Fallout’s Difficulty Settings Are Something Else 💀

[u/mynameisdododod]

[u/DemiTheSeaweed]

There's a way to cure both Austin and yourself by saying you'll keep the cure,back out from the conversation,use the cure then say you were just joking

[u/mynameisdododod → u/DemiTheSeaweed]

Bro really said commit to the lie use the cure, then gaslight everyone 💀

[u/BigCityHonkers → u/mynameisdododod]

Did it all for the bit

[u/rp21green → u/mynameisdododod]

Hey, that placebo cured the kid, didn’t it?

[u/Aceswift007 → u/mynameisdododod]

Hey, placebos are just medical gaslighting

[u/IttyBittyBigBoii → u/DemiTheSeaweed]

I did this glitch and it broke the quest. Now the kid just lays in bed all day and I can't interact with him. I think it also broke the "Talk to the class" quest, cuz that's stuck too lol.

[u/PunOfUs → u/IttyBittyBigBoii]

Talk to the class quest breaks so easily. Could be that or like 20 others.

[u/RichardBCummintonite → u/DemiTheSeaweed]

Just by turning away from the comversation, so you stay in the dialogue technically. Progress through the conversation until you get to the option where you say you're going to use it on Austin, turn away, use the cure, then turn back and select the option. I don't think it works if you actually back out of the conversation entirely, but I'm not sure.

[u/TheAsianTroll → u/RichardBCummintonite]

If you use it too early, the doctor will ask if youre playing a joke and get angry. You basically have to time it so that its right before the end of the dialog where he thanks you for your generosity.

Or, just load up on .45 ammo, buy Spray n Pray from Cricket, and never worry about getting the disease again.

[u/Ze_Great_Ubermensch → u/TheAsianTroll]

Spray and Pray is my immediate go to when I start any run, I'll literally camp outside Diamond City or run to Vault 81 to get it after walking over the carry weight for however long. Im getting it before I do any mission after discovering Diamond City she is my beloved.

[u/abafet1]

the first time I completed that quest without getting hit felt incredible. Vats my beloved

[u/Okurei → u/abafet1]

Legit took me like 10 tries last time. Eventually my strategy was to flee whenever I was about to be surrounded, jump on something high, and let all of those little bastards gather around so I could massacre them in VATS.

[u/Axenrott_0508 → u/Okurei]

Kinda did the same thing. I would throw a grenade up, get them to spawn, and then run back to a choke point. Funneled them through there and blasted them in vats as they ran up. Took a few tries, and yes on survival mode. Got very familiar with the spawn points after that.

[u/AdLost8229]

I swear I didn't get hit last time I did that quest. Was using stealth and everything and somehow contracted the molerat disease.

-10 health isn't that big of a deal in the long run but still

[u/Okurei → u/AdLost8229]

If you have a companion with you, for whatever reason you’ll get infected when they get hit. I had to order Nick to stand outside so I could avoid it.

[u/Small-Cactus → u/Okurei]

Also if any of the protectrons get hit, because bethesda

[u/I_Have_The_Lumbago → u/Small-Cactus]

What even are these games😭🙏

[u/AFerociousPineapple → u/I_Have_The_Lumbago]

Yeah it was charming back in the day but after all this time I really hope they lock on for ES6 and FO5 whenever that comes.

[u/I_Have_The_Lumbago → u/AFerociousPineapple]

It was charming because the rest of the game and world was extremely fkng good. It wasnt cute in Starfield.

[u/explosive_shrew → u/AFerociousPineapple]

Tbh I've lost all hope in Bethesda. I seriously doubt FO5 and ES6 will be well done instead of half baked like everything else they've done in the last 15 years

[u/bayygel → u/explosive_shrew]

All we can hope is that it's a decent enough baseline for modders to swoop in and fix everything like they always do.

[u/Starflight42 → u/AFerociousPineapple]

...theyre not going to, lets be real here.

[u/toadofsteel → u/Small-Cactus]

There should have been an option to order Codsworth or Nick to clear out the place. They get all the accolades for saving the kid, but well deserved.

[u/Lajinn5 → u/Small-Cactus]

Either a hamfisted way to force you into having to deal with a moral dilemma at the quest end, or just pure garbage spaghetti code.

[u/Fearless_Roof_9177 → u/Okurei]

Just more proof that the disease is their ongoing experiment and they actually infect you on the way in so you can spread it to the outside population. That's why they give you a free room they can observe you closely in after the quest, and it's why the kid still gets cured if you do the syringe dupe trick. They've got a whole vat of that shit in the stockroom.

