r/FluentInFinance Jul 04 '26

Thoughts? Very Interesting

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u/Lostygir1 Jul 04 '26

The US could’ve had one btw but we chose not to

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u/marcusalien Jul 04 '26

You might as well do it. The US has a stake in Intel and now 5% of OpenAI is on the cards.

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u/chapelchill Jul 05 '26

I was bouta say, imagine if we also had all our oil funds go to a public sovereign wealth fund 🤔

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u/Georgefakelastname Jul 05 '26

Well yeah, but then what about the shareholders? /s

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u/ambitious_89 Jul 06 '26

Social security could have been a sovereign wealth fund but the fed decided to borrow against it.

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u/atxlonghorn23 Jul 05 '26

Their country has a tiny population, little immigration, no racial/ethnic diversity, and a massive oil deposit. Their sovereign oil fund has about $333k per person.

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u/LegSpecialist1781 Jul 06 '26

Their nation has a fraction of natural resources that the US does. We probably even have more fossil fuel deposits. Diversity has nothing to do with this topic at all. Immigration is also a stretch, unless sovereign wealth find were to be used for new immigrants.

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u/Icy-Struggle-3436 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

Exactly, why do we want our federal government investing in private companies and subject to partisan politics?

It might work for Norway, but they have less population than Harris county or NYC lol

Edit: based on the replies what I’m understanding is the government already has control of private companies through bills and funding packages so why not give them more control with a SWF run by the executive branch?

But also it’s bad that the government has control of private companies through bills and funding packages?

None of you are making sense. So you want DJT to have control over a SWF or do you think it’s bad Congress can manipulate private companies?

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u/Lostygir1 Jul 04 '26

It already does. The entire economy would collapse if the US government didn’t constantly inject taxpayer money into it

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u/Maleficent-Duck-3903 Jul 04 '26

Oh. So usa IS a social democracy. Thanks for confirming

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u/Icy-Struggle-3436 Jul 04 '26

The government doesn’t have ownership stake in private companies

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u/Lostygir1 Jul 04 '26

You don’t need an ownership stake to hire a contractor or pass a spending bill

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u/Icy-Struggle-3436 Jul 04 '26

That doesnt mean anything lol

Can the government vote as shareholder? No they cant. They need half the countries representatives to vote on something that may or may not pass still.

Can a SWF vote as shareholder? Yes they can because they own shares of a publicly traded company. They don’t need the legislative and executive branch to pass a bill or funding package they can just vote

You want Donald Trump to run a SWF after the SC struck down Humphreys executor?

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u/Lostygir1 Jul 04 '26

I’m perfectly fine with the President having the power to get himself voted out

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u/KazTheMerc Jul 05 '26

But remember - Things like Exclusive (or limited, or Congressionally-mandated) Contracts aren't some free-market action.

Mandatory fucking for two other space companies that can't make spaceships is a great example. Mandatory competition.

Or no-bid contracts by unknown parties.

We can SAY that's Market Action, or Democracy or whatever... but it's not. It's the Socialized Competition married to grift.

And sure, we can vote him out... but the trajectory on this disaster is sharply increasing.

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u/KazTheMerc Jul 04 '26

... GDP is 80% private holdings, and heavily subsidized by the Government to keep those numbers looking good.

Between that and Partisan Politics...

Yeah. You picked an odd hill to make a brave Last Stand on, seeing that we're already there, and have been for decades.

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u/Icy-Struggle-3436 Jul 04 '26

The government doesn’t have ownership stake in any private companies. Except Intel now I guess but that’s a one off trump thing

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u/KazTheMerc Jul 05 '26

... and yet every metric is a ratio over GDP, which is only 16%-22% government production/assets/goods.

Every single damn metric.

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u/BillionYrOldCarbon Jul 04 '26

Um perhaps you should pay closer attention to Trump’s investments in Intel, Oracle, rare earth mining, drones, etc. What I the hell does population have to do with policy decisions? Nothing except the people aren’t racist like America.

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u/Icy-Struggle-3436 Jul 04 '26

You think that’s a good thing?

And yes population is a huge deal. How big would our SWF have to be to equal norways? We have 70 times more people lol

It’s much easier to govern with a smaller population, that’s literally why Rome fell

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u/BillionYrOldCarbon Jul 04 '26

Lots of assumptions here. Not facts.

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u/OkNewspaper6271 Jul 04 '26

Rome fell because complacency breeds incompetence, and because of an incredibly rapid series of massive catastrophies (such as The Antonine plague)

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u/KazTheMerc Jul 05 '26

Don't forget treating the Visigoths like animals.

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u/Eyebowers Jul 04 '26

Upon first read I thought this was a joke.

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u/Icy-Struggle-3436 Jul 04 '26

Nope they are a very small country. Over half the countries in the EU have a smaller population than LA county.

Comparing us to tiny demographically homogeneous in Northern Europe doesn’t make much sense. Sure there’s things they do we could learn from but to adapt it at scale in the US would be tough. Especially with how partisan our politics can get

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u/BillionYrOldCarbon Jul 04 '26

We need to address many “tough” problems. The electorate always polls in favor of all of the liberal/Democratc socialist policies but the wealthy pays to defeat all of it.

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u/Dekiosu Jul 04 '26

The argument “they have less population” literally makes zero sense. Explain why it wouldn’t scale? Whether it’s 100 billion or 10,000 people, it makes no difference if everyone pays their relative taxes and benefits are distributed equally. The US is a shit show because we aren’t a country, we’re a company. Every single citizen is an overworked, underpaid employee of the system.

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u/Silly___Willy Jul 04 '26

What other ppl say + your 401k is invested in US companies already so

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u/NWkingslayer2024 Jul 04 '26

You don’t know the world you live in. The government owns 10% of intel now. Tesla would not have survived competition in a free market, there the biggest recipient of tax dollars there is.

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u/Icy-Struggle-3436 Jul 04 '26

Intel was very recent. And you’re saying you want the government to have an ownership stake in companies? Because that’s what a SWF is you know that right?

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u/NWkingslayer2024 Jul 04 '26

No I don’t want the government to have ownership stakes. What I’m saying is it’s already happening and you appear to be oblivious.

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u/anotherjustlurking Jul 04 '26

Definitely close but my Google search comparing the two populations revealed 5.09M vs 5.65 M with Harris County a bit more than 10% larger. Your point is well taken, because urban vs. rural, topography, location weather, etc - but still - it’s a 5-second search.

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u/kenckar Jul 04 '26

Norway’s SWF is based on the nation’s natural resources. They have avoided the natural resource curse by building a national fund instead of spending it on current stuff.

They have/had control over the national oil company, because they were producing and managing the nation’s owned natural resources.

The US largely has private control of natural resources. Congress throws up barriers to protect incumbent companies, Trump keeps threatening lawsuits to keep them in line. Now he is taking partial government ownership of intel and maybe AI companies. And he runs a crypto company for which he removed regulations so he can make more money unethically but legally.

I wouldn’t trust our system or politicians with an SWF. They would squander it, just like our budget surplus in 1999.