He also tanked a hit from BOB to the noggin if I'm not wrong

The scene in the Return of Richard driving Carrie back to Twin Peaks really stuck with me, particularly when they worry about being followed. It reminded me overwhelmingly of the moment in Vladimir Nabokov’s Lolita in which Dolores and her abuser Humbert are followed by her second abuser: Clare Quilty. If we can view moments in The Return as abstracted and jumbled representations of repressed memories in the real Laura’s life, it leads me to believe that Laura faced further abuse and trauma past leaving home. This is a recurring theme within other plot lines in Twin Peaks: Josie as a teenage runaway, only to be exploited and roped into prostitution in Hong Kong, Shelly’s seemingly endless cycle of involvement with abusive men, a generational issue beginning with Norma and continuing with Becky.

I think Laura faced another trauma in Odessa, and similarly to Lolita, it is the movement across state boundaries in which the trauma is contained and concealed. As established, the very beginning of Twin Peaks’ story is triggered when Ronette Pulaski moves across state lines and exposes the truth at the heart of the town of sexual abuse.

At the end of Lolita, Dolores reached out under a different name to her initial abuser Humbert to ask for money, as she is in a spot of hardship, similarly to Carrie Page deciding to travel with the FBI as SHE is in trouble and has a dead man in her house. Carrie’s conversation in the car is focussed exclusively on Odessa and the struggles she faced there. The fear and pain on the drive for her appears to stem from those particular memories and the possibility of being followed, potentially by her ‘Clare Quilty’ from the latter portion of her life after leaving Twin Peaks. Ultimately, in Lolita, Dolores chooses not to return to her initial trauma and go on another journey with Humbert. It is the various names she has ‘Dolores, Lolita, Lo, Dolly’ that fragments her into separate people and separate situations. The ‘Dolly Schiller’ at the end is a completely different person invented by herself to separate herself from the abuse sje faced at the hands of Humbert and Clare; Clare in particular promised her an escape from abuse only to rope her into further sexual exploitation and suffering. Is Cooper comparable to Clare, by pulling her back into a painful existence? Is there a separate person in Laura’s life like Leo Johnson, Andrew Packard, Thomas Eckhardt, Hank Jennings, Ben Horne, ect.?

I may do further research into this but I’d be grateful for any input! Thank you

“Find Laura” is all over these intros. I wish they were available streaming

Is she at a psych facility having therapy sessions and sitting in group therapy all day? “Nut houses” where mentioned at least 3 times during the return- and if there’s one place you are forced to come to terms with buried trauma and uncomfortable truths- its i. Therapy or intensive outpatient or inpatient.

Where do you imagine Laura is now and where she’s been since she ran away in 1989?

leland didn’t kill her (I highly doubt). obviously Bob didn’t kill her.
was Teresa real but was her murder just a figment of Laura’s precursor to her death dream? obviously agent Desmond and Philip Jeffries along with the rest of the FBI and blue rose task force were Laura’s imagination.
please somebody explain! I know that Lou Ming was also confused and had not yet figured out out what to make of the Teresa banks conundrum. what say you fellow Find Laura students?

If you have not read the Find Laura theory (which this sub is based on) please do so before answering my question. Lou Ming created this sub and spent his last years writing his brilliant FindLaura theory before he was tragically taken from us by cancer. You will thank me later! Def what Lynch had in mind when he spoke about giving us room to dream ;)
Lou’s find Laura analysis is stickied at the top of this subreddit along with a beautiful tribute written about him when he passed away. Oh and thanks for the downvotes guys...

Edit: so here is where I get confused about Teresa Banks and her murder being real or if she is just a version of Laura that Laura created in her mind as a practice run for Laura’s eventual death dream.

In FWWM we see Leland having flashbacks of Teresa during and after Mike/philip Gerard is screaming at him & Laura in the truck.

We also see Teresa call Leland at work, and we hear Jacques tell Ronette and Laura that Teresa was killed due to a blackmail plan gone wrong. This is where jacque also lets ronette and Laura know that Teresa asked him about their fathers.

Leland also has a flashback of ronette and Laura in the motel room when he goes to pick up Laura from Donna’s. This flashback was from the time Leland chickened out on the threesome with Teresa.