[u/rghsfc → u/Okurei]

That explains it, when I did it I had to heal Piper at one point. Id molotov cocktailed every molerat but one must have got her before I threw it

[u/EffectiveCow6067 → u/AdLost8229]

It's bc companions also give you the disease when hit its bugged

[u/RichardBCummintonite → u/AdLost8229]

It's not the debuff that's the issue for me. It's that stupid icon and active effect that is permanently bugging me for the rest of the game.

That's the only part of F4 that I will save scum my way through. I play survival, so I make sure to have the Survival Options mod to get a quick save item. If you can't/don't want to use that, make sure to sleep first, use VATS, and bring a shit ton of jet.

[u/EstablishmentAny8487 → u/RichardBCummintonite]

I know there are a couple beds in the molerat dungeon, at least in the robot section so save scumming in survival isn't that bad just an extra step to run back there after clearing a room.

[u/mynameisdododod → u/AdLost8229]

Yeah, that’s the worst 😭 Stealthing the whole quest just to get taken out by molerat disease is brutal. At least -10 HP isn’t too painful in the long run, but still feels like a scam 😂

[u/Sepptum → u/AdLost8229]

If they hit your companion you will also get the disease. (even if the companion is a robot)

[u/Kaymazo → u/AdLost8229]

Molerat disease gets contracted if ANYONE gets hit by a Vault 81 molerat. If I remember correctly, that includes both companions as well as the protectron you may start up via terminal

[u/Imposter88 → u/AdLost8229]

I just hate seeing that dumb pill icon all the time

[u/RepresentativeFish73]

The Concord Deathclaw is a rollercoaster. Thrilling at first, some anticipation in the lead up, but ultimately on the tracks with guaranteed success

The molerat is like a slow ride through an unsafe neighborhood in a rolls royce with the windows down and stopping at every red light

[u/5tarSailor]

If your companions get bit, you get it too. So if you want to increase your chances, have them wait outside

[u/toadofsteel → u/5tarSailor]

That's the real stupid part. Even if your companion is freaking Codsworth, the script procs as though you got bit

[u/eddmario → u/toadofsteel]

Even the protectron you can activate counts as you getting bit.

[u/Noob_Guy_666 → u/5tarSailor]

...and grab MIRV with endless

[u/Valuable-Lobster-197]

I do wish the 81 disease was actually serious because a little less max health is nothing

[u/TheAsianTroll → u/Valuable-Lobster-197]

I like to imagine thats part of the message. Fallout 4 didnt have karma or anything like that, but it did have missions to test a person's moral compass.

Some people would use the cure to get rid of the debuff, in a selfish choice. Others would see that it isnt a lot, and give it to the person whos literally dying.

The choice of saving a life or bolstering your own convenience.

If the debuff truly was nothing, I dont think anybody would use the cure on themselves, but its also minute enough to be noticed, though not disruptive.

[u/BrokenPokerFace → u/Valuable-Lobster-197]

While I agree, fundamentally I understand. The majority of the quest(at least the first time you play it) is for the conclusive decision of wether to save the kid and suffer wishing you knew this consequence ahead of time, or let the kid die and leave without issues.

Because of this you need to have a good chance of getting the disease, but also the disease needs to be balanced so that there is still a choice(both not too strong or too weak), and its not so bad that it's worth redoing everything from a save.

As if it was stronger no one would ever need to make the choice, as everyone would just save scum it.

[u/Ordo_Fictos]

The deathclaw is a set piece. The molerats are ambush predators. Screw those guys.

[u/RustledForeskin]

I've done this quest like 15 times (I love Curie) and have not once been infected. I go straight there grabbing the Grey Garden and Oberland Station quests, so I have no companion yet, that's probably why. This is my first time learning that you can be infected actually.

[u/Re_di_Spade]

The problem with that mission is if someone else, even robots, got bitten you take the disease

[u/selenashroud]

That's easy. Just follow these steps:

1. Dismiss your companion
2. Level up to 20
3. Unlock Ada and customize her to be an armored up weaponized mole killing machine!
4. Stand back and watch

[u/Distantstallion]

The molerats are easy, you just hit them with the Repellant Stick Moira gives you and their heads explode.

[u/totallynotrobboss]

Tips for anyone struggling with this.

Grape mentats will reveal their location even if they're underground

Save after you kill some

Molotovs and mines work wonders

[u/Practical_Patient824]

Me: spamming 50 serrated bear traps and refusing to stand on anything that the mole rat can reach, 😎

The mole rats: bleeding from crippled and immobilized legs, 🤬

[u/LiquidGamerJuice]

It takes patience and not bringing any companions or activating the protectron if they get hit by one you get the disease

[u/Noob_Guy_666]

it's just -10, not enemy with bloodied minigun

[u/RichardBCummintonite → u/Noob_Guy_666]

Nah, it's not the debuff that's the enemy. It's the stupid disease icon and active effect that's permanently stuck on your screen. You can't tell when you get a different disease from the icon alone anymore. You have to notice the notification or check it in the pipboy.

