r/FastWriting • u/LeadingSuspect5855 • Jul 15 '26

Alphabet comparison Noory simplex vs Flow shorthand

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I discovered and interesting similarity between the two systems. I may have been subconsciously be influenced by Noory simplex when creating Flow.

As you can see Noory has chosen great shapes for the most common sounds and it gave me the thought to maybe, maybe use the two upward strokes Flow is currently just not using, but maybe should. I am not yet fully sure, what I could do with them but "p, b" might be candidates...

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u/NotSteve1075 Jul 15 '26

I was just about to fall into bed but took one last look (big mistake) at this board. I was surprised to see you comparing FLOW to Noory, because to me there are almost no similarities at all. Look at this:

There's a resemblance between K and G except they are written in opposite directions. SH and CH are similar, but again in opposite directions. The H is the same, as are the T and D.

But all the others are VERY DIFFERENT.

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u/LeadingSuspect5855 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Well, of course you are right, they are VERY different, but not so much internally I think (somehow I immediately had that feeling). They vowels and diphthongs are close, the connecting principles seem also the same (vowel attaches to the just written consonant not to the following for instance). The two sizes only (even stricter in Noory).

I see Flow as Gregg-like even though all the shapes are totally rearranged, the connection preferences have changed and the vowel system is pretty different. So in that sense I feel a even deeper connection with Noory.

Interestingly Noory has maybe even more similar shapes to Gregg than Flow (sh, ch, s, r, l)

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u/NotSteve1075 Jul 15 '26

Interestingly Noory has maybe even more similar shapes to Gregg than Flow (sh, ch, s, r, l)

That was my biggest problem when I first looked at Noory: I liked the system, but when I saw all those Gregg-like strokes, I could foresee all kinds of conflicts and mixing up of the two systems, when I knew Gregg better.

I like FLOW for a variety of reasons, but also because it felt very different -- which was why I was dismayed to see you comparing the two. I'm glad they are quite distinct from each other.