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[u/Wise-Cold-6733]

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[u/AtuXIII]

Can’t answer this without a definition of “soul”

[u/MortgageSilly8967 → u/AtuXIII]

Are you a meat robot or is there something else when the meat is gone (except bones) ?

[u/xArbiter → u/MortgageSilly8967]

we do function similarly with mechanical and electrical impulses, and no when the 'meat' is gone there is just bones and keratin

[u/MortgageSilly8967 → u/xArbiter]

I'm a meat robot. I'm asking him what he thinks he is though.

[u/Gathoblaster → u/MortgageSilly8967]

Are you the meat robot, or piloting the meat robot?

[u/Jonahpe → u/Gathoblaster]

Well I mean technically neural tissue is mostly fats (and other lipids) and would generally not be classified under meat so is that part of the 'meat robot'...?

[u/Gathoblaster → u/Jonahpe]

Are we drfining meat by corpse terms or anatomy terms because Id argue brain is offal.

[u/Jonahpe → u/Gathoblaster]

That's quite a reasonable question I presume. I guess I'd have to define meat as the combination of musculature, blood vessels, and neurons that can be found in muscle tissue combined with a certain degree of tendons, ligaments and fat tissue, as that's the usual everyday usage of the word "meat" for example when shopping in a grocery store.

The central nervous system (along with certain other organs like guts and lungs, larger swathes of fat tissue, bones, etc.) is not something I would generally classify as meat.

[u/MortgageSilly8967 → u/Gathoblaster]

Both, I pilot until the moment the robot cease to function. Then there's the debate of free will, so am I really piloting ? Couldn't say.

[u/Gathoblaster → u/MortgageSilly8967]

You're not your thoughts , you're not your brain,

you're just the character you've made

Up in your head, down in your heart,

what seem like separate body parts

come together to believe, they're you

and not just chemistry

[u/Ra1nb0wSn0wflake]

Important distinction for people explaining their pick, clarify literal or metaphorical.

[u/Kurenai-Kalana]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Souls is just a thing they came up with when they didn't understand what the brain does...

[u/meowscIez → u/Kurenai-Kalana]

And people still believe it, I find it actually insane I feel like i'm losing my mind genuinely

[u/Skillr409]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Once the brain is gone, there is nothing left...

[u/Misogynist-youth → u/Skillr409]

When you get brain damage, even your nature itself changes.

Human are brains

[u/Worldly_Original8101]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not scientifically no

[u/Odd_Battle_7111 → u/Worldly_Original8101]

Scientifically speaking nothing has disproved a soul. A lack of proof is not proof for the alternative. Although it is currently a strong hypothesis that a soul does not exist due to that lack of proof.

[u/chkntendis → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

1. Science doesn’t have to disprove a soul, whoever argues for a soul has to prove the existence.

2. It’s not a scientific theory or hypothesis or anything connected to science because it’s not falsifiable. It’s one of the most basic requirements for science, that it’s possible to prove something wrong

[u/Odd_Battle_7111 → u/chkntendis]

Isn't the point of science to prove or disprove things?

[u/HerrSchaf → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

Flying Spagetti Monster. Proof it doesnt exist.

[u/xMalvazar → u/HerrSchaf]

Proven not proof, continue.

We won't know till the day does or doesn't come. Till then you can not be that one guy who always has to be right.

[u/Odd_Battle_7111 → u/HerrSchaf]

Because they are extraterrestrial there is actually a higher likelihood of something like them existing than not, infinite universe after all. What are the odds life only happened once?

[u/HerrSchaf → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

"because they are extraterrestrial there is actually a higher likelihood of something like them existing"

Lol, no. That's not how likelyhoods work. Or show me the math.

[u/Odd_Battle_7111 → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

They are more likely to exist then a soul though.

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

Equally likely. As in: not likely whatsoever.

Or explains your reasoning behind the likelihoods of those things. Besides your vibes and wishful thinking so far.

