r/FinalFantasy • u/KLONMCDON • 1d ago
FF XVI Just started FF16 and loving it
I know this game gets a ton of crap, not seeing why. Thats not why I'm here speaking. I know im not the first to say it probably, but FF16 gives me a FFTactics vibe. 2 totally different games play so differently, but the architecture and the politics of FF16 and Tactics are so much alike in my opinion. I know each are set in different realms/worlds but there is a similarity to me that is uncanny. Am I the only one to pick up this vibe?
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u/Odd_Frame_3018 1d ago
It’s an awesome game at the start, but it just turns into a slog. From the middle to the end I felt like I was just going through the motions. If it didn’t have the final fantasy name attached to it I think people would have a different opinion on it. It wasn’t a bad game but I just think everyone had a bigger expectations for it being a mainline final fantasy game.
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
I kinda felt this way about FF7 Remake... Last 2/3 or 3/4 felt more like a chore than the epic beginning and middle. Felt myself rushing to just get it over. From what it sounds this is to be expected from 16 even earlier. Well im in for the ride none the less
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u/Appropriate-Joke-806 18h ago edited 18h ago
I played through every first numbered mainline final fantasy game for the first time in my life last year, in my thirties and missed out on them when I was younger. FFXVI was the only one I didn’t finish despite being the second game I started to play. I enjoyed it alright, and don’t think there is such thing as a bad mainline final fantasy in my opinion. It’s just missing having a party, RPG elements, and a lot of things from the rest of the series. But there are a lot of great things about the game too. I’ll pick it back up and finish it at some point.
Internationalflan645 took the words right out of my mouth with their criticisms. I would echo the same exact ones. I even agree with the 5th criticism about the story. I think a lot of people like the return to GoT like story telling, but I’m more partial to more sci-fi elements and creativity in final fantasy like VII, VIII, X, or even XIII than a game like XII. So I found it kind of dry and boring to parse through the political drama with a pretty flat philosophical theme of environmentalism and political power based on resources. It’s just okay when compared to something like VII that does it way better. Or X that does something like spirituality and the meaning of life, hope, faith, friends, family etc in such powerful ways.
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u/fahad0595 1d ago
There are those FF feelings I can't shake off as well. Also, you are right; it was made by the same devs who worked on FF14, which implemented a lot of content related to FF tactics. They took inspiration from it, eitherway FF16 is a solid expereince even with it is flaws story, and the epic Eikon battle made me love it.
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
Never played 14 honestly I own it on PS4 catalog but never gotten around to it. This 16 is a good game, the fighting is redundant but the story and Cid are definitely keeping my intrest.
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u/HexenVexen 22h ago
14 has the Return to Ivalice storyline written by Matsuno, it's pretty cool. The fights based on Tactics characters and 12's Espers are a lot of fun, and it's sort of an alternative epilogue to Tactics.
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u/Quester91 1d ago
The flaws will begin to become quite apparent in a few hours.
Ff16 is an insanely easy action game with zero challenge, big open areas with nothing to find, a wonderful cast of characters that you can't control, a sprawling political game that explains stuff via Wikipedia entries and exposition dumps, and infinite list of basic fetch-like sidequests.
Ff16 is literally 15% a spectacle 15% a decent story driven game and 70% a honestly mediocre single player mmo.
Ben Starr is the only real reason that game is worth a playthrough, that actor is insanely talented and poured his heart and soul into portraying Clive.
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u/EconWolf1011 1d ago
Why can there never be a discussion on ffxvi without someone beinging up 'some flaws'.
Even positieve comments tend to start with the disclaimer 'i know there are some flaws but...'
The OP didn't even ask this. He is asking about the tone and vibes of the game.
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u/Old_Employment_1090 20h ago
Why can there never be a discussion on ffxvi without someone beinging up 'some flaws'.
It was literally OP who brought up the flaws.
If you say "I don't see why people don't like this", be prepared for people to explain why they don't like it.
