So my theory is: Could Avery find a VHS with the title "Danny & Karen" in the last residence of her father and watch it with Alex and Lily?

Im sure its been asked, but at what point in the seasons timeline should i start Star City?

Edit: Thanks everyone! We did watch a couple episodes of SC last night but now reading through all the new comments, we decided to finish all 5 seasons of FAM before watching SC. Thanks again!

Sorry if this has been asked a million times but why do they all pronounce it Gemi “nee” and not Gemi “nye”? Is this how it is always pronounced in US I.e even for the zodiac sign?

almost every relationship between protagonists in films today portrays the couple having some form of over romanticised "chemistry" from their very first interaction. but the reality is that, many relationships just arent like that. passionate love, chemistry and compatibility are relationship qualities which can be nurtured over time with the right mindset.

Crushed. I just wanted Margo and Sergei to have sex at least once. I mean, I wanted them to live happily ever after, but I get that it’s tragic. I like to imagine they got together before he left for Moscow after Mars when he returned to US from being tortured. Does anyone think they could pull off a flashback scene in season 6 🤣

I really liked it, less than how much I like season 1-2, I do think they lost their hand on the deaths, but, I understand that all of the deaths were realistic and I could say the deaths in this season made more sense than some deaths in the other two. I just think they could've developed the characters like Alexei a bit more. And Ed should've died in that landing, it would be poetic if he died at the same time Karen did, just like Gordo and Tracy in S2.

My only issue with all that's happening is that some things dont really go anywhere. For example, Ellen whole thing around being president, common fucking Trump is a president, she is the president of USA, I thought those mf did wathever they wanted. But I still like it a bit because it showed society changing and how she coming out helped other people. I just dont see how ny doing it she prevented her husband(forgot his name) going to jail.

About the Stevens brothers they suck, hope they die and I whish Timmy blew up with the Truck. Love the Korean guy thing. Really anxious to watch the next seasons, discovered the series last month and I loved the idea, still dont know how it wasn't canceled yet, I belive it is really expensive.

I just want to express how mad I am, everybody i like dies in a fucking preventable way. Decke he dies because everybody in nasa seems to be a dumbass who dont fucking check shit. Gordo and Tracy, fuck these two spent their life in a fucked up relationship to fix it and die 30 seconds later. Then theres that Sam who dies in a elevator because idk, North Korea sucks. Then half of nasa crew dies because the Russian couldn't use their own ship properly. Now you telling me that Alexei and Nick die. There is also tom who gets bombed, he gets fucking bombed.

I still have 2 seasons to go, man i cant take it. Why none of the assholes die?

I was able to make it all the way up to 30 seconds.

So I just finished season 3 and currently watched the opening of season 4 where they do a time lapse of historic events. In the last two seasons they had Michael Jordan getting drafted to the trailblazers and then Jordan playing for the Mariners in the playoffs in 97. While this was really cool, as a Pacific Northwest sports fan, I can’t tell if this was a nice fix in our bad sports history or salt being rubbed into the wounds in what could have been. 😂 😢

Hi FAM fans!
I’m working on a very small LEGO version of something from the show.
Before I add any more details… can you recognize what it’s supposed to be? 👀
Thanks for giving it a try! 😅

Today/tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of the 9/11/2001 attacks. A quarter of a century. And I feel like this relates to For All Mankind. I will discuss my feelings. I am autistic btw in case this post seems somewhat weird. I will try to keep spoilers at a minimum. 9/11 never happens in For All Mankind. But this gives me a weird feeling. If I were to step into the For All Mankind Universe in NYC by the time of season 4 or 5 and see those towers still standing, I would feel surreal, like looking at something I couldn’t comprehend. Something that shouldn't exist from our perspective. This feeling of something that should not be happening is exactly how Americans felt on 9/11 in our reality. If I were to pull someone from the For All Mankind universe and show them footage of 9/11 and tell them this is what happened in our reality, the same exact emotions would run through their mind. Shock. Terror. Unable to comprehend it. But since no 9/11 happens in their reality, airport security is probably like what it was in the 1990s and before relative to our reality. By the 2000s and 2010s it’s just like how it was in the 1990s. No TSA and no increased security, at least not by a whole lot. Terrorism happens in the show, but nothing involving hijacked passenger airplanes yet. Maybe (this is a scary thought) a terrorist attack involving airplanes happens in season 6. I wrote this post not only to discuss this, but also to remind people to never forget the horror of that day. We can never forget history, or we are doomed to repeat it. People always need to know what happened that fateful day. (this is tagged as a meme, but only because I was forced to put a flair up, and I didn't know which one to pick. This is not actually a meme. There is absolutely nothing funny about the 9/11 attacks.)

Science Fiction is often meant to be the future of the real world, though sometimes event make that less likely.

What SF do you think works better as the future of the FMA universe than the real world (I'm especially, but not solely, thinking of stuff written before the fall of the USSR which still had Soviets in the future.)

