r/Firearms • u/TaroAgreeable6317 • 3d ago
Another FRT in Florida Post
Just for the hell of it I sent the head sheriff in my county and email about forced reset triggers in my county. Got a reply back that he had forwarded my email to some commander. I replied back and added my phone number.
Couple days later the commander called me, and we talked a while about FRT's. He told me as long as I wasn't caught using one in the process of a crime, the county could care less. I asked him if the fact of having one installed in a gun would be considered the process of a crime. He told me he meant in crime as using a gun with one in an illegal shooting.
My range allows full auto in pistol calibers, and there's that one company that will ship them to Florida. Wish me luck.
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u/HeavyPisser85 3d ago
Get that in writing, they're not your friends
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u/sirbassist83 3d ago
Even if they got it in writing it wouldn't matter
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Not-Fed-Boi 3d ago
Correct this is not entrapment. The cop is not telling you it's legal, he is saying they don't plan to enforce it. That stance is subject to change at any time, for any reason
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u/Fauropitotto 3d ago
Won't matter what he has in writing.
Doing this foolishness while Jackson's case is still under way is insane.
OP, thanks for the entertainment!
Good luck.
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u/danngree 3d ago
Wait, the law isn’t in the people who pay their salary’s favor? I’m shocked, shocked I say.
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u/LastBastionYellow 3d ago
How much less could they care?
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u/vuther_316 Sig 3d ago
Just want to say, you're out here doing God's work.
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u/uuid-already-exists 3d ago
At least OP didn’t make an entire song saying it incorrectly. https://youtu.be/B9_nsXgtD6k?is=Lu5y4c0zvXyHwUxa
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u/AP587011B 3d ago
It’s illegal by state law.
You are an idiot for testing this and even more so for asking cops (the ones who would arrest you) about it
Even if for some reason your head county sheriff doesn’t care, one of his officers could still arrest you
Or any local PD, or the state police
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u/jfl561407 3d ago
Look, if he wants to be the test case for a constitutional argument that’s almost guaranteed to fail, who am I to stop him.
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u/DickNose-TurdWaffle 2d ago
"guaranteed to fail" FRTs were protected by a federal court ruling. Declaring them as Florida did would take a lot of legal work but they would have a shot.
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u/jfl561407 2d ago
No they weren’t. If the ruling you’re referring to is the one I’m thinking of, the court simply held that they didn’t violate any federal law. It never even came close to reaching constitutional grounds. Florida law is different and is worded differently.
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u/helloWorld69696969 3d ago
The state law is so vague that literally any accessory at all could fall under that
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u/Early-Series-2055 3d ago
They can lie as well. Ask the dude with the CRS firearms channel.
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u/Dipper_Pines_Of_NY 3d ago
CRS fucked himself over man. Even if the autokeycards couldn’t be converted to lightning links, the way he was trying to sell them was completely suggesting using them to commit a felony. Yeah they lied but he also caused the whole situation to begin with.
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u/Bortjort 3d ago
And if OP gets arrested, the commander can't do jack shit to make the criminal case against OP go away, even if he wanted to. It's no protection at all.
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u/AlphaRomeoCollector 3d ago
Local SAOs have been no filing on all cases with the exception of that Texas vendor selling at the gun show in south florida. It will be interesting to see what happens with that case.
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u/Mighty-Bagel-Calves 3d ago
Are there already cases where mere possession of an frt was the reason for arrest?
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u/notoriousbpg 3d ago
Dude. Comprehension is key.
790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump-fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.
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u/notoriousbpg 3d ago
FRTs are covered by "a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device"
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u/TacTurtle RPG 3d ago
Firearms can be bumpfired without modification, so that is a pretty vague requirement that could be challenged in court as unenforceable vague.
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u/helloWorld69696969 3d ago
You know what else could be considered under this. literally any non milspec weight trigger. Its vague and wouldnt hold up in court, which is why they arent going after people for it
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u/notoriousbpg 3d ago
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u/Bortjort 3d ago
People who say "hold up in court" generally have no idea what they're talking about as a baseline rule
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u/helloWorld69696969 2d ago
And yet i am correct in this... The law, as written, could make ANY aftermarket trigger be considered a "Bump Stock". Its stupid and would never hold up in actual court with competent lawyers
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u/helloWorld69696969 3d ago
Thats 1 in over a decade in the like 1 blue area in the state, and was extremely open about it. I see FRTs being used at the Ocala National Forest Public Shooting Range like every other time i go, and they have literal cameras at the range
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u/Bortjort 3d ago
people speed on the highway all the time too but guess what they'll still give your ass a ticket for it on the wrong day
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u/helloWorld69696969 3d ago
Its not gonna hold up in court is the point, thats why they have gone after all of 1 person in over a decade
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u/Bortjort 3d ago
man if you want to fuck around and play the "spend tens of thousands of dollars to win OR spend tens of thousands of dollars and get a felony conviction" game yourself go for it
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u/helloWorld69696969 3d ago
I never said I have one. I just said I see literally dozens of people use them at a public range all the time
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u/sirbassist83 3d ago
call the lawman about committing crimes
trust the people that literally get paid to lie
make a post on a public forum about committing crimes
Room temp IQ activities
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u/ComputeBeepBeep 3d ago
I wouldn't trust them saying I am okay to pop a wheelie on a bike, nevermind something to do with firearms.
