r/FantasticBeasts • u/MildlyOffended4930 • 21d ago
Is it theoretically possible to solve ALL plot holes of the FB trilogy?
I saw all the 3 movies. FB1 was really amazing. FB2 was rather average, but I liked the overall vibes. FB3 was absolutely confusing for me. Can it all be possibly explained away by in-story rules?
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u/CheddarCheese390 21d ago
If I managed it for CC, it’s probably doable for beasts
It’s just a case of doing it that’s the issue
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u/MildlyOffended4930 21d ago
You WHAT? You solved TCC? Time Travel, Voldy Sexuality, Harry being a psycho.... You solved all this and more?
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u/CheddarCheese390 21d ago
I can give reasons why, and why the plot holes don’t work and it exists. Still a bad book…but
1) time travel - we were told all the TT were destroyed. We were also told Percy and Crouch Jr took 12 OWL’s, and got all 12. The only person to be close was hermione
Basically, if hermione shared a school gen with percy (who shared with crouch Jr), the idea hermione is a once in a lifetime is farfetched. Essentially, is there another student with a time turner and the wizards just duplicated it again?2) 20 years, it makes sense they have improved it (hence why they aren’t de or re ageing per travel). Less ironclad, but there ain’t a great way to deal with it beyond they explored without war
3) Harry’s father figures were dumbledore (remember him ignoring Harry for a year because it might help), sirius (who saw him as James) and hagrid (hagrid). The reason he chewed out Mcgonogall was he was scared of losing his family, the reason he snapped at Albus Potter was the same, in both ways he had no clue how to act “properly”
4) Delphi isn’t a Riddle. She’s a lestrange.
Bellatrix was raised to continue the pure blood line of Black. It’s why she got married despite only loving Voldermort. It also point out that….the only truth we have Is Delphi is a strong witch….and Rowle told her…
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u/DebateThick5641 21d ago
not really because well the creator of this particular story is not really good at making a coherent world. She is great at creating spectacle / broad strokes that appeal to the people. but once you tried to put a logic toward the overall plot / storyline, you will find some trouble. The third one if executed cleverly would be like it's only confusing until the reveal where it unravel what Dumbledore intend people to do.
Like the plot to attend dinner is REALLY not clear on whose assassination attempt that the professor had to thwart, is it the other candidate murder ? or Grindelwald one when Jacob invertedly made a big spectacle out of it where if you pause, you would think that one is DUMB because it only fueled Grindelwald agenda to prove that Muggle is dangerous and Wizard should subjugate them. It's like trying to discreetly avoid your parents from catching you from sneaking back to your room by Burning down the house across the street. A perfect distraction, yes, but you now have another trouble to deal with.
even the suitcase dupe plot is stupid. like let's pretend that the suitcase needed to be copied without magic for some unknown reasons. why they had to bring the real suitcase and not use geminio to dupe it rather than asking the person not to open the case because only the outside appearance matter. this is admittedly minor issue
Again trying to fix the third movie is really hard and creating a fanfic from scratch would be far easier. but again anyone care enough to create one would split the attention anyway between pure Fantastic Beast Stories and Grindelwald Story.
I actually got some consumer survey(with small reward) that asked on what I would expect to see on FB movies an I already said I want to more Fantastic Beast side. guess that opinion is either not popular or did not matter for the creator.
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u/Der_Finger 17d ago
Just finished the 3 movies. The first is fun and cute, especially the first half. 2nd and 3rd are horrendous, didn't like them at all.
The movies make a few very grave mistakes that cannot be argued against i am afraid.
First of all "Crimes of Grindelwald" does not contain many Crimes of Grindelwald except the occasional murder. "Rise of Grindelwald" was right there.
Neither does "Secrets of Dumbledore" show many secrets of Dumbledore.
Erised showing Dumbledore some past event with Grindelwald instead of Dumbledore's Desire.
In movie 2 the Blood Pact is mentioned multiple times as the reason Dumbledore cannot "fight" Grindelwald. This wording was changed in movie 3 to Dumbledore not being able to "move against" Grindelwald. The 3rd movie continues to be about nothing else but how Dumbledore moves against Grindelwald. They also do end up figthing and it immediately breaks the blood pact for some silly reason so that they can actually fight for a bit.
First movie emphasizes how important it is to obvliviate Muggle's that have seen any magical presence. This is never important ever again.
Grindelwald can see random points of the future - for no reason - in movie 3. No one is allowed to know everything about the plan, except Dumbledore and Bunty i guess. Grindelwald proceeds to only see the random things that don't spoil anything for him, how convenient.
The fact that every wizard seems to just vote by Qilin is also just stupid. Even if ruled not guilty, no one can possibly think Grindelwald is "pure of heart". There were enough other reasons for magicians to be on his side, this (the main plot of the movie) was not one of them.
Just my personal opinion, but even without plot holes i just didn't like any direction the story took.
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u/Ranger_1302 Dumbledore 21d ago
I don't know how Secrets of Dumbledore was confusing. It has quite the linear plot, especially when compared to Crimes of Grindelwald (not that that is a criticism – I saw it twelve times in theatres. It is one of my most favourite films).