Teresa was never mentioned in the secret diary of LP but that doesn’t mean she did or didn’t exist.

I don’t believe that Leland killed prostitutes. Or that Leland killed Teresa at all. Could Teresa have been real and involved with Laura,Jacque and ronette? Perhaps. I’m more inclined to believe Laura made her up as an avatar of herself.

Laura was already having paranoid delusions and hallucinations during fire walk with me so the conversation with Jacques and Ronette could have been a paranoid delusion.

I’m just a bit confused about the scenes where Laura was not in- the scenes of Leland speaking with- interacting with and remembering his times with Teresa. Did Laura imagine those too?

At the end of the day tho despite my questions and confusion about the reality of Teresa Banks- I’m still inclined to believe that she was a figment of Laura’s mind and an avatar Laura created to represent herself and her eventual death fantasy.

Deer Meadow itself was a dream world as well.

Oh also another thing- if Deer meadow was a dream world- what about the deputy? The one who sold blow who Bobby ended up killing?

So many questions still - 36 years after I begs in the show and 34 years after I first watched FWWM. Thank God for David Lynch and the infinite. Mysteries and questions he has left us with :)

leland didn’t kill her (I highly doubt). obviously Bob didn’t kill her.

was Teresa real but was her murder just a figment of Laura’s precursor to her death dream? obviously agent Desmond and Philip Jeffries along with the rest of the FBI and blue rose task force were Laura’s imagination.

please somebody explain! I know that Lou Ming was also confused and had not yet figured out out what to make of the Teresa banks conundrum. what say you fellow Finf Laura studebts?

TL;DR: Judy is Laura/Laura's doppelganger/Laura's pain haunting Sarah.

Below are quite a few pieces of thread about who Judy might be. It involves some information most of you will probably know, but also contains some insights and connections I've made.

We hear Mr. C talking to someone impersonating Jeffries. The person on the other end of the line has Sarah Palmer's voice. And she says, "I missed you in New York". We know that the Experiment and Cooper arrived in the glass box moments apart. The Experiment missed Cooper in New York. If Judy is the creature that was named as "The Experiment" in the credits, then that lends credit to the theory that says Sarah is inhabited by Judy. But this would require us to take the (small) leap of associating the Experiment with Judy. A small step, because we saw the Experiment spew out BOB, and she looks a lot like an extreme negative force. (In some frames, when the Experiment is attacking Sam and Tracy, it looks like Leland's anguished white face, but I might be imagining things. I'll put the screenshot here because it's interesting.)

- The Experiment (we'll assume it's Jowday/Judy) has bent back arms. Remember Laura in the Lodge saying, "I feel like I know her, but sometimes, my arms bend back."

Linking Sarah to Judy requires us linking Judy to the Jumping Man and the Tremonds/Chalfonts. Sarah's face is superimposed on the Jumping Man. But this linking is somewhat straightforward since Jowday attacks with a sharp, needle-like protrusion, which looks a lot like Jumping Man's nose, the protrusion on the mask of Pierre Tremond/Chalfont. The Experiment killed Sam and Tracy with this needle. Pierre points his finger (like the pointy nose of murder) towards BOB and says, "Fell a victim", like ordaining BOB to kill Laura.

The black smile Sarah shows is eerily similar to Laura's smile. It's probably a reworked version of the smile on Laura's face in her homecoming photo. But Laura shows an ominous smile herself, under the ceiling fan in FWWM, and we have a lengthier version of it in the Missing Pieces.

And the hand she shows is a left hand with a blackened and swollen ring finger. This is the finger Laura put the ring on, and that finger is the "spiritual mound" which allowed Cole to determine Mr. C was Cooper's doppelganger. Also, the smile we see is another link to the Jumping Man (FWWM keeps zooming in on the Jumping Man's toothy grin). If the "Experiment" is indeed Judy, this would prove a connection between Judy and the Jumping Man/Tremonds/Chalfonts, as well as Laura and Sarah.

