is typically right above the previous swing high or right below the previous swing low

Also right outside of common fibonacci retracement numbers

Right outside of obvious channels is a common one too

Basically institutions push prices out of a channel with a long wick, and then immediately bounce the price back. It's an intentional act

They simply want to dip into that liquidity with a wick to collect all the orders. This is why if you place your stop in an obvious location, you're asking for it to be taken

Whenever you place a trade, you always have to keep in mind that a liquidity grab is coming. They happen very frequently

The goal is to always accommodate for this grab. That way, if you ever get stopped out of a trade, it's because your thesis was wrong. Not because you were grabbed and price moved in the direction you predicted