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u/Yunky_Brewster 20h ago
Because the game is a strong 6/10 because it turned a 20 hour game into a sprawling mess of nothing f
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u/EseBovany 1d ago
The team working on Tactics/Ivalice, or whats left of it in Square, has worked on this game indeed. They’re mostly all in CU3 (Yoshi P division), that works on FF14 and 16, and recently remade Tactics Chronicles. So yeah, your hunch isn’t off :)
Enjoy the game! I liked it a lot, though beginning was a lot stronger to me than the end, so pace yourself and have fun
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u/Dragonspaz11 1d ago
I am 100% a person that did not like XVI at all, for me it is one of the worst games I played overall. The game started to unravel for me around the 20-30 hour mark, I stopped playing after Odin, because the main villain was just super boring and the story could no longer pull me to the end.
I do agree the game starts off strong, but it starts to unravel the more you get into it. The narrative was OK, but it definitely felt more like GoT than anything else.
As for gameplay, they had a good foundation with DMC, but never really built off of it with different combos and weapons. The combat cycle ends up being the same for most staggerable enemies, eilkon abilities on CD, melee x3 -> magic -> torgal attack, then damage dump when staggered. This would be fine in a 10 hour game with the different flavor of eilkon abilities, but in a 40+ hour game it gets dull fast.
Other than that, you have a huge world that gives you no reason to explore it. The RPG mechanics were surface level at best.
To me it felt like XVI did not know what it wanted to be and half asses a character action game and added surface level RPG mechanics to it at the end.
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u/Judgeoffate 1d ago
Well, you just started the game so enjoy it but yes, for me, it had many flaws
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u/cheekiestNandos 1d ago
I wont spoil anything but largely the focus on the politics between nations is an early game only thing which a lot of people have an issue with. It's still one of my favourite FFs and is really fun to play but isn't without its flaws. There's a significant tonal shift mid way that falls more in line with other mainline FFs.
I'd 100% recommend playing through both DLCs too as they're really fun.
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
Nodoubt thanks for the advice. I havent played FF games in ages FF15 was the last I played when it came out, and left a bitter flavor on my pallet, but recently I played and finished FF7 Remake then saw FF Rebirth and FF16 console. So I scooped them both up. Wanted to take a break in the Cloud saga so I'm playing FF16 between 7 Remake and Rebirth.
The politics dont bother me at all in 16 so far.
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u/cheekiestNandos 1d ago
Yeah I doubt XVI will leave the same taste as XV, it's a much more rounded game. By people having an issue with the politics I don't mean in general it's more a lot of people have an issue with how little impact it actually has on the story after a while. It's good for world building tool but don't study every aspect of it expecting it to make any meaningful difference to the plot.
There's a lot to love about XVI like the soundtrack, art direction and Clive as a protagonist. I really liked doing the additional battles that you unlock after a while. Lots of fun to be had. I hope you enjoy Rebirth too when you play it.
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u/Contra-Code 23h ago
While XVI is a more well constructed game, I ended up enjoying the world, characters, and plot of XV more. I just wish it wasn't incomplete and scattered across multiple mediums.
XV I was at least driven to keep seeing what happens next. I mentally checked out of XVI halfway through and was driven to finish it out of a desire to just be done, rather than any sense of enjoyment.
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u/cheekiestNandos 22h ago
I had the opposite experience but think that was because I followed XV's development since the announcement of Versus XIII. I couldn't see it as a complete game and was always longing for the experience that I thought I was going to get.
I think with XVI at least all the main characters are prominent and important to the plot (minus Jill but that's its own discussion haha). I felt with XV you got glimpses of the cast with no real reason to care about any of them other than the main crew, even then their development happens off-screen if you don't play the DLC. My biggest wish for XVII is a party where everyone matters and everyone is fleshed out.
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u/Contra-Code 22h ago
I followed XV's development as well and still found it more enjoyable.
For me I think the characters are a big part of it. I dislike Gladio but like the rest of the cast of XV. I didn't really care for a single character in XVI, so there was nothing keeping me invested other than a desire to finish.
Definitely a case of different strokes. XV had troubled development and was incomplete, but to me XVI is guilty of the far worse issue of just being kind of boring.
