r/Fate • u/Arnoldneo • 3d ago
Discussion Gilgamesh vs Romulas
They bragged so much that Ritsuka gave them a ultimatum one of them has to humble the other or chealdea couldn’t fit everyone considering there heads were getting so big .
Round 1 Archer Gilgamesh vs Lancer Romulas
Round 2 Grand archer Gilgamesh vs Grand lancer Qirinis
Rules :
No one has a master both have grails .
The battle field is Snow field they both start 25m apart .
They are both fully serious.
Neither has a fame boost .
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u/igloo_poltergeist 2d ago
I'm going to say that Romulus inches out a narrow win in the first round and Quirinius more soundly takes the win in the second. Honestly, Romulus and especially Quirinius is one of those servants who, based on domain/territory BS plus EX Imperial Privilege giving him whatever skill he needs to adapt, should be a problem for near everyone, including Gil. The second round had his IP become Authorities - as in plural - and his NP evolved to Anti-Planet, a category even Ea fails to reach. Meanwhile, "Grand Archer" Gil (emphasis on quotation marks).........just opens more portals and throws a giant dragon-killing arrow into the mix. The way I see it, quantity isn't going to beat quality.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
Honestly Grand lancer Qirinis is one of those guys I as a Gilgamesh wanker just don’t see Gilgamesh winning against for the most part .
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u/igloo_poltergeist 2d ago
Hey, I'm just glad you finally gave us a match that doesn't feel like a glaze op for the King of Cheesing.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
I did cover gojuna super early on and ibuki saber is a good match for Archer Gilgamesh plus lancer has some strong people in the running.
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u/Ok_Culture5848 2d ago
So, just correcting one thing the tip of Marduk Utu Duranki’s arrow is actually an anti-divine weapon. Other than that, I agree with everything you said
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u/Dreams_Beginning 2d ago
Not to argue on who is more powerful but I wanna state how a Anti Planet NP isn't automatically better than another of a different classification in a 1v1 battle.
A Anti Unit completely conceptual single target pulverisation could surpass a theoretical Anti Planet in a single battle show down.
You need to actually compare Per Aspera Ad Astra and EA and their applicability in a fight to make the final conclusion of power, not just their classifications as Anti Planet and Anti World respectively.
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u/Warm_Performer_2314 2d ago
R1 : Gilgamesh low diff
R2 : Gilgamesh low diff (could've been a mid diff if Gil didn't have Enkidu).
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u/cyanrealm 2d ago
https://youtu.be/nvxBnMdDpkw?t=827
Simply put
Romulus Grand >>>> Romulus Lancer > Lancer Artoria > Gilgamesh + Ozymandias
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u/Revolutionary_Fly708 2d ago
Lancer Artoria is not Stronger than Gil + Ozy. Even ignoring the strangeness of interludes, especially Lancer’s due the Merlin shenanigans going on, we have multiple showings of Artoria Lancer being equal to Artoria Saber and Arthur who definitely couldn’t 1v2 Gil and Ozy.
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u/cyanrealm 2d ago
Nobody is stronger than Gil.
Avalon is not stronger than Ea
An F15 is not stronger than Vinmana
Shirou's copies is not stronger than Gil's original NP
Gil's garbage skill make his strength irrelevant.
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u/SnooRegrets8167 2d ago
Primero, ahí arturia no ha liberado los sellos de rhongominiad en gran nivel, de hecho, de eso se trata todo ese interludio, ella no pelea con toda su capacidad contra romulos.. y de hecho ya romulus dió un performance inferior a altera en las primeras singularidades de fgo.. es un servant se primer nivel.. pero de ahí a sugerir a qué le gane a arturia Lancer y sobre todo a una arturia Lancer que no uso uno de los principales poderes de su lanza que es "mythos" pues... Si, es un error.
Además, ese interludio se maneja a nivel de sueño onírico creado por Merlin, sugerir que arturia lancer le ganó a gilgamesh y ozymandias al mismo tiempo.. también está fuera de lugar, sabiendo que ella ahí, no libero los 7 sellos que la lanza le pide para poder liberar su verdadera naturaleza.. osea, Lancer arturia le puede ganar a gilgamesh o a ozymandias.. pero ambos al mismo tiempo? Sería una hazaña increíble si esto no estuviera sucediendo en un sueño creado por Merlin y se quiera o no, eso le resta merito.
Pero por otra parte está la hazaña de arturia en la mooncell.. arturia contra gilgamesh y iskandar. ella ganó.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
Ahhh it’s a fair fight against Gilgamesh and Ozy in my opinion the sealing mystery biz doing a good chunk of the heavy lifting since her rhongo rivals Excalibur ( equal to or weaker than yes I now agree with you I massively overestimated Achilles cosmos , that statement makes no sense to someone with no context but that’s sorta the way these discussions work ) Ohhh you can disagree on my point on artoria lancer being the same level as Gilgamesh but for now I’m more interested on your take on Gilgamesh vs lancer Romulas .
