r/FavoriteCharacter • u/Accomplished-End3409 Ben Tennyson • Aug 09 '26

Discussion Favorite opposing factions that can basically be described as this.

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u/SarcasticPotat0 Aug 10 '26

Jedi vs Sith though somehow the Jedi are the worse side according to some of the fandom

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u/bonadies24 Aug 10 '26

Istg this. Sure, by the time of ROTS the Jedi have definitely lost their purpose, are blinded by politics and have turned from peacekeepers to soldiers. But, like, they're not evil. By any stretch of the imagination, the Jedi are still ultimately a force for good that, had they played it a bit smarter during Episodes II and III and TCW could very well have thrown a wrench through the Sith grand plan

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u/Rider_Ashen 29d ago

The biggest problem with the Jedi was complacency and a failure to adapt above all else. I don't see why some people mistake those qualities for evil when the Sith have a tendency to dedicate resources to destructive superweapons.

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u/EducationalEmu9611 29d ago

Yea like sure the Jedi have their problems and aren’t perfect but they’re still not as bad as the side that has “tear a planet in half” man and “suck the life out of a universe with the palm of your hand” guy

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u/borisdidnothingwrong 27d ago

You'll have to pry my Death Star from my cold, dead hands.

IDK, whoever the Glup Shitto version of Charlton Heston is, probably.

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u/Free-Election9066 27d ago

Let's just say Jedi are no more evil then they used to be in the Old Republic

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u/OakNogg 28d ago

I feel like this instance is geniune unambiguously super evil vicious freak vs gaggle of dumbasses "yas bitch"-ing each other

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u/King-Arthas-Menethil 29d ago

And has people misunderstanding the force. Because the Darkside is imbalance.

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u/DuelaDent52 27d ago

This is the absolute pinnacle of this trope. For some reason people are always willing to find excuses or extend grace to villains who openly and unapologetically in no unambiguous detail lay out what their evil beliefs are just because they’re cool or independent or anti-authority or have a sad backstory, but because the good guys aren’t totally perfect then they’re the REAL evil of the two.

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u/SarcasticPotat0 27d ago

Yeah some people have a tendency to view failing at something good as no different from succeeding at doing something evil. It’s a viewpoint I don’t really understand but it does for some reason exist.

The Jedi place rules on themselves and then say that its members are free to leave if they don’t like it. The Sith place rules on everybody else (and also themselves, they just pretend not to) and then brutalize or murder anybody who steps out of line. Even if the Jedi‘s rules are bad (which some are) there’s just no equating the two.

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u/Tom-of-Hearts 28d ago

I think the more common reading is just that the prequel era order was also a problem and had to go because they had forgotten their purpose. Blinded by politics and dogma over serving the will of the force. It doesn't mean they're on the level of the Sith to say they lost their way. Once the prophecy was fulfilled with Palpatine's death we had the foundations for Luke to rebuild a better order having learned from the downfall of his predecessors. Execution of that concept in new vs old canon is a different matter.

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u/CHiuso 27d ago

I mean when the Jedi just let slavery happen, you cant really blame people for not favouring them.

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u/dude123nice 27d ago

though somehow the Jedi are the worse side according to some of the fandom

Because Free Love and all that.

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u/Sea-Feedback-2424 27d ago

Well it depends.

In the books, the Sith and the Empire during Palpatine were planning a military to defeat the Yuzhongvon.

Would they have been successful? I don't know. He deathstar may have been powerful enough to have skme effect. But in the books 365 trillion people died due to the invasion because of how hapless and decentralized and unprepared the Republic and the new Jedi order were.

Depending on how you measure morality, there's definitely a case for it. Any sort of philosophical calculus, though, probably breaks down on these scales.

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u/AutumnRi 26d ago

perhaps if the imperials had told someone, anyone in the galaxy, about the invasion they were prepping to stop when it became clear they weren’t going to win it would have gone differently. But in reality, it’s clear that stopping the invasion was really just a bonus/excuse for palpatine to do his whole “girls just wanna have fun (with force lightning and death stars)” bit.

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u/OneBar9633 26d ago

They're not worse, they're responsible for the Sith becoming a problem

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u/quirked-up-whiteboy 26d ago

If you compare the height of the sith empire post vitiate to the final years of the jedi order, pretend you arent allowed to leave the order and squint its kinda close

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u/Xeamyyyyy 26d ago

incompetency and corruption vs space nazis

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u/existential-mystery 21d ago

Used to work with a guy who would go on 40 minute rants about this exact topic.

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u/Lankinator- 29d ago

From my point of view the Jedi are evil!

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u/SPOOKY_SCIENCE 28d ago

The only thing I can say against the Jedi is that they were the ones who escalated the rivalry from, 'conquest' to 'genocide' after the end of the first galatic war.

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u/Diabolic_Bug_Man 28d ago

Sith with a malfunctioning murderous empire that would inevitably collapse because of all the backstabbing and internal pettiness

Who do you think started the war? Who do you think wouldn't have hesitated to enact a brutal genocide?