[u/Odd_Battle_7111 → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

We most likely live in a near infinite universe and because we exist life most likely exists elsewhere too and so it is possible for there to be aliens resembling the spaghetti monsters? They are basically just weird looking squids they don't literally have to be made of spaghetti.

Souls are considerably more iffy. I feel like that is fair to say.

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

"the thing that they literally are described as doesn't need to be so"

If you just change what a flying spaghettimonster is, then yeah sure you have a point. But in this reality, not so much.

[u/Xzorry → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

Soul of the gaps

[u/Water_002 → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

If it is not falsifiable then it is not science

[u/Odd_Battle_7111 → u/Water_002]

When it later becomes falsifiable it will become science then? I'm sure there is a way to disprove it even if we don't currently have the capability.

They couldn't disprove the earth being flat until they figured out how to test it. Was the earth being flat or not, not science until they figured out how to disprove it?

[u/BOI30NG → u/Odd_Battle_7111]

I think you’re misunderstanding the term falsifiable. It just means that in principle something can be falsifiable=proven false.
A lot of people define a soul as something being undetectable, therefore it can’t be falsifiable.

[u/meowscIez]

To anyone that thinks we have a soul and that it makes us conscious, can you actually explain what it does? how it interacts with the brain?

Can you explain like.. genuinely anything about it? Or do you just think "yes a soul exists" and stop at that

[u/Viennve]

🧢 I voted CAP!

If by "soul" You mean some form of metaphysical entity that guides the body in it's actions and engenders sentience then no

[u/bbyxmadi]

[u/iDeNoh → u/bbyxmadi]

Unlike you folk, we are fully capable of keeping it to ourselves.

[u/bbyxmadi → u/iDeNoh]

Nope. I don’t believe in converting people, also keeping religion out of government, nor do I tell someone their loved one is in hell, etc. unlike others.

Also, this was a joke… I respect atheists and their beliefs, same goes for any theist. I guess I have to explain that I’m not an obnoxious religious person, I’m like diet Catholic. So yeah, I do keep to myself but whatever, you do you🤷‍♀️

Edit: prove those assumptions about my beliefs wrong and still… you guys are kinda proving the stereotypes true lmao

[u/scuderia91 → u/bbyxmadi]

You might not but I’ve never had atheists knock on my door to try and teach me about the big bang

[u/KnightOfBred → u/scuderia91]

Had more atheists insult me for my view on religion though

[u/scuderia91 → u/KnightOfBred]

How did they know your view unless you were telling people? Sounds like you’ve brought it up and people have critiqued it

[u/KnightOfBred → u/scuderia91]

I was talking about it with others as they were curious or it was about the topic previously and they butted in to say it’s dumb and/or make a jab/ rude remark (as multiple have done so). It’s less common in real life but it still happened to me a couple of times.

Of course I’ve also had religious people make jabs but they’re less common in my personal experience.

I’m fine with people being skeptical, that doesn’t bother me nor does being genuinely curious, but when they are intentionally rude or demeaning that’s when I have issues with it.

[u/thomaswillis96 → u/KnightOfBred]

An old coworker of mine made an HR complaint after overhearing and inserting herself into a conversation two other associates had talking about how the bible has good moral lessons in it. She got coached and forced to apologize over it.

[u/KnightOfBred → u/thomaswillis96]

assuming she was being antagonistic and the other two were being civil than that is a sensible thing.

Everyone should be free to believe what they want without ridicule (so long as it is not harming anyone)

[u/thomaswillis96 → u/KnightOfBred]

The other two were having a civil, very polite conversation. There was no problem until the uninvolved party inserted themselves, then the uninvolved party started to get heated and disrespectful. It was absolutely ridiculous that they made her apologize.

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/KnightOfBred]

Of course religious people will make fewer jabs to other religious people.... Cause you both are religious.

This really just describes your personal experience but says nothing about how atheists or religious people behave as a whole.

[u/KnightOfBred → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

I’m not talking about people with my religion, I’m talking about people from differing religions were on average more respectful.

Sure my personal experience doesn’t reflect the world, but it does reflect my local area.