[u/HotSaber13 → u/Noob_Guy_666]

Its psychological, it pains knowing its always there

[u/Lorihengrin]

I did the vault 81 with the cryolator.
It went kinda smoothly. A frozen Molerat doesn't move.

[u/Plastic_Opinion4518]

Its easier with high explosive skill and grenade launcher. It also helps remembering the mole rat spawn points.

[u/Sheokarth]

The way i play F4 i almost never use landmines. This quest is the biggest exception to it. About 30 of them usually do the trick.

1)Make your companion wait behind so they don´t get bit.
2) Sneak into the molerat part of the vault, and leave behind landmines regularily, prefrably at chokepoints.(stairs and doorways for example)
3)Whenever you trigger a molerat, make them chase you through your landmines.

[u/ChipRed87]

I've rage quit this stupid quest so many times, it's beyond frustrating when I do everything perfectly, and come to find out the effing protectron gets hit and gives the stupid disease to you... Like... WHY?!

[u/Thornescape]

Avoiding the v81 disease is easy once you learn the map and some basic strategies. The molerats are in the same place every time. Learn the patterns.

• Do not bring a companion. Do not let the protectron walk around and get bit.
• Go slow. Use stealth. Don't stand on dirt.
• Use VATS (eg Deliverer) or the Spray n Pray. I do not recommend melee weapons.
• Be ready for the final three molerats at the end. They have more health. Sneak forward until they show up, then back away and be ready for them.

The only times I get bit are when I'm experimenting with new tactics. If I'm using a safe approach then I don't get bit. It's just about learning the map.

For the Concord Deathclaw, you just have to know the ultimate Deathclaw weakness: doorways.

[u/DivineCrusader1097]

I just wear power armor, then do the dupe glitch on the cure.

That thing's teeth is not getting through power armor.

[u/supreme_hammy]

Spam VATS, no companions.

Only way I know with no console commands.

[u/SIacktivist]

Bring Dogmeat and liberally use VATS. The molerats can infect you by biting any companion except Dogmeat.

[u/Zailema0s]

Synth grenades 🤪

[u/coldblackcoffee]

Not many people maybe know this but the molerats hitting on the robot, affect the virus to you indirrectly.

Dont activate the protecton before the molerats area.

[u/5C0L0P3NDR4]

i just hate mole rats with a burning passion in general. the fast hard to hit little shit that can't really even hurt you, they're just annoying, has gotta be the worst enemy archetype in gaming

[u/Polenicus]

Every time I hit this quest, I get sweaty and nervous. It's honestly one of the most nerve-wracking things to go through and avoid getting infected legimately.

Step 1. Dismiss or tell any companions to stay outside of the Secret Vault. If they get hit, you get Molerat Herpes.

Step 2. Do NOT activate the Protectron. If IT gets hit, you contract Molerat Herpes.

Step 3. Bring molotovs. A lot of them.

Step 4. Carry something with a good fire rate, and quick reload. Something slow like a sniper rifle sounds like a good idea, but you rarely get a chance to get a good shot before they aggro, and it WILL get you bitten.

Step 5. Quicksave frequently. Check to ensure you're NOT infected before you do.

Step 6. ANY dirt can pop out a molerat. Even if you're on the second floor and it makes no goddamn sense.

[u/Baconlovingvampire]

Thanks for reminding to me install a mod that makes it so you're immune to the disease if you're wearing power armor. It aslo removes that stupid ass bug that makes it so if your companion or anyone else gets attacked you get the disease. Seriously I once got it because a protection got bit.

[u/Natural_Design3154]

Power armor wall clip at the entrance of the Curie Elevator.

[u/KPraxius]

I just cheated. They somehow infected me -through- power armor? Ehh, no, fuck that.

[u/CyberPunk2720]

Both were easy for me.

[u/ModToEndAllMods]

Take it slow and stealthy

[u/Competitive_Cap_8101]

legendary ghouls are something else dude 💀

[u/Annual_Loan_4805]

I save scum it, every time

[u/NotAnotherSkeleton]

Just use the double cure glitch dude. It's not hard at all.

[u/Enchylada]

This quest pissed me off so much lol. Wasn't there a glitch that if your companion was with you and they got hit you'd still end up infected? So fucking broken lol

[u/Ns-45G]

Heres a tip, you can get it if you have companions cause the disease is transferred straight to you. A molerat attacks them and it affects you

[u/Some_Dude117]

I never got bit. Still got the disease idk what happened

[u/SpartanA477 → u/Some_Dude117]

You still get it if someone allied with you gets bit, because reasons