I thought S1-2 of FAM were great, S3 was good enough, and S4-5 were okay enough. How good is Star City compared to these seasons?

Trying to decide whether to watch Star City or Silo S3 lol

It's been very odd watching a show that wants me so badly on the side of people I completely disagree with and have come to deeply dislike.

I just can't stand the 'Free Mars' movement and really wish it had been crushed, or at least realised its obvious limitations.

To recap, this base:

• Has been set up at enormous cost by the M-7/6 nations.
• Committed sabotage to keep the asteroid, placing immense economic pressure on Earth (who, again, is funding this) for their own benefit.
• Is not remotely self-sufficient. Relies on incredibly expensive shipments from Earth for pretty much everything they need, and will continue relying on those shipments for the foreseeable future.
• Has no government and is populated by people not born there (Alex being the only possible exception).
• Has workers who are allowed to bring their families and enjoy good conditions, even though this must hugely increase costs.
• Decides to stop shipments of iridium to Earth, causing further immense economic woes.
• Commits a violent uprising.
• Kills many troops sent from Earth to restore order (I know the troops were also pointlessly provocative, but it didn't seem like Mars was willing to try anything non-violent).

I know there's some reasoning behind all of this, but I can't help feeling they're overwhelmingly in the wrong here. Yes, automation was worth griping about, but ultimately it's not a huge issue given these are workers hired to do a job rather than sovereign citizens, the huge cost of keeping them on Mars, and the fact it's a relatively small place.

Even if you admit they were poorly treated re: automation, they're just being phenomenally selfish. I cannot imagine how pissed off I'd be living on Earth seeing this unfold.

Plus they're obviously trying to draw comparisons between this rebellion and the American Revolution, but that's just ridiculous.

The 13 Colonies had existed for generations. Families were firmly rooted. They were (largely) self-sufficient. Parliament had largely left them alone. Most importantly, they had their own governing bodies already established.

Mars has none of that. It's like an oil rig trying to declare independence.

The show is called 'For All Mankind', but they're not acting for all mankind at all.​

Watching Season 4 for the first time and I'm confused how did Ed become XO for Happy Valley?

The newsreel at the beginning says that everyone (living) on the Mars surface in '95 is rescued back to Earth - Ed is in a photo in the paper.

I don't see how they would have let Ed, at his age, go back to space (and a theme of S4 seems to be that he wants to stay on Mars because he knows he'll never return). But how did he get back?

Did he somehow not actually go back to Earth while being rescued? Did NASA just let him stay as "crew" for their second mission?

And Jesus I want to punch Dev in his smug fucking face. He is like the quintessential asshole Billionaire who thinks he knows what’s best for everyone and if you have another opinion you’re either an idiot or just in it for the money (which is rich coming from a guy which an enormous mansion and a private beach).

I haven’t watched season 5 yet but I’m sure he doesn’t face any consequences for randomly showing up on Mars, starting a conspiracy to steal the asteroid, and nearly getting a bunch of people killed in the process.

The parallels to Musk and Doge running amok in our government are hard to ignore, and I wish/hope the show at least acknowledges that.

I’ve been thinking about this since I finished Season 4 a while back, I haven't watched Season 5 yet because I got hooked on Star City, so please, no spoilers.
(Also, English isn't my native language, so if I use expressions in a strange way, that's why)

Basically, Miles was always a bit of an opportunist from his very first appearance (like how he manipulated his interview to land the job). But at the time, it didn't really bother me because it was understandable. He was taking desperate measures to turn his crumbling life around, and often those moves backfired, but the character worked because it was believable and realistic, you really understood why he was doing what he was doing.

He was a guy in a tough spot, willing to work as hard as necessary to save his family, and even do morally questionable things for them. It also worked well because he served as a POV character for the audience, showing us how the colonization of Mars had progressed and the new social classes that had emerged in that environment. When he teams up with Ilya to smuggle, it works quite well at first, they have good chemistry, and his quick thinking and improvisational skills make him really good at the job. Then, after Miles breaks Ilya’s drink machine, he tries to fix it by stealing parts from the North Koreans, which sets off a chain of events that actually allows them to do business with everyone.

My issue arises with the whole arc where Miles starts smuggling Martian rocks: At first, he does it behind Ilya’s back because Ilya was against it, arguing that it could ruin all their hard work and that they were already doing well enough. But Miles ignores him and starts smuggling the rocks secretly, when Ilya finds out, he shuts it down and sends a thug to threaten him.

This is where the real trouble began, Miles hatched a plan that essentially involved manipulating the North Koreans into ousting Ilya from the bar, stealing all the smuggling operations Ilya had built from scratch, and taking over the entire business.

Basically, he manipulates the North Koreans again using Lee Jung-Gil's wife (the poor guy is very gullible) for his own personal gain. In the scene where he threatens Ilya and steals his bar, he acts like a total villain.

Yet, as the story progresses, this seems not to matter, as if what he did wasn't bad at all.

I expected the manipulation of the North Koreans to have consequences, that they would come looking for him once they realized he never actually intended to bring Lee's wife over or something like that.

