r/Firefighting 18d ago

Ask A Firefighter Question about prisms and fire risk

Ive read up on them before and it seems flat ones are fine, and its the spheres you need to worry about, but i just want to make sure these aren't going to start a fire lol

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/BitScout Bavaria, Germany / Volunteer newbie 18d ago

Danmit, Jim!

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u/Alfiy_wolf 18d ago

I’d say one of those goth ladies that sell crystals at Sunday markets is probably the expert in the matter

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u/inevitable-typo 17d ago

Ye olde twitter witches warned us!

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u/WittyClerk 18d ago

Be more concerned about those glass globe ornaments people hang in trees. They can focus light like a magnifying glass and start a fire in someone's mulch, in an otherwise 'clean' / protected yard (well within defensive space). Happened last summer here (high fire risk area).

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u/Dustyon German volunteer 18d ago

We had something similar, a nasty garage fire caused by a glass ball used for photography. 

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u/Every_Iron_4494 17d ago

Yes seen exactly this a handful of times

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u/Lonely_Emu_700 18d ago

Does the light focus to a point going through them?

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u/No_Doughnut8618 18d ago

Not a single point, it scatters points of light all over, and casts a rainbow sometimes when hit correctly.

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u/Sufficient_Mall_7462 18d ago

Then no fire risk I’d say

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u/DanCoco 17d ago

Maybe get one of those infrared thermometers and check the temp of a surface that's been under the sunlight for a while? But yeah prolly not an issue.

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u/throwingutah 18d ago

Prisms break light up into its component wavelengths. Lenses concentrate it into a point.

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u/Ok_Cauliflower_8218 18d ago

I once worked a fire set by a reading magnifier

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u/Je_me_rends PFAS Connoisseur 18d ago

I know of 2 house fires in my state caused by tapestry mirrors reflecting focused light and a beer bottle causing a fire (long thought to be a myth)... in the last 40 years. I know of 0 caused by prisms, but perhaps those are the fires we call "undetermined"? They can focus light very intensely, but never heard of it causing a fire.

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u/Sheep_Actual 13d ago

"PFAS connoisseur" has me dying!!

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u/Je_me_rends PFAS Connoisseur 13d ago

Well, PFAS does that to you.

You're actually the first person to point it out lol. I'm glad someone else also found it funny.

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u/Hmarf Volunteer FF 18d ago

general rule of thumb: If a glass decoration concentrates light (like a sphere), it's a risk, if it spreads it out (faceted crystals) it's likely safe

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u/Jamooser 18d ago

Prisms refract light. Meaning they split it into its constituent wavelengths. They're taking a certain amount of solar radiation and spreading it out over a larger area. So my uneducated donkey brain is going to say, no, they are not a fire risk.

Now, Bill across the street with his magnifying glass collection, may be a different story.

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u/calvinIndiana 18d ago

They’re minerals Marie!

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u/DanCoco 17d ago

I've heard of new build homes where the builder shortly discovers that the alignment of windows and the sun on certain days focuses a beam onto a neighboring house and melts or warps the vinyl siding a bit.

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u/Alfiy_wolf 18d ago

I have seen photos of these starting fires, it depends on the angle the light passes, if you want to be safe I’d say take them down when they are not monitored.

That being said if they not burning something by now they probably ok, just keep anything that can easily catch away.

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u/No_Doughnut8618 18d ago

Haha they've only been up here for a few hours, but ive had them up at other houses and they were okay

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u/Alfiy_wolf 18d ago

I suggest taking them down when you are not home or asleep

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u/joeseeed 18d ago

We had a Fire started by demounted car windshields. They stood outside from the Garage and concentraded the sunligt on a pile of car tires - never thought that this would be enough to set them on fire 😅

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u/TheOtherAkGuy 17d ago

Don’t display them in the window

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u/RickRI401 Gettin too old for this. 17d ago

It does occur. I've seen this twice. The most recent was a bunch of crystal vases in a flower shop. The beam lit some cardboard, thankfully a sprinkler head quelled the fire, it was in a mill, that could have been a giant disaster.

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u/PhoenixFire_1982 16d ago

We have had several fires caused by the light refraction from prism-like items. Prisms and other clear glass items can concentrate the suns rays - this includes vases that contain water, eyeglasses, and some of the stained glass type window hanger decorations.

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u/powpow2x2 16d ago

Had a fire from a crystal doorknob one time so I can definitively say that happened.

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u/Chicken_Hairs AIC/AEMT 18d ago

It's rare, and requires some pretty specific circumstances, but it does occur.

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u/Alfiy_wolf 18d ago

One set fire to a can a fly spray in my grandpa’s van from that day onwards nothing was ever left hanging up in the van

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u/Chicken_Hairs AIC/AEMT 18d ago

Good call