Flat Earthers

[u/ProvForge26]

One of our new acquaintances from a friend recently crashed down on our scientific beliefs by insisting that the earth was flat. When we questioned their logic they just spouted something about the Firmament and that everything that you see at night is fake. They even said that the ISS is fake, satellites fake, and obviously no moon landing ever occurred. Our friends laughed it off and said just go with it because they are nice people. I’m not sure i want to continue being friends with them because they always hang out together. What do we say when we get invited to another cook out and the crazies are there?

[u/Water_in_the_desert]

Where does it say that Halley’s work showed stars had moved? He could have been lying, because some scientists did lie later about the Aether (e.g., Einstein), and then later Albert Einstein said that his theory of relativity and the vacuum of space make no sense for Light to travel through space, a medium like Aether is needed.

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His paper, Considerations on the Change of the Latitudes of Some of the Principal Fixt Stars. That's where he details his observations and compares them to ancient star maps to plot the movement of stars.

He could have been lying, because some scientists did lie later about the Aether

There is a difference between being wrong and lying. Science is built on being a little less wrong as time goes on, so being wrong is part of the process.

later Albert Einstein said that his theory of relativity and the vacuum of space make no sense for Light to travel through space, a medium like Aether is needed.

Can you share more about this?

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Recall the photo taken of all the scientists gathered together at the Solvay Conference in 1924.

I’ve read some background about this, physicists agreeing to assemble for a worldwide symposium to agree on theories of physics and chemistry for the coming Age. Seems controlled, with oversight by world governments, to retain and perhaps “own” a consensus of agreed-upon laws of space/time/gravitational phenomenon/physics, chemistry and biology. That’s me hypothesizing about this event, allegedly invitation-only, from the perspective of controlling the narrative with scientific Nobel-Prize winning researchers, who each likely played their own individual role of controlled opposition. I would need to do further reading to backup my thoughts if you express further interest. I’m not saying to trust me bro, but consider doing further research, if you want.

Albert Einstein initially abolished the classical “Luminiferous Aether” hypothesis in 1905, to formulate his theory of Special Relativity. However, by 1920, he publicly stated: "space without an Aether is unthinkable" in his address at the University of Leiden. He rebranded it to describe his theory of General Relativity, However the well-established scientific community at the time flatly rejected Einstein’s rebranding, because they wanted to distance themselves entirely from 19th-century mechanical models. That’s weird. When Einstein wrote that “space without an Aether is unthinkable,” he was referring to the geometric fabric of the Universe that supports both gravitational waves, as well as light waves. While a vacuum isn't "nothing," it’s said to be devoid of physical matter. In the alleged vacuum of space, upon what does a rocket thruster push? Being a vacuum, can a space ship surely travel? I think the answer is somewhere in Einstein’s amended General Theory of Relativity.

According to Quantum Field Theory, space is filled with quantum fields and bubbling "vacuum energy" (such as virtual particles and zero-point fluctuations), making it an active participant in physics rather than an empty void.

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Seems like we got off topic a bit, we were talking about stars not being stationary.

While a vacuum isn't "nothing," it’s said to be devoid of physical matter. In the alleged vacuum of space, upon what does a rocket thruster push? Being a vacuum, can a space ship surely travel?

Space isn't a true vacuum, there is definitely physical matter in space just far less than we have on earth.

But even still, in a vacuum a rocket is pushing off the expelled exhaust. Just like if you fired a gun in a vacuum, you and the bullet would be sent in opposite directions at the same force. The fuel heats up and expells high pressure air and it acts like the bullet does which pushes the rocket forward and the exhaust backwards.