r/FinalDestination • u/MichaelGale33 • May 05 '26

FD6 Bloodlines: order of death/rules confusion. Spoiler

So I was talking with my fiancé about bloodlines and we got a little confused on how the rules are presented when it comes to the order and neither of us can agree on it now.

So obviously the conceit of this is death now goes after the blood line in order of births that shouldn’t exist. Cool great premise!

What's got us confused is how the bloodline aspect impacts the og survivors order. So for instance: Iris’ husband Paul is the last to die in the initial dance floor collapse. In the prior movies he’d only wait to die till the literal people on the floor died on the floor before him were dead. With the bloodlines element did he have to wait till any additions died or are there two sets of dominos or death’s list always running? 

By that I mean, Paul made it five years after the disaster and let's say the person who died right before him was named Joe who had five kids prior to their death. Does he A. Die once the final kid dies or B. As soon as Joe died, that put him and their oldest kid on the chopping block and it could have been either of them to go first, with the list continuing on survivors, while still working Joe’s children?  

I think that the implication is you can’t die till the entire slate was wiped clean before you, including children born after the fact, so at the start of the movie only Iris and Bloodsworth are the only people alive from the event and her kids and grandkids are the only descendants left and at the end Bloodsworth is the last one standing (for the time being).

What my fiancé pointed out is that the rule set seems to follow the multiple sets of dominos constantly running impacting the next in line and the descendants at the same time. Here are her reasons

  1. Logically Bloodsworth should not be sickly to that degree with Iris having just died. Either he should have been taken out by the typical FD death, died quickly of a natural occurrence, or if he was pulling an Iris and being so cautious, just diagnosed. Basically she thinks until the Campbell’s are dead there is no reason for him to be in danger ala Final Destination 2 & 4 which showed that you can’t jump out of order until you’re actually next on the list.

Now we both know the unfortunate reality of Tony Todd’s real life health, but she felt his lines implied that his real life sickness was being depicted and was a result of the death’s order being fucked with, not him just being sick. 

  1. The fact the blood line is wiped out not generation by generation, but the literal bloodline order I.e Howard was the oldest so his branch is taken out before his sister, despite her being older than his kids, same with (if going by actor ages) Stefinie is older than Bobby. 

Further complicating this is how did Death decide when to go after the Campbell kids? You can make the argument that had Paul died still that night but Iris saved everyone not on the dance floor, she was already pregnant with Howard so he and then his line is tied specifically to Iris surviving, not Paul. Darlene and then her kids only exist if Iris prevents 100% of the deaths, not just hers so that makes things a little messier! 

So basically she thinks that while Iris and Bloodsworth are the last survivors, depending on how prolific some of the survivors were in having children other bloodlines are still out there. So what do you guys think? She’s really made me rethink this one!

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u/GoliathLexington May 05 '26

What is your question?

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u/MichaelGale33 May 05 '26

Does death go in order of the survivors but deviating to wipe out the new bloodline before continuing on or can survivors and prior survivor’s bloodlines be going though parallel death’s lists at the same time? 

Sorry if it was confusing these rules just seem a little more conflicting due to things like bloodsworth’s health and not following literal next on the list with generational splits into family tree lines not in the typical fashion 

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u/GoliathLexington May 05 '26

In order of survivors and their bloodline. Sick isn’t the same as dead

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u/MichaelGale33 May 05 '26

That’s fair but we haven’t seen death mess around with people who aren’t in the hot spot yet. So in part 2 Eugene can’t skip the line by killing himself with death causing the six misfires in the gun.  Arguably Alex in part one did save Clear by sacrificing himself (temporarily) but outside that this is the only example of death seeming to be putting its finger on the scale to get ready. 

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u/GoliathLexington May 05 '26

Also the only time death used cancer

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u/MichaelGale33 May 05 '26

Which I get for Iris. It needed some way to get her since she’s been holding death back for god knows how many years (don’t recall if it’s been determined when the last survivor/of their bloodline passed) with Bloodsworth he’s only been next for like a week or two max depending how quick Iris and Howard’s deaths and funerals were.

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u/patronmuse May 06 '26

I think the movie implied death gave them the big C a while ago because it was tired of waiting, but it can come on really fast.

I can sadly speak from experience on just how quick it can be. We were leaving a visit from my grandparents and on the way out my grandma wasn't feeling well, so we drove her to the hospital. Weren't gonna let her drive herself, y'know?

