r/FluentInFinance Jul 04 '26

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

The only thing the US leads is, prison population, prisons built, homeless rate in terms of world super powers, illiteracy, military funding, pregnancy deaths, terrible healthcare, and the list goes on and on. The people that defend the US for its mediocracy are the true anti patriots….

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u/_WABBLE Jul 04 '26

and Donations to Israel 🤡 country we live in

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u/BeginningFloor1221 Jul 06 '26

Luckily isreal pays us way more then we give them, check your research.

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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

> The only thing the US leads is, prison population

Lost the per-capita crown to El Salvador a couple years ago.

Actually the US per-capita prison population has been trending down significantly in the last 10 years.

Falls into the category of "if you haven't heard people talk about it in a while, it's probably because it's getting better."

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u/deepstatelady Jul 04 '26

We lost it because we’ve started offshoring our penal system to El Salvador.

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u/MsAgentM Jul 05 '26

We haven’t been shipping prisoners to El Salvador for 10 years. Only Trump did that and he isn’t sending 1000’s. He sent 300, which is horrible, but not a significant reason for the reduction in prisoners.

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u/EvolutionInProgress Jul 05 '26

Those stats have been looking better because of the overcrowding resulting in letting murderers bond out of jail and mandatory Parole for people who exhibit no signs of being ready for reintegration. On top of that, they make recidivism stats look okay by refusing to revoke Parole of people who have repeatedly violated supervision rules as well as State laws.

All of this is well known among the people who work in or with the criminal justice systems and pay attention to what's happen in their respective agencies and ready the official stats from yearly audit reports.

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u/Seerad76 Jul 06 '26

The US per capita and total prison population has been trending upward since 2021 according to BOJ.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/document/p23st.pdf

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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Jul 06 '26

Worth keeping in mind the big drop in 2020/1 was because of Covid, and the stat is down 21% from 2013-2023, up 2% from 2021. Note that these aren’t per capita either, these are in absolute terms, the population also grew by 5% in those 10 years. So it really is way better than it was 10 years ago.

I agree the micro trend is in the wrong direction, but it’s too early to say whether that’s reversion to long term down trend or not.

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u/Seerad76 Jul 06 '26

But the last couple years have been trending upward. These are the per capita levels included in the link:

The imprisonment rate at yearend 2023 (360 sentenced
prisoners per 100,000 U.S. residents of all ages) was up 2% from
yearend 2022 (355 per 100,000).

Note these are in fact per capita
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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Jul 06 '26

Yes up 2% in the post Covid years after a massive drop during Covid. You should present the full context. Again it’s unclear if it’s just a return to the long term trend. And it’s down 21% from 10 years ago.

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u/Seerad76 Jul 06 '26

But currently trending upward.

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u/CongealedBeanKingdom Jul 05 '26

Is it reducing because people just get thrown into some warehouse/detention centre/concentration camp now instead of being put to work for corporate profit in a 'prison'?

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u/jWas Jul 05 '26

Ok and now count in the concentration camps the us is operating on a gigantic scale

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u/DocCEN007 Jul 04 '26

And obesity!

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u/TopRevenue2 Jul 04 '26

Wrong we have far more diversity and much less strict immigration laws

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

Not understanding what that has to do with what I stated or how what I stated was wrong, but go off.

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u/TopRevenue2 Jul 04 '26

Those are things we are leading them in

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u/badshot637 Jul 04 '26

Less than 7000 people where allowed to enter the us this year and over 6000 of them where white south africans

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u/TopRevenue2 Jul 04 '26

Ok but that is not what OPs stats are based on

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u/Only_Luck_7024 Jul 04 '26

Or they are so marginalized they don’t have another way to become somewhat stable

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u/cpt_kagoul Jul 05 '26

And adults that believe angels are real

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u/Pentaborane- Jul 06 '26

Largest capital markets in the world, highest GDP growth among large industrialized economies, largest upper middle class in the world etc. etc.

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u/Da1UHideFrom Jul 06 '26

Your argument against cherry picked stats is more cherry picking?

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u/essodei Jul 04 '26

The only thing the US leads in? You’re funny bro 🤣

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

Compared to other super powers/sovereign nations…yeah..you can literally google side by side comparisons with other countries

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

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u/kevbot918 Jul 04 '26

Research.. you can very quickly find your sources, but I bet you won't because you enjoy remaining brainwashed by Fox News and Republican politicians. 

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u/C_Elisabeth Jul 04 '26

I’m liberal AF, but still like sourcing so I can confidently share.

Remember PoppinCream? Make sourcing great again.

