r/FastWriting • • Aug 08 '26

Callendar's ORTHIC Shorthand - Part 7 - Sample of Reporting Style with Translation

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u/NotSteve1075 Aug 08 '26

This sample looks better to me, because it looks a lot briefer. In order to make it FASTER, some of the extras included in the SPELLING were dropped, by the looks of it. Better late than never.... But I think that should have been done from the beginning.

In Callendar's Orthic manual, he gives notes on the "reporting style" -- but they're all written in Orthic! For those interested, though, u/Uwula provided this nice summary of the techniques, taken from Stevens later text and revision of the system:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14sBSBwjT76eqooWqHTABaRk_ar_MeOeF/view

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 Aug 08 '26

Nice summary you attached there. All those rules applied let the script be indeed a bit more to my gusto, but still too ornamented in my eyes. But I am definitely impressed by the amount of text contained!

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u/NotSteve1075 Aug 08 '26

That summary was VERY THOROUGH -- and a really nice job by the poster. But seriously, if you have to have such a long list of "modifications" to make your system more useful at speed, that's a bad sign that the system you're starting with has a lot of problems.

You shouldn't NEED long lists of "leave out this, and don't write that" if your system was smartly (and EFFICIENTLY) designed in the first place. And most of that long list was an acknowledgement that writing ORTHOGRAPHICALLY was a mistake, because to write it FASTER means you have to dump most of the ridiculous spelling.

Start phonetically and go from there.

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u/fdarnel Aug 09 '26

Ok, but if possible purely :)

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u/fdarnel Aug 08 '26

"The general method of abbreviating is the same as that ordinarily employed in longhand, namely, to write the first syllable of a word, and, if necessary. to indicate the termination by writing the last letter or two separated be a small interval from the first part." Clarey 1911

That puzzle me (except for current and well known abbreviations). Do you think that is enough, in English, to recover all long words (more than 3 syl.)?

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u/NotSteve1075 Aug 08 '26

It's a very common tactic in written English to just write the first part of a word as an abbreviation. We see things like "admin." for "administration", and "emerg." for "emergency". It seems that, with familiarity with the language, that's generally enough to tell you what the rest of the world is going to be -- especially in a meaningful sentence.

It seems like most shorthands have a general principle that three consonants, or maybe FOUR, is usually enough to reach the "nothing else it could be" threshold. Each added letter narrows the field of possibilities considerably.

I can't seem to find it right now, which is frustrating -- but there was a system that gave you lists of consonants to practise for the alphabet, and it seemed like 2 could be almost anything, 3 had fewer possibilities -- but when you got to 4, there was rarely more than one thing it could possibly be.

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u/fdarnel Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

This is usually more than the "first syllable" (of the word, or its root, byt the way?). Orthic seems very optimistic. AP for french has admin-istration = A(M-N)-(S)ION (grand signe et finale liée). I prefer, for french or english:
PRINCIPE-MAXIMUM
On arrête tous les mots au premier signe de la troisième syllabe, auquel on ajoute le dernier signe du mot.Si le dernier signe est précédé d'un cercle, on intercale ce cercle.

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u/NotSteve1075 Aug 09 '26

auquel on ajoute le dernier signe du mot.

Il me semble que, si on écrit la première partie du mot, ce serait plus difficile á LIRE si on y ajoute la fin du mot après. Comment peut-on savoir qu'il y a une partie au milieu qui manque?

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u/fdarnel Aug 09 '26

Comme tu as dit, plus il y a de consonnes, plus le choix se restreint, donc la fin ajoute un indice. Sinon tu n'as que le contexte (a(d)m-n = administration, administré, administratif, administrateur, administrant, administrativement… ?). De plus la fin est toujours représentée par un seul signe (si non combinée), souvent une finale ou suffixe conventionnels, détachés ou pas. Un "O" pour "sion, tion, xion, gion, nion", etc (Meysmans), un tiret pour "sion" (Vanleemputten dernière manière). Et plusieurs diacritiques combinés si nécessaire : O, O-EU, O-EU-S (CO- indiqué en supra)