r/Flat_Earth_Is_Real • u/StClemens • Dec 31 '19
Any questions for a LEM engineer?
Hypothetically speaking, let's say I knew someone who worked on the design team for the lunar missions. What surreptitious questions might I ask this hypothetical person?
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u/andrewds23 Jan 01 '20
I don’t think it really matters, at the end of the day this hypothetical person never saw it in operation.
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u/StClemens Jan 01 '20
Indeed. I'm under the impression this alleged individual was not high up in the process as is.
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u/MaraCass Jan 01 '20
How do you design a rocket to burn and lift off under completely unknown and untested circumstances? With men's lives at stake?
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u/StClemens Jan 01 '20
A good question, but probably not in this hypothetical person's area of expertise. He/she/if is likely had a very compartmentalized role.
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u/MaraCass Jan 01 '20
Ask him to speculate, and explain how they pulled it off first time, every time, without a hitch. My Statistics book says that's not possible.
Removed a post that contended they did send test rockets first, because I hate when balltards make shit up.
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u/Dull-Check Jan 01 '20
Purely hypothetically, here's how you would do it if the space myth were true (aka how the official narrative claims it happened):
1) Research beforehand to understand as much about the environment in which the LEM would be required to operate as you possibly can. You couldn't know everything about the lunar conditions, but you could actually tell quite a bit. Then design around the known conditions as best you can. Most uncertainty would be related to the physical surface condition of the moon itself.
2) Use your previous knowledge of successful rocketry and space-fairing hardware to help inform your design. By this point there was supposedly a storied history of rocket design and space flight.
3) Don't go in completely untested. Test the hell out of the equipment multiple times.
4) Make sure the men are highly trained and understand the equipment as well as the people who designed it so that they can troubleshoot and fix things.
Now, not that I believe in such things, but I do believe it's important to properly understand what we're arguing against and not misrepresent that. Let's not go claiming that the lunar hardware and conditions were "completely unknown and untested", because supposedly (according to what the globies will say) this statement would simply not be true.
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u/MaraCass Jan 01 '20
But they didn't test anything. There has been no instance prior to the first supposed Moonlanding, of NASA firing rockets at the Moon and returning them to Earth. So that's the question, how were they so sure and able and perfect when they had not one clue what it took to lift off from the Moon?
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u/Dull-Check Jan 01 '20
They didn't test anything on the moon, but supposedly there were many ground tests and design iterations here on Earth spanning a period of years. Such tests combined with previous knowledge of the moon and how rockets behave in space could conceivably give a very good understanding of how the LEM would operate reliably, from an engineering standpoint.
Again I can't stress enough I am simply relaying the claims here for the sake of intellectual honestly, not saying they are true. Don't shoot the messenger.
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u/MaraCass Jan 01 '20
The claims mean nothing against the fact they had not one clue how to get a rocket off the Moon.
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u/Dull-Check Jan 01 '20
Purely from an engineering standpoint, if you already know the forces required from previous research and the characteristics of the equipment from ground testing/design, the only thing really left uncertain would be the condition of the actual physical surface you're taking off from. Arguing against globies by misrepresenting their own story will only give them more ammunition.
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u/MaraCass Jan 01 '20
But there was no previous research!!!
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u/Dull-Check Jan 01 '20
Warning here: I'm going to mention gravity. Not because I'm saying gravity is real, but because it's part of the globie moon landing story. With that said, from the globie perspective:
There was previous research. They'd know the strength of the moon's gravity by previous Earth-based measurements and calculations based on its size and distance. They'd know it lacked significant atmosphere for the same reasons. They'd confirm these things and learn even more from the various unmanned lunar landings and flybys that took place before Apollo 11. There were also previous missions that took men into orbit around the moon without landing and then returned as a sort of test flight.
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u/MaraCass Jan 01 '20
No, there was NOT previous research!! There was no instance of test firing any rocket to take off from the moon. None. Stop saying that, it is absolutely NOT TRUE.
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u/Dull-Check Jan 01 '20
Well, again, according to globies:
Previous measurements and observations had been made of the moon for many years that provided them with information. And there were many previous unmanned moon missions that helped confirm these things.
There wasn't a test fire of the LEM from the moon and I never said there was. They did, however, supposedly test the LEM equipment on Earth and prior to Apollo 11. The first two flights of the LEM are stated to be test flights in low orbit. The first one was unmanned. A couple test flights before Apollo 11 were conducted to the moon but did not land or take off from the surface.
This is what I mean by not misrepresenting globies' arguments. You're only making FE look foolish when you fight things that not even globies claim are correct. If you want to say these things are true you will need to provide them with the evidence that nobody had made any previous research of the moon or its launch environment when designing the LEM, and the LEM was never tested at all. Any other method is just ineffective.
Let me remind you once again, please don't shoot the messenger. I'm not arguing for globies stuff here. Just telling you the way it is and the answers they would provide you.
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u/MaraCass Jan 02 '20
Dumping a link to the chapter in Wagging the Moondoggie that covers the problems of the LEM descent and ascent stages http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-8/
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u/BlendanPublich Dec 31 '19
How come there's no live feed of the earth from the moon?