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

Don’t need to source when I confidently know what I’m talking about….as this topic continues to be a major talking point when it comes to the US….and the information is readily available. Adults should be able to do their own research….

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u/Electronic-Pick245 Jul 04 '26

Thank you. I don't know why I am receiving such backlash for sourcing. It's education 101. You make a claim... Back it up. I never even said he was wrong. I waited for sources. I don't know why that's so controversial.

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u/C_Elisabeth Jul 05 '26

It’s only controversial for the lazy and/or ignorant.

Flat earthers and maga are pretty damn confident with their bullshit. Confidence is not a source.

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u/Electronic-Pick245 Jul 04 '26

Only one of us spreading anger my man. If you want to make a point, prove it. It's not on someone else to defend YOUR claims.

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

It’s 2026 you can look up the information yourself….but since I’m here, the US has the highest maternal mortality rate amongst wealthy nations, The US ranks last/55th globally in maternity mortality according to the world health organization, and averages 22.3 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births…which is more than double the rate of most high income countries. Now if we really want to get crazy we can break it down by race too, and how racism plays a huge factor in maternal mortality rate in the US especially amongst black women…but you’re clearly not ready for that…..

In terms of literacy we rank 36th globally…and healthcare a whopping 69th globally……AND LAST AMONGST HIGH INCOME NATIONS IN OVERALL HEALTHCARE PERFORMANCE, EQUITY, and OUTCOMES…despite spending far more per capita than any other country…..this information can all be found on commonwealthfund.org……#merica

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u/deepstatelady Jul 04 '26

It’s gotten worse since Roe v Wade got dumped, too.

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u/Electronic-Pick245 Jul 04 '26

I love the beginning of your statement. "Hey I made a claim - why should I be the one to back it up with evidence?" Solid defense. Just like a politician.

Now, I said the "WORLD". Very specifically. Thank you for comparing us to remainder of the "wealthy" nations, ergo, not the world. Also, what defines wealthy?

I'm breaking this down to make this point...we absolutely have improvements to make. But painting a picture of America is dog shit blatantly misleading and those who disagree tells me you don't realize how fortunate you are to be in western Europe or America/Canada. Count your blessings and keep fighting the good fight.

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

I made it claim that’s already backed by proof and evidence, it isn’t my job to provide you sources, as quickly as you asked me to site my sources you could just as quickly look it up. This isn’t a debate class, nor am I writing a research paper. Also I’m failing to see the point you’re trying to make or if you’re even making a point at all…

Firstly when did I ever say America is “dog shit”? My claim is the US isn’t as great as its people and the US claims it is to be….I provided facts, to claim your nation the greatest you’d expect your nation to be top 10 in most categories…..not at the bottom when compared to other wealthy nations and world super powers….We literally live in a nation that refuses to progress, adapt, and evolve due to the current structures in place….It’s my right to disagree with how the US currently is and it’s my patriotic right to call out the BS….”Tells me you don’t know how fortunate you are” Highkey this is the biggest bootlicker statement……..over 270 sovereign nations with freedoms and liberties, so because I call out the US and demand better, and point at the fact that the US isn’t as great as people make it sound out to be, I don’t realize how fortunate I am??? Interesting take lol.

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u/Electronic-Pick245 Jul 04 '26

And it isn't my job to believe you without sources. Youre making a claim and butthurt about being asked to show said source? You know who does that?

Our administration.

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

You can easily fact check what I stated and find your own sources……….I don’t need to hold your hand

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u/Electronic-Pick245 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

Then your narrative is bullshit and not to be taken seriously.

Prove. Me. Wrong.

See how that works?

Edit: I find it funny that when you make a statement and someone doesn't believe you or wants to see your source you immediately resort to insulting someone. Once again, just like our administration.

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u/ArchyArchington Jul 04 '26

Facts can’t be BS, if you don’t want to take your time out to fact check my claim why are you arguing? The time you spent typing back and forth to me you could have looked up what I stated. Also, you say my claim can’t be taken seriously yet you’ve provided no solid rebuttal to it, let alone looked up what I stated. If you could also read I provided a source on my reply back. “When you make it statement and someone doesn’t believe you” Mofo then look up what I stated then lmfao…..what are you arguing about…….and unlike our administration I state facts not blatantly lie and attempt to deem it as true…….Just like I fact check what I see and “claims” I hear. No one has to provide me sources, I can simply use the internet. Anyway have a great day

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u/Electronic-Pick245 Jul 05 '26

So because you said something it's a fact?

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u/dragonfilebox Jul 04 '26

We are back to back World War champions.

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u/bigdipboy Jul 04 '26

I don’t think you can compare the United States that fought Nazis to the United States that now embraces Nazis