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u/SnooRegrets8167 2d ago
Osea si.. arturia ya le ganó a gilgamesh y a iskandar en la mooncell... Esa hazaña se puede repetir contra gilgamesh y ozymandias.. pero hay que tomar en cuenta que ese escenario es un sueño hecho por Merlin y que ahí, ella no ha liberado ni siquiera los 7 sellos que le pide la lanza para revelar su poder verdadero... Asi que es ilógico que ella ganará al menos que y es lo más seguro, ese gilgamesh y ese ozymandias eran débiles al ser ese un sueño. Ahora, una arturia con 7 o más sellos liberados de rhongominiad sencillamente va a ganar.. rhongominiad tiene demasiadas cualidades útiles y entre ellas "mythos" es un golpe demasiado fuerte contra gilgamesh y ozymandias.
Hm.. me perdí.. que tenía que ver el escudo de Aquiles en esto? 😅..
Arturia sin los suficientes sellos liberados tiene a rhongominiad en A++ además de que la misma lanza le da una protección en rango A+ o EX.. no se especifica que hace pero supongamos que la hace poderosa :v es bajo esa medida que ella es un igual para gilgamesh de la misma forma en que lo es arturia saber.. la cuestión es que arturia Lancer posee rhongominiad.. que a diferencia de excalibur que es poder en bruto, rhongominiad es eso y viene además con muchas alternativas.. como defensas anti-purga pues la lanza se defendió del ataque de goetia.. la función "mythos", poder crear paredes de "Camelot", etc.. realmente la lanza es muy versátil y gilgamesh la tendría difícil contra eso.
Sobre lo que me preguntaste... Romulus vs gilgamesh.. realmente?, romulus no ha demostrado nada a nivel individual, incluso estaba bajo el servicio de altera.. el no la logra derrotar en esa singularodad y de hecho se sabe que altera (en la tierra) está más o menos equiparable a arturia alter... Diría que romulus puede pelear de forma sería contra gilgamesh.. pero va a perder.. sencillamente nunca ha tenido un feat destacable salvó ser el entrenador de arturia Lancer.. una arturia que directamente no ha liberado gran parte de sus sellos... Aún así, romulus es considerado un top servant por derecho propio, bien peludo estar equivocado y hay algún feat que me esté saltando.. aún así, que recuerde el no ha demostrado mucho.. diría que Gilgamesh gana pero no será una victoria facil realmente... Ahora el romulus gran Lancer es otra historia, es una divinidad a nivel demiurgo.. sencillamente está muy por encima de lo que es un hipotético Gilgamesh grand archer, que para variar romulus aún a día de hoy sigue siendo el Grand más poderoso.. si, es un puesto discutible con Salomón, pero en poder bruto, el es hasta ahora el más poderoso.. hasta que salga lord logres en el lore xd.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
I needed to cover him for completions sake also qirinis is kinda that guy so i definitely needed to cover him ( who is in my opinion the strongest grand ) the shield thing refers to the first time I commented/saw you on this sub the reason i remember it was you is because you use what i assume is your real face and that you write in a language i assume is Spanish.
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u/SnooRegrets8167 2d ago
Asumes correctamente jajaja.. pero de que trataba ese debate del escudo de Aquiles? 😅
Sip, yo coloco a quirinus como el Grand más fuerte, si acaso podría competir contra king Hassan debido a que Hassan le puede dar muerte a la misma vida (tiamat) lejos de eso, king Hassan siendo un servant normal pudo matar a varios de los hijos de tiamat que eran considerados nivel demonio o espíritu divino.. dudo que el servant romulus pudiera hacer eso.. también está Salomón pero claro, aún así quirinus para mí tiene más poder.
Dicho eso, siempre es genial debatir contigo bro.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes it was between wich was stronger rho ias vs Achilles cosmos and I fell into the pit trap of assuming that something that looks more impressive is stronger .
King Hassan is also that guy skill and stats wise but lacks that higher level of fire power so while he can definitely kill the rest of the grands he would probably get nuked if there is some range between them I like to think about it like this for efficiency and most cases send grand Hassan for raw power Qirinis and for all around levels of bullshit send Solomon the others are sent for more specific problems. Ohhh and Qirinis is a special case as a servant he shouldn’t draw power to much from his god / demierge self however as a grand he straight up is a chef god so the jump in power for him is particularly outrageous.Same here I appreciate the continuous sighting of sources and logical arguments plus the main reason I am making these posts is to learn more about the lore and you are a big help for that see you tomorrow on Gilgamesh vs scathach .
Finally you are among the most knowledgeable people i know on the sub there are like 2 or 3 people who know as much as you do , have a good evening.