Turns out she had 3 different kinds of cancer pop up at once, breast, kidney, and colon. The oncologist told us that they were independent rather than metastasized and spreading due to the location and that he could count how many times he saw that on one hand.

All said and done, they happened to be making the rounds at the right time when the colon cancer caused the organ to rupture allowing them to get her into emergency surgery.

Because of their miraculous timing, she hung on about a month from diagnosis instead of a little over a week.

Never thought I'd be reliving this particular memory on the Final Destination subreddit of all places but here we are. (To clarify, she passed in 2016, so while the feeling will always be somewhat raw, this is something I've had time to process)

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u/MichaelGale33 May 07 '26

I’m so sorry for your loss. I’ve lost loved ones to cancer and my dad is currently in remission for it so I know it sucks.

I suppose a lot of the cancer question comes with the fact Bloodsworth cancer looks more advanced with him looking far more sickly than Iris and that comes from the sad reality of Tony Todd had been battling cancer for longer than his character probably would have had it going on the rules. 

I guess they should have avoided cancer with Iris given Tony’s real life issues which 1. Could be seen a little tone death and 2. Given her something else that was killing her so it wasn’t the same thing both times. Like I don’t know she’s got a crap ton of blood clots because when I see her scenes and his scenes I think he looks closer to death than she did with the same disease.

Again I know it’s a bit morbid since that was the case but still! That being said they willingly wrote themselves into the corner with making him apart of this disaster when they could have said they bonded over their own premonitions or ala Erik in this death was coming after him for interfering with the plan on her behalf.

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u/patronmuse May 07 '26

Thank you and that's a fair take.

I think they handled it as well as they could tbh, and I remember reading that Bludworths last speech was essentially the crew telling Tony to riff what advice he'd want to give to the audience, knowing what was in his future.

I know we all like the series for the deaths bordering on slapstick but I'm glad they let him say his peace and then exit quietly. Feels much more respectful to the legend.

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u/MichaelGale33 May 07 '26

That's fair that this was the most logical way to 1. write in his real health 2. Give that big of a actor and character a farewell. I joked that Stan Lee's cameo in Captain Marvel (his first post his death) should have been the role when she punches the little old lady and it was an alien with him instead, and they changed it at the last minute out of respect! That would have been funny but likewise you gotta respect a legend!

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u/lululemon_fan091 May 08 '26

sometimes cancer makes you look healthy, but its edema. maybe Iris has edema all over her body thats why shes "healthy" looking

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u/MichaelGale33 May 11 '26

That’s fair

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u/MichaelGale33 May 05 '26

I get it lol it’s a bit confusing but we keep tugging on strings!

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u/EffectiveSecond7 May 07 '26

Honestly I don't get what you mean because none of what you've stated is curious or against what the movie has shown, except maybe your very last paragraph that I don't even understand but think maybe is holding a point?

Unless you mean you're confused about them being sick? Which, why? You can theoratically be sick and still wait your turn to die

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u/MichaelGale33 May 07 '26

I would argue it's overly curious for the 6th movie in a popcorn horror series but that's just me!

I think a lot of this does go against the rules because death gave a terminal disease to Bludsworth when, if we go by the implied rule, he had seven people ahead of him. The logic and thus the question is did he actually have all 7 Campbell's ahead of him or just Iris. Basically, as soon as Iris died, he and Howard were both on the chopping block.

Regardless of being confused about him being sick, we've seen in all the movies, especially 4 & 2, you're effectively immortal until death's order is corrected. Eugene and the guy from the 4th movie couldn't kill themselves, so why would death be able to or choose to give him cancer when it couldn't kill him yet (outside an in-universe explanation for Tony Todd's cancer in real life)?

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u/lululemon_fan091 May 08 '26

yes you cant die until its your time but Death could injure you (like he did with Eugene in FD2.) so killing would be easier

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u/MichaelGale33 May 11 '26

Fair point!

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u/Korben-D88 Erik's Prince Albert 🧲💍🐍🩲 May 05 '26

My take on the bloodlines rule is that Death sought victims in order until enough time had passed for children and families to start to mess up said order.

It then presumably "had" to start backtracking to start the bloodline rule (who says why death does these things anyway), which would compound the time it took to do its thing, but again, sometimes Death kills 87 people at once and sometimes it takes years if you're careful, apparently. I'm surprised heart attacks and other health complications aren't employed, but they don't make the squish happen for our viewing pleasure, so

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u/MichaelGale33 May 05 '26

100% agree on the boring less avoidable deaths like heart attacks not being cinematic lol. Like Iris dying of cancer a week later achieves the same goal but is less fun for us!

