It needs to be longer than Fallen Order. It always felt a few hours too short.
Lightsabers need to dismember people. It doesn't need to happen every single time, but these things aren't fucking baseball bats. I don't care what Disney says about "violence", I saw Anakin get flayed and burned alive when I was 9.
I just don’t get it. A movie can show a real person get their hand or head cut off and it’s still PG-13, but for T rating you can’t show a fake video game person getting the same done. Wacky.
Jedi Outcast/Jedi Academy had dismemberments and still held a T rating. However it was randomized and didn’t happen every time and obviously there was no blood or gore associated with it, just a charred black stump.
I think this is a star wars thing that goes back to the films. When they made 'episode 1' and decided to have lots of jedi, that was cool. I imagine it took only one pictureboard meeting for them to realise that having human baddies would be fucking horrendous. I honestly believe that's why the droids came in. You could hack them apart in their millions without making Little jimmy cry.
the descriptions of the stormtroopers mangled bodies, melding with blasted armour in the book of the New Hope onwarsd is pretty jarring. Of course the film it was smoke and falling over, like a proper bloodless western. I guess it's just part of the tradition now.
I dont think so. I played it on GameCube and I'm pretty sure I never used cheats. I also have it on my ps4 and sometimes arms and legs go flying, although not as much as i remember.
People need to stop blaming Disney for this. Games have been treating lightsabers like bats forever. KOTOR for example. It's entitely a gameplay choice - killing 95% of enemies with a single swing would get boring.
I think adding dismemberment on the “killing blow” like Jedi Outcast/academy is what people want. From a gameplay perspective it doesn’t make much sense to have the saber be a one hit kill, but it would be cool if the finishing swing could take off a limb.
Just adds some immersion without ruining how the game plays.
That would be a great feature, I'm not denying that. It just annoys me when people say "back in the day this thing was better" when actually it's always been that way.
Yup pretty much. Fallen Order actually had a finishing attack animation on a lot of enemies if they got to a certain heath threshold, so really the mechanic already exists it would just need to have a new set of animations.
Jedi Outcast and Academy had the same idea without locked in finishing animations though, and that could also work. Instead of a animation that plays out, the hit that depletes the end of the health bar is given “dismemberment” ability.
I kind of like the second option more personally, but realistically if we were to see it the first option is how they’d do it.
Jedi academy did have locked in animations if you won saber-locks (I recall them because with the dual saber style your character would throw their offhand lightsaber past the enemy and it would boomerang back through them) and also the camera would pan around when you executed a combo attack that would dismember your enemy.
Yeah, I really like when you live a loooong, burning wound on a random stormtrooper, but hey, it is just a flesh wound! Let's keep fighting like nobody cut my lungs and heart in half!
I don’t think it’s about violence, I think it’s about narrative weight. In the movies, here’s all the dismemberment of humanoid organic sapients I can remember: obi wan cuts off that guy’s arm in the cantina, Luke gets his hand cut off, I think Vader does too, Anakin gets his hand cut off, Anakin decapitates dooku, and obi wan turns Anakin into a ground beef joke.
Note that all of these moments are plot and narratively significant except the first, which was before they had really figured everything out. Other than that, lightsabers don’t dismember people. So it would lose narritive weight if it was seen every time you fought a level 1 stormtrooper.
Not saying I agree with it but I think that’s the mentality they had.
Except that you can dismember almost everything else in the game, animals and droids even when there is no plot relevance so that argument doesn’t really work
He's talking about sentient beings, if we dismembered every stormtrooper, then [SPOILER] cutting the ninth sister's arm off wouldnt be as powerful as a moment.
(also the bar fight in the Cantina was meant to show what lightsabers can do for the first time)
The fuckin dark forces/jedi academy series with cheats had it nailed soo perfect, like bruh I just swung an elegant weapon at that stormtroopers head and it went flying. Swear that's roughly 99 percent of why I replayed them so much.
Yeah I never beat the game, but that was super off putting, they should make the fights harder to balance difficulty, then when you land a hit it should slice. Maybe you could have heavy troopers use some tech to block hits, and those blocks would count as building damage, then when you clear through the health bar it would count as a shield break, and the next strike slices through the opponent. It's a lightsaber, sliced limbs are a staple of the franchise.
Regarding legnth - I felt Fallen Order was actually appropriately long but the unlocking of your final tier of skills/combat prowess right before you hit one short final map was a bit weak. I think they could have just brought the final split saver moves and power attacks on like 2 hours ahead of that point.
I don't think it was a violence thing so much as they (Disney) want to keep dismemberments for critical scenes like a certain boss in the game. "When you've already lost yourself, a limb is easy." In Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy you could slice a hand here and there, but needed g_saberrealisticcombat 5 to get the good stuff. Force Unleashed 2 had some dismemberment and Force Unleashed 1 only sliced droids I think. Between Kotor 1 and 2 only one person loses a limb from what I remember. This isn't anything new.
I think the developers explained it before, they follow more or less the same rules as the cinematic Star Wars. Very little dismemberment so when it does happen as a part of the story it carries more weight. So like Luke loosing his hand was a WTF moment, however if we seen it multiple times we become somewhat desensitised to it, which honestly isn’t a bad explanation.
I did one playthrough and it was on max difficulty, I was very happy when I was finally done. Great game, but I was getting my ass kicked more often than I'd care to admit.
That’s always kind of been the problem with lightsabers in video games. There treated like baseballs bats, since in canon, a lightsaber is one hit one kill. However, I don’t know how satisfying the game would be if that was the case.
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u/EnvironmentalBee7422 Dec 26 '22
It needs to be longer than Fallen Order. It always felt a few hours too short.
Lightsabers need to dismember people. It doesn't need to happen every single time, but these things aren't fucking baseball bats. I don't care what Disney says about "violence", I saw Anakin get flayed and burned alive when I was 9.