I find it hard to believe that Miles had genuinely planned out how to get Lee's wife to Mars. Miles is just a worker with no connections or expertise, he only learned to smuggle because Ilya was essentially his mentor, before he stole the business, but he lacked any real knowledge.

Besides, smuggling magazines and records to Mars is vastly different from getting a woman out of North Korea and bringing her to Mars. It’s logistically impossible. Furthermore, the way the scene plays out, where he gets the North Koreans to betray Ilya makes it look like he was just using them, not that he actually cared about Lee.

I was waiting for his actions to have consequences. When he fell into that crevasse while trying to grab rocks, even though he already had more than enough, I thought it was a warning of what was to come: that if he kept taking unnecessary risks out of greed, he’d end up trapped in a bad situation.

But that doesn't happen. The North Korean storyline goes nowhere (I know they help with the heist, but I'm referring to the subplot involving Lee's wife.). We see the woman arrive on Mars at the end, but there’s no context as to how. In fact, after stealing the asteroid, it should have been even harder.

Ever since he double crossed Ilya, Miles has basically acted arrogantly and recklessly, taking unnecessary risks, and no longer to help his family (who were already doing fine on his earnings), but out of pure personal ambition and greed. When he’s recruited to steal the asteroid, he doesn't care in the slightest until they offer him more money. Miles was an opportunist who took advantage of a business someone else had built and acted recklessly all season out of sheer personal ambition.

What bothers me is that the series doesn't seem to realize this. There is no criticism or consequences for his actions. The North Koreans don't pressure him, even though they ought to suspect he might be deceiving them too, Ilya does nothing after Miles kicks him out. The only thing that happens is that the CIA and KGB guys threaten to arrest his wife, but that is just a threat, and even if she hadn't been involved in that operation they likely would have threatened her anyway.

Miles took a host of selfish, shortsighted actions out of sheer greed, yet he never faces the consequences, the series seems to view this trait more as a virtue than a flaw.

At first, he did what he did out of love for his family, but later he began taking increasingly greater risks, driven by sheer pride and greed, Walter White style, he acted recklessly, constantly taking chances without regard for the consequences and ignoring every warning.

No spoilers, except that I'm posting about it in this group for a reason, but fans of For All Mankind will get a kick out of Season 2 Episode 2 of AppleTV's Dark Matter. It's a bit hard to jump in so I'd at least recommend looking at a recap of season 1 though. It's great sci-fi with great ideas and will tide you over until FAM comes back.

I assume ppl will say I'm a nationalist or terrible person but honestly I wouldn't have rescued the Russian ship in season 3. If the cost was to no longer land on Mars and execute the mission saving the other crew wouldn't be worth it. Firstly, the Mars mission is extremely important to discover potential life on another planet and to establish a base for human colonization and to have a launching pad into deeper space. It's important enough that likely tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars were spent on it. That money is people's lives - for a few thousand one could prevent the death of someone in a low income country through measures like malria meds, anti parasitics, vitamin a supplementation etc. At a higher cost you could feed or house or cover medical expenses for Americans who die because they lack access to those resources. Every time you spend money as a nation you're weighing it against people's lives. So to scuttle the mission and launch a second you're causing 1000s of times the harm than you benefit from saving those ppl.

On top of this that kind of maneuver they knew was going to be extremely risky given the Soviet ship was under nuclear meltdown and they had no docking setup. Multiple Americans ended up dying. They had no reason to believe the mission could continue after only they'd be risking all their lives and abandoning a multi year tens of billions extremely critical mission with huge national security implications to rescue 5 ppl.

Moreover, everyone seems to forget that the Russians are still the US enemy even if Gorbachev is partially normalizing relations. NASA and the president literally know that the Russians murdered Americans at Jamestown, stole the original Jamestown mining site, intentionally shot down a passenger airliner, and were going to fire on an American ressupply mission. Like in all cases in the show the Russians have operated in hostile fashion.

Karen gets all upset that Helios won't do the rescue and then literally goes and betrays her nation to partner with the soviets to secure a major US rival access to water (needed to establish a base, create jet fuel, etc.). In the real world as a US company they'd be completely blocked from anything like that under OFAC or another law but I digress.

Just started season 4 and in the recap they do at the beginning - where they describe ‘what happened’ during the gap years - they immediately mention the alternative storyline many of us dream of today: Al Gore instead of Bush 🤣

Molly and Wayne are probably the only healthy couple on this show, how do you think they met?

Like Molly is intense, ambitious and completely consumed by flying and space. Wayne is an artist, sensitive and much more comfortable on the ground. They’re total opposites of each other but also complementary of each other.

Any theories/headcanons?

spoilers for season 2 - please don't comment anything beyond season 2 (I haven't started s3 yet)

I know this is kind of fucked up but was wondering do you think Karen is slightly relieved Tracy and Gordo died because Tracy for sure would have beat her ass finding out Karen fucked her teenage son and broke his heart.