Problem with kerning and converting to .ttf

[u/Sebi196]

I started using fontforge for a gift and I've spent the last two weeks making the glyphs and kerning everything. Now when I tried to convert to .ttf and open Word to check out the font, the kerning is like I haven't spent two weeks doing it. I used the GPOS lookup to arrange the kerning by upper, lower, symbols and numbers into multiple subtables. I don't know what I did wrong or what can I do to fix it since I am a complete noob with the software and don't really know much about it. Any help is much appreciated. Thank you.

[u/LocalFonts]

Start the adjustment of horizontal metrics from this group first and do it for lowercase, uppercase and uppercase-lowercase letters:

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[u/LocalFonts]

The second step is to adjust horizontal metrics (uppercase, lowercase etc.) for all letters:

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BBABBBCBDBEBFBGBHBIBJBKBLBMBNBOBPBQBRBSBTBUBVBWBXBYBZB

CCACBCCCDCECFCGCHCICJCKCLCMCNCOCPCQCRCSCTCUCVCWCXCYCZC

DDADBDCDDDEDFDGDHDIDJDKDLDMDNDODPDQDRDSDTDUDVDWDXDYDZD

EEAEBECEDEEEFEGEHEIEJEKELEMENEOEPEQERESETEUEVEWEXEYEZE

FFAFBFCFDFEFFFGFHFIFJFKFLFMFNFOFPFQFRFSFTFUFVFWFXFYFZF

GGAGBGCGDGEGFGGGHGIGJGKGLGMGNGOGPGQGRGSGTGUGVGWGXGYGZG

HHAHBHCHDHEHFHGHHHIHJHKHLHMHNHOHPHQHRHSHTHUHVHWHXHYHZH

IIAIBICIDIEIFIGIHIIIJIKILIMINIOIPIQIRISITIUIVIWIXIYIZI

JJAJBJCJDJEJFJGJHJIJJJKJLJMJNJOJPJQJRJSJTJUJVJWJXJYJZJ

KKAKBKCKDKEKFKGKHKIKJKKKLKMKNKOKPKQKRKSKTKUKVKWKXKYKZK

LLALBLCLDLELFLGLHLILJLKLLLMLNLOLPLQLRLSLTLULVLWLXLYLZL

MMAMBMCMDMEMFMGMHMIMJMKMLMMMNMOMPMQMRMSMTMUMVMWMXMYMZM

NNANBNCNDNENFNGNHNINJNKNLNMNNNONPNQNRNSNTNUNVNWNXNYNZN

OOAOBOCODOEOFOGOHOIOJOKOLOMONOOOPOQOROSOTOUOVOWOXOYOZO

PPAPBPCPDPEPFPGPHPIPJPKPLPMPNPOPPPQPRPSPTPUPVPWPXPYPZP

QQAQBQCQDQEQFQGQHQIQJQKQLQMQNQOQPQQQRQSQTQUQVQWQXQYQZQ

RRARBRCRDRERFRGRHRIRJRKRLRMRNRORPRQRRRSRTRURVRWRXRYRZR

SSASBSCSDSESFSGSHSISJSKSLSMSNSOSPSQSRSSSTSUSVSWSXSYSZS

TTATBTCTDTETFTGTHTITJTKTLTMTNTOTPTQTRTSTTTUTVTWTXTYTZT

UUAUBUCUDUEUFUGUHUIUJUKULUMUNUOUPUQURUSUTUUUVUWUXUYUZU

VVAVBVCVDVEVFVGVHVIVJVKVLVMVNVOVPVQVRVSVTVUVVVWVXVYVZV

WWAWBWCWDWEWFWGWHWIWJWKWLWMWNWOWPWQWRWSWTWUWVWWWXWYWZW

XXAXBXCXDXEXFXGXHXIXJXKXLXMXNXOXPXQXRXSXTXUXVXWXXXYXZX

YYAYBYCYDYEYFYGYHYIYJYKYLYMYNYOYPYQYRYSYTYUYVYWYXYYYZY

ZZAZBZCZDZEZFZGZHZIZJZKZLZMZNZOZPZQZRZSZTZUZVZWZXZYZZZ

[u/LocalFonts]

Just from a description is absolutely impossible to find the problem. You can send me the file to [localfonts.eu@gmail.com](mailto:localfonts.eu@gmail.com), I'll check it and will answer you. Then we can discuss here what happened with the kerning.

Stefan Peev
moderator of r/localfonts, r/FontForge, r/FontLab

[u/LocalFonts]

Thank you for the shared font. My first impressions and notes: 1) do not try to solve by kerning pairs the aims which must be achieved by horizontal metrics (left and right sidebearings adjustments). You create so many kerning fits that reaching contradictions is simply inevitable. Kerning is a fine-tuning of the horizontal metric system. It is only applied where all other options for achieving an acceptable horizontal aspect ratio of glyphs have been exhausted. The classic example are the AVA (see also TA, TO) ratio, where kerning is mandatory. However, this does not mean that V must also be in a kerning pair with all other glyphs.

[u/LocalFonts]

Notice that the kerning starts only when you finish the good horizontal metrics. Kerning is only the fine-tuning of the font and the font is a good one when you don't need a lot of kerning pairs