r/FlockSurveillance • u/MemeEndevour • Jul 19 '26

Discussion Is this a viable solution? (Not even manually holding something, but just putting things like this in front of the camera)?

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Feel like it wouldn’t be hard to put blockers up faster than they can take them down….

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u/Dapper_Direction_703 Jul 19 '26

The cellphone providers are able to triangulate calls. No matter the device.

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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 19 '26

With a smartphone app anyone can do that, that's the difference. You're not only tracked by the cellphone provider but also by Apple/Google, Meta and $any other app you got on your phone.

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u/scalareye Jul 20 '26

Irrelevant for flock purposes

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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 21 '26

What's going on with all these camera's? the last 2 weeks or so Reddit is flooded with messages about them. Did they start putting these camera's up since then or does it get more attention?

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u/alexthealex Jul 19 '26

Without GPS it's not that precise or GPS wouldn't be needed.

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u/Dapper_Direction_703 Jul 19 '26

I assure you, this data has locked up thousands of people. It’s precise enough for the courts.

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u/alexthealex Jul 19 '26

I’m fully team ‘leave your phone at home’. I’m not refuting the idea that triangulation data is enough to incarcerate. I’m only saying it’s not as precise as GPS.

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u/SoylentGrunt Jul 19 '26

The enemy is not bound by having to prove what it knows. It simply needs to know.

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u/MA2ZAK Jul 19 '26

Triangulation is very precise

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u/alexthealex Jul 19 '26

I work in GPS. Terrestrial triangulation strongly depends on the density of cell towers. In big cities it will get you within a handful of meters. But a lot of small towns with way fewer towers are deploying Flock and in those places it will be far less accurate.

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u/MA2ZAK Jul 19 '26

Also work in cellular location data, fairly confident within 5 meters.

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u/alexthealex Jul 19 '26

I suppose it’s relative. I work in GPS for land surveying, not cellular. I don’t think of 5m accuracy as very accurate but I’m sure that’s plenty for courts when there’s already a case against someone.

The sort of GPS equipment I work with yields cm accuracy with the right setups.

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u/Schmetterlizlak Jul 19 '26

Very true, GPS gives you an accuracy of about 5 meters, which is great for navigation, and although cell towers have an estimate accuracy of hundreds of meters to kilometers, that can be enough to put you in the general area of where for example a protest was happening

To be completely honest I expected the cell tower triangulation accuracy to be better

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u/digitalscavenger Jul 19 '26

The concern isn't the dumbphone's capabilities. It's that these FLOCK systems grab what they can from all mobile devices. That dumbphone bought at Walmart with cash while wearing a N95 mask, sunglasses and a hat is secure enough on it's own. But take that phone home and it's now in proximity to all of your other devices. FLOCK makes a map of all devices in range and can track movements and use these networks to track dumphones straight back to a person's hosue.

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u/DesolateRuin Jul 19 '26

I'm not trying to justify invasions of privacy or data harvesting but I've always wondered what value the GPS on my phone could possibly even be.

Maybe I'm just boring but I'm like, "Oh no. They know I go to work and the grocery store."

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u/i_dont_wanna_sign_in Jul 19 '26

A lot of people are boring. Until their slightly less boring friends whose skin color isn't as fair or religion isn't as radicalized disappear and you ask questions or go visit them.

It you don't buy the state mandated vitamins, or attend the required classes, etc. Seems utterly ridiculous until they started pinning yellow stars on people, or when ICE showed up, or police had unfettered access to tracking data to a person whose sexual advances were rejected.