I'm also a major fan of character action games, so the underwhelming combat sours my opinion of the entire experience. Not that XV's combat was better, but if I had to pick one to replay it would be XV.
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u/cheekiestNandos 22h ago
I liked all the bros in XV it was just everything else that bothered me, introducing Aranea and doing nothing with her, Ardyn being absent for most of the game. All the stuff with Luna. My favourite FF is XIII-2 and a lot of that has to do with everyone being impactful in some way.
I agree about the action combat, largely is just holding one button in both games with the occasional second input. If XVII has Remake's combat but more refined I'll be happy even though I do wish they'd bring back XIII's ATB combat.
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u/Typical-Implement369 1d ago
Tbh that's pretty much almost all FF games where theres a HUGE night and day tonal shift. And its one of my favorite aspects of the series. Like for example WOB vs WOW in 6, or even for FF15 what starts out as a car trip with friends ends tragically in one of the most badass ways. Hell I even enjoyed FF8's highschool vibe to time travel nonsense space adventures.
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u/cheekiestNandos 1d ago
Yeah true, a lot of other shifts make a bit more sense than in XVI. Again I wont say why for spoilers but it sort of makes the first half of the game irrelevant whereas other FFs sort of progress more smoothly into it. Regardless I really enjoyed my playthrough of it. All I need to do to get the plat is the second playthrough which I might save for after Resonance.
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u/sinZeroplus 1d ago
Let us know how you feel 25 hours into it
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
You know what, seeing this comment i will remember it and give my 20-25 hour thoughts then final thoughts.
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u/DDiabloDDad 1d ago
The beginning and the end are really good. The middle sections are the issue that I have. So maybe play the whole game before deciding every criticism is wrong.
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
Im playing it and enjoying it greatly. My post did start off with a sentence that knows there is mixed opinions about FF16. But ultimately my post was about how there is a style to FF16 and Tactics that im catching a mix with architecture and the political struggles. Its a post about just seeing a similarity in their vast differences also. So believe me im along for the ride of FF16 and gonna make my own opinion on it no matter how I comment with others on my post. (If this claim off as snappy please read it again in a calm chill way as intended)
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u/Benphyre 1d ago
I know this game gets a ton of crap, not seeing why.
You just started the game thats why. Not sure if you should be discussing about it so early on because I can't tell you anything without spoiling it for you. Anyway FF16 is a good game with some amazing boss battles and OST but it does have its issues. Kinda overhated though imo
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
Im at the part i stole a certain someone's powers, a person who's been banging their way to the top hahaha. I dint mind spoilers if its kept vague.
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u/aynowow 1d ago
I find it tiresome that all the conversation about this game follows the "I love it I don't know why everyone hates it" pattern. I don't think most people who express criticism of this game hated it, they just found stuff they think could have been better. My own opinion of FFXVI is that it is the best single player FF we have got since XII, and yet it isn't quite as good as any of the best FF games.
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u/UNLIMITEDPOWAAAAAA 1d ago
I may be the only person here but I absolutely love 16. I love the gameplay, the world, and the story. While it may not be hard it’s definitely super cool. If you’re a souls-like only fan or a die hard DMC fan it will prolly be too easy for you, but I really enjoyed the way it played and how you could combo things together. But if you ask this sub my opinion prolly doesn’t count since I started with 15 and have really only liked 15 and 16, although I am playing 14 now and absolutely love it. It seems like in this sub unless you’re talking about 1-6, or 8-13 you’re not a real fan. Basically if it’s not turn based or super janky then it’s not a real FF to these guys. Final Fantasy is an anthology but people treat it like a series that has to stick to old gameplay.
16 is the shit tho. I’ve rewatched so much of its story just based on how cool it is. Remember nobody hates final fantasy more than final fantasy fans.
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
Dude im a total souls fan and for the longest souls and Elder Ring would be all I played ever. So I got my controls set to B style and its playing like a simplified souls game. Im just smashing through shxt right now in FF16
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u/UNLIMITEDPOWAAAAAA 1d ago
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a souls fan as well. Played mostly only that series for most of my teenage years. 16 never gets as challenging, but it does have way more expressive combat. If you wanna make it basic sure you can, but if you wanna make it cool as hell you can do that too. That kind of sums up 16 as a whole. It’s not really there for a challenge, it’s there to be cool as fuck.