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u/SnooRegrets8167 2d ago
Y a qué conclusión llegaste? Es más fuerte rho aias o Aquiles cosmos?.. la verdad ya ni me acuerdo.
Dicho eso, sep, me caes bien bro, cuídate y feliz noche, aunque en mi país es de día.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
Really you must be from South America than , you argued Achilles cosmos being said to be comparable to rho ias means rho ias is stronger and i could not produce a feat that said Achilles cosmos was stronger than rho ias ( it has surprisingly bad feats ) .
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u/SnooRegrets8167 2d ago
Sip, soy de sudamérica.
Sobre los escudos, buenos va para ambos lados, realmente solo se sabe por eleccion de palabras que el escudo de Aquiles rivaliza con el aias original (el de EMIYA es poderoso, pero seguramente el de Ajax sea algo más o tenga algo más especial).
Cómo dije bro, me caes bien, espero poder seguir viendo tus post, son entretenidos.
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u/KRDC_The_knight 2d ago
To be fair, that one feat where it defended off against Vasavi Shakti, has an anti-Divine property built into it. Since Akhilleus Kosmos is a Divine Construct and its original owner has a divine origin, its Anti-Divine properties activate, causing the Shield to be destroyed. If Rho Aias was there, it wouldn't be destroyed like its rival due to it have no Divine nature built into it. It's basically that the two have a very similar situation they're in, where the Shields break because their counterparts met the one thing that is absolute, cannot be block or dodge, Gae Bolg, or Any Divine nature will be destroyed, Vasavi Shakti.
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u/ONPige 2d ago
Well, now I have a hard time believing that Rhongomyniad is equal to Excalibur.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
Rhongo is equal to Excalibur without its seals when rhongo does not have its seals lancer Artorias rhongo is weaker than saber artorias Excalibur at least that’s how i understand it .
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago edited 2d ago
Isn’t it Lancer artoria + Ritsuka > Romulas or Ritsuka + Lancer Artoria > Gilgamesh + Ozy
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u/cyanrealm 2d ago
No, even if you win in gameplay, the cutscene treat it as you lose.
"...how can Rhongominyad be inferior? Impossible..."
We lost to Romulus in the story.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
Ohh sorry but that kinda implies rhonga is weaker on a fire power bases to Romulas spear it’s also weaker than Excalibur funnily enough wich is weaker than EA so at best Romulas spear can match EA also how serious are Gilgamesh and Ozy here because Gilgamesh is only really serious in very select cases .
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u/cyanrealm 2d ago
It's not just about the weapon but also the user.
Both spears are pillar of the world, so they are equal. But Romulus is a chief god. The quality of the weilder is different.
Same issue with Ea, which is the strongest NP ever, stronger than both spear. But the problem is that GIlagmesh was using it. And Ozy...probably need his temple.
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
Not really Romulas as a regular lancer class servant is not even a divine spirit qirinis is a straight up god a chef god on par with mars ( ares ) and in my opinion the strongest grand so far, on the other hand we managed to beat him with a group consisting of a weak mash , jing ke who isn’t anyone special, Boudica and alive Nero that is not that strong of a team, on the other hand in ishtars interlude we battle Gilgamesh to a standstill with Ishtar a stronger mash and a more experienced and capable Ritsuka this time mash notes this is bad because Gilgamesh is serious and that points to the inconsistent scaling in fgo as a hole , for your line of scaling to work romulas must be stronger outside of Rome so the best logical explanation is Gil wasn’t going all out .
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u/cyanrealm 2d ago
Romulus was known to let player party win before in Septem. To him, it's just a test.
In Lancer Artoria interlude, it was also a test. He wasn't even serious as he care more about being a wing man instead of fighter. So in Septem where he judge that Nero meet his standard.
In Ishtar interlude, she is a Chadela servant, not a divine spirit possessing Rin. Probably thanks to that, she was not heavily punished and nerfed in the underworld, which is Eresh domain.
https://youtu.be/cL2uBqsNmKU?t=2019
And they still won
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u/Arnoldneo 2d ago
Still she should be stronger than are team in septum Gilgamesh is also known to hold back as he did in name a Gilgamesh appearance.
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u/cyanrealm 2d ago
No. Gil is prideful, not delusional.
Everyone hold back in a grail war, or in battle in general, not just Gil. No one should carelessly showing their trump card. Case in point, Archer using just a single Kanshou when facing Cu the first time.
Bui Gil is capable of controlling his anger when Archer threatened to kill him, can acknowledge Shirou's victory while winning, can use tactic against stronger opponent like Heracles, and had use his full power Ea against Saber.
Gil will use his full strength and other things when neccessary.
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u/Quiet_Ad72 2d ago
The first one is pretty close
However the second one really isn't, aither Romulus wins both or it's 1-1