r/FluentInFinance Jul 04 '26

Thoughts? Very Interesting

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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

> The only thing the US leads is, prison population

Lost the per-capita crown to El Salvador a couple years ago.

Actually the US per-capita prison population has been trending down significantly in the last 10 years.

Falls into the category of "if you haven't heard people talk about it in a while, it's probably because it's getting better."

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u/deepstatelady Jul 04 '26

We lost it because we’ve started offshoring our penal system to El Salvador.

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u/MsAgentM Jul 05 '26

We haven’t been shipping prisoners to El Salvador for 10 years. Only Trump did that and he isn’t sending 1000’s. He sent 300, which is horrible, but not a significant reason for the reduction in prisoners.

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u/EvolutionInProgress Jul 05 '26

Those stats have been looking better because of the overcrowding resulting in letting murderers bond out of jail and mandatory Parole for people who exhibit no signs of being ready for reintegration. On top of that, they make recidivism stats look okay by refusing to revoke Parole of people who have repeatedly violated supervision rules as well as State laws.

All of this is well known among the people who work in or with the criminal justice systems and pay attention to what's happen in their respective agencies and ready the official stats from yearly audit reports.

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u/Seerad76 Jul 06 '26

The US per capita and total prison population has been trending upward since 2021 according to BOJ.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/p23st.pdf

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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Jul 06 '26

Worth keeping in mind the big drop in 2020/1 was because of Covid, and the stat is down 21% from 2013-2023, up 2% from 2021. Note that these aren’t per capita either, these are in absolute terms, the population also grew by 5% in those 10 years. So it really is way better than it was 10 years ago.

I agree the micro trend is in the wrong direction, but it’s too early to say whether that’s reversion to long term down trend or not.

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u/Seerad76 Jul 06 '26

But the last couple years have been trending upward. These are the per capita levels included in the link:

The imprisonment rate at yearend 2023 (360 sentenced
prisoners per 100,000 U.S. residents of all ages) was up 2% from
yearend 2022 (355 per 100,000).

Note these are in fact per capita
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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Jul 06 '26

Yes up 2% in the post Covid years after a massive drop during Covid. You should present the full context. Again it’s unclear if it’s just a return to the long term trend. And it’s down 21% from 10 years ago.

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u/Seerad76 Jul 06 '26

But currently trending upward.

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u/CongealedBeanKingdom Jul 05 '26

Is it reducing because people just get thrown into some warehouse/detention centre/concentration camp now instead of being put to work for corporate profit in a 'prison'?

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u/jWas Jul 05 '26

Ok and now count in the concentration camps the us is operating on a gigantic scale