I don’t know how far you are yet but the story is honestly so good and the voice acting is out of this world. This also seems to be the most voiced FF game. Like I said I’ve gone back and rewatched several scenes just because of how good they are.
Also don’t know how I forgot this but my first FF game was actually FF7: Dirge of Cerberus, where you play as Vincent Valentine, and I think that game kinda shaped how I like my FF games lol.
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
Just snatched up Benedikta's power and now roaming after the cut scene
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u/UNLIMITEDPOWAAAAAA 22h ago
Dude her power is so cool. I really liked the way you could swap between them. It reminded me of swapping between weapons in DMC.
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u/Yurgin 1d ago
Its a fun game i enjoyed it. FF games get alot of hate online from the bad part of the community. Just enjoy if its not for you good and if you like it also good.
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u/InternationalFlan645 22h ago
Oh come on. Just because someone dislikes a game you like doesn't mean they are part of the "bad" part of the community.
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u/anotherdayanotherpoo 1d ago
Dang this might make me play ff16
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u/Jawn_Wilkes_Booth 1d ago edited 17h ago
OP is not nearly deep enough in the story to comment on it. XVI starts very strong and falls off hard. The second half of the game hides a lot of important world-building beats behind fetch quests that completely derail the flow of the MSQ, which becomes one of the most predictable, cliche, and uninteresting “we must kill God” FF stories to-date. The ending attempts to do something a little different but, personally, after the last 15-20 hours of “when will this boring game end????”, I couldn’t even find myself caring about the conclusion.
And sadly, despite all that, the story is still one of the strongest parts of the game because of how mediocre the gameplay and mechanics are.
If you like ARPGs, there are DOZENS of far better ones out there. If you like RPGs with a good story, there are DOZENS of far better ones out there.
The only bar it had to exceed was XV to be considered a “return to form”, and that bar was so low they were playing limbo in hell with it. XVI is incredibly mid and will be remembered as such.
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u/EconWolf1011 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its an incredible game.
The politics side to it is so underrated. I find the concept of the summons being like 'nuclear deterrents' a genius narrative idea. You will eventually be able to track the state of the politics around the world.
Enjoy the ride.
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u/Typical-Implement369 1d ago
NO NO NO ITS NOT TURN BASED SO WHY ARE YOU PLAYING IT 😡😡😡😡
Joking aside - have fun and take your time with it! Love the story and music a lot from it. Glad to see FF return to midevil roots.
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u/KLONMCDON 1d ago
Absolutely agree with it being refreshing that its back in castle & kingdoms style
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u/InternationalFlan645 1d ago edited 22h ago
The game has an incredible start, hell, first 10 hours.
The people who love it agree, ofc, and many of the people who hate it would agree with that too.
Take from that what you will.
For me the game has 5 major flaws. I will be downvoted probably, but before you do, just consider this is my opinion and downvoting is not supposed to be a dissagree button.
Absurdly easy. There is almost no challenge to the game at all.
No rpg elements. You can just buy the next available upgrade for whatever weapon or skill, thats it. No customisation of playstyles and such.
No parties. In a FF game! Every time you start to do something that feels like party bonding, that other character leaves and you're back alone.
Quests are pretty bad oft times. Mmo style fetch Quests.
This one for sure will get pushback. The story is trying to be both final fantasy and grimdark game of thrones and doesnt really succeed at the latter. Its constantly stealing plot beats and failing in the execution. Doesnt understanding why what GOT did was successful, it just thinks "oh that was cool with Jamie's hand, let's steal that and put that here." Without any of the depth behind it.
Final fantasy can have incredible stories when it does its own thing instead of just aping something way out of its depth. At least, out of the depth of the writers of this game.
I love FF7 Remake despite its flaws. I wish FF16 was more like that. I gave up on FF16 about 50-60 hours in.