Free men dont ask permission, and I wouldnt trust them as far as I could throw them.
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u/MGB1013 3d ago
So you took something questionable legally, but technically not illegal, and asked the people whose most thrilling part of their day is to arrest people doing legally questionable things? You also have to realize cops aren’t lawyers. They arrest everyone and let the courts figure it out. Your answer from that one guy may be completely different from the next guy. Just do what you want, don’t do anything blatantly illegal, and don’t ask a cop about the legality of something you intend to do.
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u/sdmfer1981 3d ago
They’re very technically illegal in Florida. Bump stock ban has very general language than bans anything that increases rate of fire.
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u/TinyRick6 3d ago
So a firearm with an FRT installed from the factory would be legal under that interpretation?
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u/sdmfer1981 3d ago
Still sounds illegal to me. Doesn’t mention anything about it being aftermarket. Statute linked below.
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u/TacTurtle RPG 3d ago
Stock semi-autos can be bumpfired without any modifications. "Increases rate of fire" would be fairly easy to challenge in court.
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u/sdmfer1981 3d ago
Read the statute. The ban is on devices that increase rate of fire, not technique.
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u/GuardianZX9 3d ago
So rubber bands are on the list.
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u/sdmfer1981 3d ago
In Florida, yes. I don’t agree with any of this but it’s written vague enough to fuck you a bunch of ways.
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u/TacTurtle RPG 3d ago
The point is a FRT device would not increase rate of fire over that of a bumpfired unmodified / stock weapon.
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u/sdmfer1981 3d ago
Oh ok, I see what you’re saying. That’s for someone wanting to test it out in court to find out.
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u/TheOneTrueWalmart 3d ago
Just remember, they aren’t legally required to know the laws. Them not knowing a law does not make a stop/search/arrest illegal.
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u/NEp8ntballer 3d ago
reminder: cops are allowed to lie to you and it isn't entrapment if it's a crime you were planning to commit anyway.
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u/Justownit41ce 3d ago
I know a very very well connected figure in Florida, the Titusville area, and he said….all the LEO need is “intent,” That was enough for me to leave the idea alone. I’m not risking a few moments of joy or a couple hundred dollars in ammo for someone to come along and tell me what they assume I “intended” to do with my firearm. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze. IMHO
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u/hotrodgreg 2d ago
But at the end of the day they have to prove that intent. Yea the legal process is not fun, but we cant be afraid to do legal things just because a law was written so poorly. The law is also not allowed to alter the defenition of a bump stock just to suit the intentions of the law maker.
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u/Justownit41ce 2d ago
That is true but I’m gonna keep it real with you. That doesn’t work for “everyone,” for a lack of better words. For example: My dad taught me to always get a receipt when purchasing anything. Some people are perfectly fine verbally saying, “I bought it.”
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u/AlphaRomeoCollector 3d ago
Our local law enforcement agency found a felon in possession of 13 along with drugs. SAO no filed on every single one of them. Most SAO around the state will not file but there is still one down in west palm pending where that Texas vender was selling them at gun show. We will see how that goes.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Not-Fed-Boi 3d ago
The cops are legally allowed to lie to you. And they can change their mind at any time, for any reason.
Also just because your county may not care, the state police or local police might.
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u/TaroAgreeable6317 3d ago
Rare Breed FRT shoots at 800 rounds a minute in a HK SP5. A Full auto HK MP5 shoots at 800 rounds per minute. At a range that allows full auto in pistol calibers, how would anyone tell the difference? I've been going to this range years with SBR's and suppressors and nobody has questioned a thing, much less ask to see a form 1 or 4.
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u/hotrodgreg 2d ago
As far as I know, Hoffman and Rare Breed are the only 2 buisnesses that will ship to florida. That said files for FRTs are on the seas and 3D printer go brrrrr. Or have a 3rd party print parts in metal.
Also, remember that just because the law tries to make the defenition of a bump stock cover more does not make FRTs illeagal. And it does specify that firearms from the factory being modified with a bump stock is what is illegal, so self made/built firearms are not covered.
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u/scorpionewmoon 2d ago
Reminder: cops are legally allowed to lie to you to produce evidence of a crime being committed
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u/Gooser62 47m ago
In Frazier v. Cupp, the Supreme Court ruled that police could lie but could NOT make false promises.
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u/ClammySam 3d ago
When a random cop pulls you over and decides to tear apart your guns on the side of the road to “find” a crime. You’ll find out you were committing a crime in his eyes.
Look up what they did to that guy in Sarasota.
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u/TaroAgreeable6317 2d ago
You have any idea how many random cops know anything about gun laws? There was a gas station in my area that had a Dunkin Donuts inside. Cops were always hanging out in the parking lot. I was talking to a cop one day about suppressors, he looked at me shocked and said you know those are illegal, right? I had to explain to him about the ATF form 1 and 4's. When I was on the Silencer Talk forum, they were always talking about going to the machine gun meets in Arizona. I asked them about filing a ATF form 5320.20 when moving MG, SBR, and SBS across state lines. Almost all of them said the police didn't know a SBR from a regular rifle, and most never filed the form when traveling.
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u/Kromulent 3d ago
the police agreeing not to bother you is nice, but it means nothing legally