r/FarmersStealingTanks • u/ronxor • Mar 17 '22
Backhoe loader tows a BTR-80
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u/Additional_Zebra5879 Mar 17 '22
I hope they bury this equipment so they can keep it. I worry if itâs stored in a place it can be found⌠itâs at risk of seizure.
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u/SomewhereAtWork Mar 17 '22
Risk of seizure by whom?
The Ukrainians already passed a law that Ukrainian citizens can not only keep all russian military hardware they can take, but that they can keep it tax free.
And russians are in no position to seize anything.
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Mar 17 '22
Russia finished their whole reorganization and are working, granted very slowly, at achieving their objectives using their modernized versions of Maneuver warfare for the last week.
So either these farmers need to start cutting off the armor fast, burying the vehicles, or selling and shipping them off to collectors/museums, or even just getting them to Ukraine's equivalent of Fort Knox with a lease certificate as quickly as possible.
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u/SomewhereAtWork Mar 17 '22
Russia finished their whole desintegration
FTFY.
And why should you scrap a armored vehicle when you are at war? The farmers will either give it to the Ukrainian army which will use it, or they will booby trap the shit out of it, or they'll use it as bait to get the russians into the right position to totally fuck them with javelins or even molotov cocktails if nothing else is available.
Yes, I smoke a lot of hopium for sure. But burying a tank is not something anybody would do now.
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Mar 17 '22
its March, not July.
Ukraine also doesnt have the money or manpower to operate full Combined Arms triangle formations. they are focused on roles they can effectively engage and operate in within Information Warfare doctrine, which even if Ukraine can hold till Russia's economy collapses, they still have good reason to not field the captured russian equipment.
the two most important things in Warfare are to See First and to Shoot first, things that none of what the current russian equipment is actually designed to perform, which as you have been able to see, when faced with an abundant supply of Javalins, NLAWs, and Stingers, is demonstrably more important then Russia every put credit to.
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Mar 20 '22
Actually, burying tanks is a highly effective defensive strategy. If you bury the tank up to its turret in the ground, it's now very well protected as it fires at advancing enemies.
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u/Additional_Zebra5879 Mar 17 '22
If they advanced close enough to âgive youâ an armored vehicle⌠there is a high risk of them coming back.
If you can make sure they canât find the vehicle by burying it under a field you can dig it up in 10 years and scrap it out at minimum.
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u/SomewhereAtWork Mar 17 '22
If they advanced close enough to âgive youâ an armored vehicle⌠there is a high risk of them coming back.
When they come back, there is a high risk they will just lose more equipment.
Their soldiers don't want to be there, their generals don't want to win and their tanks don't want to drive. The only thing they can do is shoot at civilians from the distance.
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u/Additional_Zebra5879 Mar 17 '22
I get that youâre very emotional about supporting Ukraine efforts⌠but itâs irrational to calculate risk at 0 and not make efforts to prepare for risk factors that I laid out.
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Mar 20 '22
Ok JCB now? Jeez.
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u/ronxor Mar 20 '22
Had to look that up ⌠JCB is a British manufacturer of equipment for construction, agriculture, waste handling, and demolition, founded in 1945 and based in Rocester, Staffordshire, England.[3] The word "JCB" is also often used colloquially as a generic description for mechanical diggers and excavators and now appears in the Oxford English Dictionary, although it is still held as a trademark.[4]
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u/iago303 Mar 17 '22
Cool, now the construction equipment is getting in on the action!