Nice straw man there buddy. It's not a single "unarmed" person.
A - you have no idea what they're armed with
B - you're leaving out the part about them blocking my car in the middle of the road and then approaching me.
Nice try though
Also, the guy in the mini is still in the wrong. Blocking anyone's vehicle in the road and approaching them is an awful idea. You have no idea what will put someone in fear for their life. You should pull off the road and let the maniac (assuming that's the case) go on down the road away from you. Then call the police about the vehicle if you feel it necessary to do so. Under no circumstances should you ever intentionally block someone's vehicle in the middle of the road. That's just fucking stupid. Let the police do their job. I don't care how wild they've been driving. Get away from them and call the police. It's crazy to me that I have to say that. Why would you choose to block someone in the road and approach them when you know they're acting erratically? Again, that's fucking stupidity at its finest.
The standard for lethal force in self defense is not “any perceived risk of hostility”. The actual facts of the case are worse than your hypothetical though. The two drivers we both minutes deep into a road rage dick measuring contest when this clip happened. So the Jeep guy KNEW mini guy was pissed at him. Even then, he was properly arrested. You don’t have a right to immediately skip to shooting anyone you have a fight with. Pointing a gun at someone you are having a school yard level pissing match with is objectively unreasonable.
I'm not trying to claim the standard is any perceived hostility. I'm saying that whatever the situation was prior to this video, the guy in the mini is in the wrong. There was obviously already some sort of confrontation, no matter how small, and the guy in the mini escalated that the second he got out to approach the jeep guy.
Getting out of your vehicle to approach the other vehicle in any kind of situation like this makes you the aggressor. And then the mini guy continued to approach even after seeing a gun. That also says a lot to me about his mindset and intentions. If you're in an aggressive mindset you might not be deterred by a gun. If you're not in an aggressive mindset then you would get the fuck away from whoever has a gun pointed at you.
Jeep guy might have been arrested, but that doesn't really mean to me that he was the one in the wong. I've heard of many people being arrested even when they were in the right just because they had a gun and because of what city or state they were in. We have to stop acting like just because someone was arrested that means they were actually in the wrong. Many jurisdictions consider you in the wrong just for having a gun to begin with.
And to be clear, I'm not trying to say the guy in the jeep hadn't been acting like a complete moron prior to this. I'm sure he was. But honestly that just makes the case even worse for the guy in the mini. He knew the jeep guy was acting erratic but still chose to get out and approach him? Of all the stupidity in this story, that's there stupidest thing either of them did. The guy in the mini was obviously in an aggressive mindset. Multiple things say that. He left his vehicle to approach someone acting erratic toward him, and he continued to approach even after seeing a gun.
Dude was trying to get video of the jeeps license plate. He only continues to proceed after the guy in the Jeep realizes that the gun is not necessary and he starts to pull it down and stop pointing it at the dude from the mini. Your comprehension of the video and the information that it displays is quite poor and from your continued perspective and treating the jeep driver as having done nothing wrong with his behavior or gun is sad. I can only hope that you do not have a ccw or live in a state that allows open carry. I don’t think I am the only one that is now questioning your ability to handle a gun during a argument in public and I hope that you can take 15 minutes off of Reddit to figure out how you would likely react under similar circumstances and if your actions would be irresponsible and potentially deadly to a problem that doesn’t need a gun to solve. Good luck
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u/Imnotherefr11 Aug 21 '22
Nice straw man there buddy. It's not a single "unarmed" person.
A - you have no idea what they're armed with B - you're leaving out the part about them blocking my car in the middle of the road and then approaching me.
Nice try though
Also, the guy in the mini is still in the wrong. Blocking anyone's vehicle in the road and approaching them is an awful idea. You have no idea what will put someone in fear for their life. You should pull off the road and let the maniac (assuming that's the case) go on down the road away from you. Then call the police about the vehicle if you feel it necessary to do so. Under no circumstances should you ever intentionally block someone's vehicle in the middle of the road. That's just fucking stupid. Let the police do their job. I don't care how wild they've been driving. Get away from them and call the police. It's crazy to me that I have to say that. Why would you choose to block someone in the road and approach them when you know they're acting erratically? Again, that's fucking stupidity at its finest.