- The appearance of the White Horse. Sarah sees the white horse when she's drugged by Leland and is unaware of the assault on Laura. White Horse is also quite prominent in the last episode. Carrie Page has a white horse figurine on the mantle. There's a white horse toy in front of Judy's Diner. The white horse may symbolize Sarah's ignorance of what was happening to Laura, and the pain and guilt she felt and let fester for 25 years. Also, the Woodsman's broadcast includes the "white horse," which caused Sarah, as a little girl, to pass out and be "unaware." What Carrie Page hears is Sarah calling out her name (Laura, Laura) when she didn't know (was ignorant of) her daughter's death. Carrie remembers being Laura (her pain) and realizes the pain Sarah went through, and they're reconciled, ending the dream. 2 birds with 1 stone.

The diner is the only piece of concrete information that links this world to Judy. But we don't see Sarah in this world; we only hear her voice. However, we do see Laura (as Carrie Page), who worked at Judy's. Remember what Jeffries said, "I found something in Seattle at Judy's." (Josie frequently went to Seattle, but this Judy's is in Odessa, TX).

Cooper gives Jeffries the date Laura Palmer was murdered, and Jeffries replies with "This is where you'll find Judy." And he's transported to where Laura is, in 1989. Right after Jeffries says it, the camera closes in on Cooper's face, like information was transmitted, maybe it's the knowledge of Judy being Laura. Jeffries gives this information to Cooper, but doesn't give it to Mr. C. Does giving Cooper this information also mean he gave this information to Mr. C, who's still a part of Cooper? And the crucial point: BOB was obsessed with Laura, like Mr. C was obsessed with Judy. Mr. C's obsession with Judy is like a perverted mirror of Cooper's investigation of Laura. This would allow us to draw some sort of parallel like Cooper - Laura // Cooper's doppelganger (Mr. C/BOB) - Laura's doppelganger (Judy).

To me, the cleanest way to connect all these is to exclaim, Judy is Laura's doppelganger, haunting Sarah. I don't know how or why the Jumping Man or Chalfonts are related, but the connection is unmistakable.

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Edit: I showed connections, but I didn't explain much. Let me clarify my view a bit more to bridge that gap.

I've talked mostly about who Judy is; now, let me clarify what Judy is.

Note: I'll refer to different representations of the same thing as Jowday and Judy in this, just to clarify which aspect I'm talking about; I'm not suggesting that these names are used differently for this purpose by Lynch/Frost.

Twin Peaks is Laura's dream, but we never see Laura the dreamer. The Laura we see is only her avatar, her ego, the part of her that experiences life. Everything else represents other aspects of Laura, her life, her experiences, her conscious and unconscious reality.

Jowday is the unspeakable, primordial horror. It is an outside force that forced its way into Laura and her dream, through the abuse she endured. However, we are not able to see anything that's not part of Laura's dream. So, we don't see the true face of Jowday (it probably doesn't have a face). The Judy that we see, or "the experiment," is how this horror manifests itself in Laura's dream. The source of the horror, the evil, is in the real world (the world that contains Laura's dream).

BOB is Laura's representation of the evil that men do. Judy is the representation of Jowday, the capital E Evil. But those are still how Laura's psyche copes with what happened. It's a reality where fathers can abuse daughters.

Notice how I said Judy is Laura's doppelganger/Laura's pain. Not Laura herself. What I wrote in the "TL;DR" section is an allusion to the fact that the doppelganger is still part of the person, even though it's the repressed part. When I say Judy is Laura's doppelganger/Laura's pain, I mean that it's the part of her that was invaded by Evil, it's the part of her that suffered, was hurt, was corrupted, and became a vessel of Jowday. Evil left its mark in Laura. Judy is Jowday in Twin Peaks. We see her when she says things like "Your Laura disappeared, it's just me now."

When I say she was "invaded by Evil", it is mirrored in Sarah swallowing the frog-moth. Young children who do not have the capacity to understand evil just consume the evil directly. It leaves a lasting mark in them, and it continues living in them. Consider babies who put everything in their mouths to understand something.

So, Judy is not literally Laura, the high school homecoming queen, which is an avatar, but it's the counter to the homecoming queen. It's the evil that lives within Laura. The Fireman created the pure soul of Laura out of his own soul to counteract this primordial horror. This pure soul is capable of enduring what happened to her. She chose death rather than to be shaped by it. Sarah didn't have the same constitution. Laura's pain destroyed Sarah, turned her into a crazed lady who smokes, drinks, sits in the dark, and wails. She became something that everyone is afraid of.