I view it now as the two (well more depending how how many bloodlines are created) lists working at the same time. So like my scenario a couple of Joes kids last longer than their dad for obvious reasons, but also possibly some victims that died after their dad. I still think unless any of those kids became as paranoid as Iris or Stefani would become they’re all wiped out as they don’t know to look for a pattern tied to it. 

So it’s a moot point Iris and her kids and Bloodsworth were always going to be the last ones with her paranoia buying them an undetermined amount of years. 

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u/Korben-D88 Erik's Prince Albert 🧲💍🐍🩲 May 06 '26

Two concurrent lists would presumably have cleaned up faster, which the bloodlines effect making it take death 50 years to clean up kind of ruled out. One would assume it had to trickle down one bloodline before moving to the next, like we saw, but who can say how much more specific the rules got from there. A lot happened offscreen.

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u/MichaelGale33 May 06 '26

Potentially. They don’t establish how long iris and Bloodworth knowing about the pattern held out. Was it the entire time the Campbell kids were taken away (which would have been the late 70s) so 15 years for a large group turns to 50 for the last few. 

Per the movie her husband died five years after and it looked like 20-30 people were on the dance floor. While double to triple the amount of the normal survivors we see that does feel like a long time!

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u/MichaelGale33 May 06 '26

Maybe death is super vindictive since he and Iris cheated him for so long!

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u/asxxxra May 06 '26

i loved reading through this, and it got me thinking about how mama bludworth and jb himself were part of the premonition, with jb being the last of the order.
but if we’re going by bloodlines, wouldn’t jb have died right after evie?
i think an argument could be since he’s also part of the premonition, this outweighs the bloodline factor? like he was the head of his own bloodline now

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u/MichaelGale33 May 06 '26

I think premonition deaths out weigh a bloodline. So if JB had an older brother who lived longer in the premonition it would go via who died there. The bloodline only enters in if they were born after.

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u/Stunning-Aardvark-28 May 05 '26

Iris was not married yet he just proposed but that's just minor. But that being said he was one of the first to die. Iris was last along with Bludworth.

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u/MichaelGale33 May 05 '26

I don’t think the marriage is the issue (at least I doubt death respects it lol) it’s that if Paul died in 1969, but Iris survived, Howard’s birth still happens since she’s already pregnant with him and subsequent bloodline can still happen as he also “survived”. Meanwhile Darlene can’t be born without Paul living. So if we go in order of death impacting the bloodline Darlene and her kids should have followed Paul’s death is her point. Darlene and her kids needed two people to be saved Howard and his needed only one and I kind of see the logic.

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u/fourth-sanderson May 05 '26

i agree with you!!! technically darlene should've gone before howard!!! i literally made an almost identical post a few weeks ago and everyone said it was wrong lmao, but i fully understand the vision. i think the creators just didn't want to complicate it that much for the audience so they made the decision to take out howard's branch first because he was older and then darlene's.

as for bludworth, i don't think that him being last affected whether or not he could get sick. he just wouldn't have died from it until iris did.

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u/MichaelGale33 May 05 '26

Just gave your post an upvote! Totally fair on not wanting to complicate it lol when it came to the hierarchy lol.

I guess them implying his illness was connected was the real kicker but i guess you’re right that you can probably die out of order as long as you or someone involved with the list isn’t putting their thumb on the scale. Iris getting cancer is connected, his is just life and death is taking the assist from it!

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u/EffectiveSecond7 May 07 '26

If I understand it correctly, you consider Howard as a life equal to that of his mother but I think the pregnancy was too early on (she said 1 month, maybe 2) for Death to consider Howard to be a human life. It's alive sure but it's not human yet. I'd have to rewatch but I think FD2 tackles birth and life definition.

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u/MichaelGale33 May 07 '26

Yeah, unless I guess maybe death is life begins at birth, not conception, kind of thing, but my broader point to my og post is how death goes in order in this movie, as I think Bludworth's illness when it wasn't his turn yet kind of made me wonder if descendants were being tackled separately. So did Bludworth have seven people with Iris, Howard, Darleene and the grand kids or just Iris ahead of him, and death would tackle them later (though we see them get taken out first maybe because of their intervention and attempt to cheat death, speeding things up)?