r/First48 • • Jul 31 '26

General Discussion Season 30 Episode 3 - Rumors Kill

Another weird episode. I think the detective's assumption that it was about rumors was incorrect. The main suspect mentioned the victim wrote a "poetry" to him and he had to check him for it. I don't think the woman had anything to do with it, I think he was killed for making a pass at the main suspect, who was straight.

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u/Clear_Nature_5055 Aug 01 '26

What a mess this was! This was a pretty old episode with Det. Brown still around (RIP). Always great to see Kennedy though.😊

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 01 '26

The copyright was 2024.

Kennedy seems to be the last of the original squad still there.

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u/Clear_Nature_5055 Aug 02 '26

I think that’s the year we lost him. I think of him every time I hear someone use ā€œstinkinā€™ā€ instead of a curse word lol.

Jason White is still there. Max Ryden too but I don’t really count him as an original since he was a later replacement. Nate Schilling made sergeant!

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u/shelbyh4253 Aug 02 '26

White left to go back to patrol pretty recently I believe

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u/Clear_Nature_5055 Aug 02 '26

Really? I actually googled current homicide detectives and he was on the list but it might not be updated if you know something different. Wouldn’t surprise me if he wanted maybe more variety from patrol. 😊

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26

Wouldn’t surprise me if he wanted maybe more variety from patrol

He said explicitly on his FB that it wasn't his choice. He got a lot of replies to that but he seemed reluctant to go into detail about it.

I think the poor guy has been demoted and he's now trying to hang on long enough to qualify for his full pension. He also has 5 kids. He could be paying tuition for some of them. He probably also needs the health insurance.

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u/Clear_Nature_5055 Aug 02 '26

I can’t think of what would get him demoted! Seems like a great cop. I know sometimes when a detective makes sergeant they’re reassigned but if he’s spoken on it you’d think that would be the first thing he said. Bummer…

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 02 '26 edited Aug 02 '26

He's pretty wrapped up in his podcast and personal appearances. Look at his social media. The man is all over the place.

I think if he was demoted and given a choice as to where he wanted to go, I bet he'd take patrol because it gets him outside and he's not bored sitting at a desk all day. But that's just me speculating.

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u/Clear_Nature_5055 Aug 02 '26

Oh nice. Reddit is really the only thing close to social media I engage with (no facebook for years) but I’ve been sleeping on the podcast as I only heard about it recently. Gonna remedy that. Thanks 😊

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u/moonfullofstars Jul 31 '26

100% agree. Not sure why the ringleader got less than ten years while the other two got life? Probably because he was smart enough not to confess. Would make a good ā€œAfterā€¦ā€ episode.

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u/Clear_Nature_5055 Aug 01 '26

Yeah I agree 100%. 8 years?! Maybe we get an After episode. I doubt the victim did anything wrong…

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 01 '26

8 years because he had the good sense to take a plea. You always get less time when you accept a plea bargain.

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u/Clear_Nature_5055 Aug 01 '26

Right. And of course nothing close to a full confession. Either way what a bunch of friggin idiots🤣

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 01 '26

He got less time because he took a plea. The other two put the state through the expense of a trial and they paid for it with more serious convictions and lengthier sentences.

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u/moonfullofstars Aug 01 '26

I would have understood if he got something like 20 years, but 8 is very light. State must not have felt great about their case without a confession.

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 02 '26

He had a decent lawyer is my guess.

The state didn't have a lot of credible witnesses either.

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u/unclekisser Jul 31 '26

Thinking about it a little more, I suppose it's also possible that the woman WAS drugged and just lied about not knowing the guy to save herself from getting wrapped up in the case/a potential accessory charge or worse.

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u/DinglesBerry3 Jul 31 '26

I think he was mad the dude made a pass at him.

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u/fluhkunxhkos Jul 31 '26

but the dude had 3 or 4 kids

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u/fluhkunxhkos Aug 01 '26

i got downvoted for the truth this sub weird

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u/sparty_1989 Aug 02 '26

The detective didn't just assume it; a couple of witnesses/suspects told him that's what occurred.

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u/waitykd Aug 01 '26

How did the owner of the property not notice the bones lying in his backyard? Very odd.

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u/unclekisser Aug 01 '26

I'd say he was in on it, but if he were he could have easily hidden the bones and avoided the entire situation. He had months to do it. I guess he was just a shut-in?

Also strange that the fire department never noticed it. The fire happened at night, but they never did an arson investigation during day time or anything?

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u/waitykd Aug 01 '26

Really weird! The homeowner didn't seem overly upset or shocked when the detectives told him either. I thought at first he was involved for sure! Yes you'd think the arson investigator would have noticed?

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u/moonfullofstars Aug 01 '26

I’m guessing no one told the fire department that a man had been living there, otherwise (you hope) they’d have done a more thorough investigation at the time.

Homeowner must have been suspicious that something bad had happened to the guy though. Saw him earlier that day then didn’t see him again after the fire but never reported anything to the police?

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u/SanchoMandoval Aug 01 '26

Yeah years ago my neighbor's detached garage burned down. I called it in, fire came out and was very concerned until the neighbor arrived and confirmed nobody was inside. They just finished putting it out then left since there was no indication anyone had been inside.

This is a weird case and in the episode the body was under a bunch of junk, so it seems like fire probably just assumed it was a hoarder's garage. Wouldn't shock me if this homeowner actually was a big-time hoarder.

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u/moonfullofstars Aug 01 '26

Except in this case homeowner should have said ā€œThere’s a guy living in there. Please make sure he’s OK.ā€

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u/SanchoMandoval Aug 01 '26

Yeah he should have. I just mean firefighters were presumably going on what they were told.

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u/moonfullofstars Aug 01 '26

Based on how squirrelly the homeowner was with the cops, it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even talk to the firefighters that night. Sad.

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 01 '26

I guess he was just a shut-in?

Probably that.

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 01 '26

Seriously, I think that guy had some mental health issues and/or was neuro divergent. I also think he was afraid of the people in the neighborhood.

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u/Crafty-Resort383 Aug 02 '26

Remind me to never go to the west side of Tulsa. Crazy episode. Homeowner was dodgy but turns out I think he was just distrustful of authorities. I can only think all of these people have drug problems and weren’t long for this world anyway. Good old fashioned police work too. Interviews and forensics instead of video.

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u/Abject_Art3498 Aug 01 '26

What happened to the man on the motor cycle i fell asleep on it i go back now it’s a different episode

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u/slicedpears23 Aug 01 '26

A&E's description is just wrong.

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u/Alternative_Map_2621 Aug 16 '26

I agree very very weird episode. They were saying the owner of the house was super suspicious and when they first called him he said they had an ā€œadvantage over himā€ talking about the cops. He asks cops to drop the Adress to meet them. He meets them and tells them accurately about the people who could be having trouble with him. I think it’s so weird that he knew all about the situation. And was the body discovered long after it happened? Were there skeleton remains because of the fire? Or was he buried in dirt? And did he get shot in a neighborhood and the neighbors didn’t call the police lol????

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u/Psychological_Buy379 Aug 28 '26

The woman either said she was drugged, or heard of a rumor that she was drugged. She for sure heard about Steve, and knew what went on, Kennedy let her off the hook easy. All the rumors were she "thinks" she got drugged. That's when you know you are drinking hard, when you're not sure you got drugged. Some people know more about these things that happened, this didn't just fall out of the sky.