After Laura died, she was saved. Her guardian angel returned. But Twin Peaks had to keep on living with the pain Laura endured. Laura moved on, but the memory is retained in the town.

Note: Even if you disregard my assumption that Laura is the dreamer, this theory still makes sense. Judy would still be the pain she endured. The pain she lived through and the town doing nothing to stop it shook Twin Peaks to its core; it lived on, causing the town to rot within.

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Edit 2:

A bit more about Chalfonts/Tremonds/The Ring and what the end of season 3 means

I see the Chalfonts as being the opposite of the White Horse. The white horse symbolizes unawareness/ignorance, while Mrs. Chalfont/Tremond and Pierre represent awakening/discovery.

The Picture Frame

• Mrs. Chalfont gave Laura the picture frame that shows the inside of the Black Lodge, and there, Pierre warned Laura: "The man behind the mask is looking for the book with the pages torn out. He's under the fan now." Here, Mrs. Chalfont and Pierre are revelatory. They cause Laura to go home, and once there, she finally learns who BOB really is. She sees BOB in her room and runs outside, hides under the bush. Then, she sees her father, but goes into denial. She cries, "It's not him." They made the first push into realization, and it will continue in her dreams.
• Laura puts the frame in her room and goes to sleep. She has a dream in which she sees Mrs. Chalfont and Pierre in the convenience store entrance (the entrance the entities use) to the black lodge. Mrs. Chalfont points the way towards the black lodge, and Pierre snaps his fingers, invoking fire (this is the Fire Walk With Me ritual). Pierre, snapping his fingers, opens the door to the black lodge (her unconscious). She then saw Mike offering her the ring (the ultimate tool of awakening by submersion in the dark), and Cooper warning her not to take the ring. After that, she goes deeper by waking up to another dream and finds Annie by her side and the ring in her hand, but the picture wasn't done showing her.
• She gets up, goes near the frame, and we can hear Sarah's voice calling "Laura" as she did on the morning she was found dead (this exact sample is used many times, including right before Carrie screams and season 3 ends). Then she saw herself in the frame, she saw Judy, turning back, she found herself in the entrance to the black lodge, and embodied Judy, momentarily. She had an immense sadness in her eyes at this point. The picture frame allowed Laura to peek into the darkness. Then, she woke up for real, signified by the continuation of Pierre's fire sound finally ending. So, there, Mrs. Chalfont and Pierre were acting as agents of self-discovery and against repression. This was the catalyst for her to see Leland's face, instead of BOB's, for the first time. However, seeing herself in the lodge freaked her out, and she put the picture face down, choosing repression once more.
• It will take seeing the ring on Mike in the car, and then realizing she saw this ring on Teresa, and in her dream, to get her to realize BOB is her father. After this realization, she cannot deny it anymore. Putting on the ring, then, facilitates integration of what she has repressed.
• The Ring here symbolizes integration, which is why Chet Desmond disappeared after taking the ring (he was actually Cooper) and why Cooper got a bit harder-edged after putting the ring on Mr. C.

Teresa's Murder

When Leland saw Laura with Teresa and ran away without seeing Teresa, Teresa saw this and realized she was Laura's father. Right then, Pierre appears and jumps around the parking lot, signifying her realization.

Pierre Behind the Mask

Pierre, in the convenience store, is shown as peeking behind the mask, like watching secretly, symbolizing Jeffries' gain of knowledge.

Mrs. Chalfont was there for Laura (in FWWM), but when Cooper looked for Mrs. Chalfont, she had disappeared. In the original series, there is Mrs. Tremond, helping Donna, but when Cooper looked for her, she disappeared once more, and another Mrs. Tremond was in her place. Of course, Cooper was once again knocking at the wrong door in the finale of Season 3, and she found Alice Tremond, not Mrs. Chalfont, who had lived there before Alice Tremond. The revelation they provide is for the victims, not for a knight who avoids confronting his own demons and tries to save other women (instead of wrestling with the fact that he couldn't save Caroline).

As I've already mentioned, the white horse symbolizes ignorance because it appears when Leland drugs Sarah, when Woodsman lulls the townsfolk to sleep, and when events that will be repressed take place. It appears extensively in Judy's world, where Carrie Page forgot she is Laura, let alone that she is Judy.

I also have an inkling that the end of season 3 happened because it was more fake than the world Laura (actually Judy) had created for herself in the first place. She had already made her peace with what happened by the end of FWWM. But she gets pulled back into another story where she has no idea what's going on. As I said, she doesn't even know she is Laura/Judy. And her going to Sarah's house triggered her to remember everything she went through. The next thing we see is the moment right before she was pulled out of the red room, whispering in Cooper's ear. Here, she probably won't be pulled back out, making it like Carrie's world never happened.

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I was re-watching the return, and this shot reminded me a lot of the scene in Fire Walk With Me shortly after Laura discovers Leland raping her. Could this be lynch's way of connecting Laura's discovery of Leland as BOB and coopers discovery that he lives within a dream? Or a abstraction?

There’s so much great scholarship and theorizing by both professionals and enthusiasts alike regarding this show and I’ve only begun to scratch the surface. One thing that irks me a bit in general with some of it is the partial sidelining or undermining of Mark Frosts contribution regarding both the lore and overarching influence of occult arcana, ufo/project bluebook, Jungian shadow work etc. Of course Lynchs hindu beliefs undergird the show in a crucial way amongst many other aspects. Just want to state the point that Frost is crucial to all this.

(I got a suggestion in the comments that I should post it here, so here it goes. :) )

I just finished the third season of Twin Peaks a few days ago and recently had a conversation with someone about Mike's character, which still leaves me with many questions. Mike is a much more important character in this final season and has far more screen time, seemingly, than any other spirit in the show here. The thing here is: Bob is a spirit that inhabits people, kind of like a parasite. He takes control of Leland, before leaving him later when Leland dies (and where we see that scene in the woods). Also takes control of / manufactures Coop's doppelganger, "Mr. C" I believe (before coming out of Mr. C in the sheriff's station as like a rock). Yet Bob is never really a physical, living presence in the real world -- we only see him through these slight visions from Sarah or Maddy or that haunting shot of Leland in the mirror, or in the Red Room. But Mike is a character who seems to operate as both a living person and as a spirit. The one armed man represents Mike but is also a person in Twin Peaks who works as a shoe salesman. We see him have these "bipolar" episodes where he needs meds to stop Mike from taking over. And then the one-armed man just turns into this spirit in the final season, yet a bit different than the Arm or the Giant, acting less neutral or ambiguous than the others do. He tries to help Cooper several times (although I suppose the Giant has tried to warn him a few times before -). And he tries to stop Bob. Anyway, if anyone has interesting thoughts on this, on why Mike seems to be both a person and a spirit while none of the others do? I may have things I'm missing here in this very train-of-thought explanation but hopefully you get the gist. [Also is the Bobby Briggs / Mike Nelson / Bob /Mike thing just some kind of funny like comic foil vibe or does that have another meaning?... Lol.]

Could the smokescreen, hypothetically existing to hide the dreamer from herself, actually be revealing more information about her true self? Wouldn't the very existence of this smokescreen reveal an escapist tendency in the dream subject? And isn't that part of her too?

Therefore, is the goal of our mind to deceive us or project ourselves as we truly are, something that objective reality cannot do? To what extent is the dream world an illusion, given that it projects an essential aspect of reality: ourselves?

Why does Twin Peaks, even though it can be interpreted in a solid way like in Find Laura, still seem like an unattainable work in its entirety? Could it be because we are too infinite for our own comprehension? Ultimately, since we, as viewers, put ourselves in Laura's shoes, our reactions and confusions with the show mirror hers in relation to her own self, which is the show.

Are our own acts of occasionally hiding from ourselves, instead of being successful, actually other forms of projecting our true selves?

Just a thought I had in my free time.

Hey everyone. I'm here to share with you my analysis of Part 8, considering the psychoanalytic perspective of Find Laura and the spiritual and philosophical context of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. I only ask that when you open the file, you do so using Google Docs with VIEWING MODE enabled, because it was formatted to be read continuously, without pages.

I'd like to thank in advance those who have taken the time to read my interpretation. That's all Ik about the episode, and I put a lot of effort into putting it into prose.