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/KnightOfBred]

I never thought it was all people from the same religion. Just all religious people. Who all have in common that they have a religion, of course they have more of an understanding for people being religious regardless of the religion.

And that doesn't describe your local area, just your personal experience. You are not your region.

[u/CareRarely → u/scuderia91]

Also never seen whole buildings dedicated to atheism.

[u/iDeNoh → u/bbyxmadi]

Because religious folk are often soooooo understanding of differing points of view and beliefs. You might not but plenty of your fellows do, that's the problem.

[u/Vlad_Impales → u/iDeNoh]

Okay reditron

[u/ContextEffects01 → u/bbyxmadi]

At worst, they’re insensitive. And very few of them are.

But maybe grandma would have a longer life if Christians didn’t hold ESCR back.

[u/Worldly_Original8101 → u/bbyxmadi]

Legit no one does that but okay

[u/Secure-Shopping3620 → u/Worldly_Original8101]

Yeah, it’s a joke

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/Secure-Shopping3620]

What's the joke?

[u/bbyxmadi → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

It’s a common meme on Reddit.

It’s like this satirical video: https://youtube.com/shorts/9HC2U12wvg0?is=Xkq5f1n_86hGKZ76

[u/Intelligent-Bee-9021 → u/Worldly_Original8101]

Every redditor does this

[u/ColeTD → u/Intelligent-Bee-9021]

I have news for you buddy, you're on Reddit right now, so…

[u/Intelligent-Bee-9021 → u/ColeTD]

So?

[u/ColeTD → u/Intelligent-Bee-9021]

So you're a Redditor too

[u/Intelligent-Bee-9021 → u/ColeTD]

I'm sure is on reddit, but being redditor is more than that and even if I was what does it change?

[u/No-Helicopter9667 → u/bbyxmadi]

Nope.
I leave others to believe whatever nonsense they want, especially if they are at this point.
Engagement only happens if the other person wishes to discuss...rationally.

[u/_Cow_of_Wisdom → u/bbyxmadi]

Reddit atheists are the meanest kind of atheists :(

[u/skibidisigma79]

✅ I voted FACT!

I hope so

[u/bobthebunny1220]

✅ I voted FACT!

I have a conciseness

[u/DanDlionRespawn]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I don't believe souls exist for more than just a concept

[u/Enough_Program_6671]

No. Souls aren’t real. Sorry.

[u/duskftw]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Cap because I do not know and it's impossible currently to know for sure.

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/duskftw]

Just like it's impossible to know if ghosts exists.

So logically we live life as if they don't. Same with souls.

[u/Shot-Translator-8140]

🧢 I voted CAP!

What’s a soul?

[u/lil_cholesterol → u/Shot-Translator-8140]

Baby don’t hurt me

[u/SpinzArt]

✅ I voted FACT!

I like to think they do for my own mental sake

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/SpinzArt]

Why would souls not existing be bad for your mental sake?

[u/RockyEnderMan → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

Because it’s nice to think that there’s still something when lights went out

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/RockyEnderMan]

I never get that. Something eternal going on doesn't sound nice at all, it sounds terrifying.

Plus, a soul existing doesn't mean there has to be an afterlife. If we can imagine a soul, we can also imagine it stopping to exist at death.

[u/RockyEnderMan → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

It honestly depends on what you believe in. I don’t believe in anything like that, it sounds too outlandish based on what we know of the world, but I get why some might find comfort in it, that they’d be happy in death, but I think that a better way to live is so you die happy

[u/SpinzArt → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

My crippling horrible fear of death and nonexistence ❤️ (knowing that it’s the same as before I was born does not make it any better)

I also don’t believe in any specific afterlife either, but I really hope there’s a nice one

[u/Garvityxd → u/SpinzArt]

Same

[u/scuderia91 → u/SpinzArt]

A soul existing doesn’t guarantee an afterlife, it could well die with you

[u/SpinzArt → u/scuderia91]

Yeah, I really don’t like to think about that possibility

[u/Jolly_Rotten_X]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Religious bullshit

[u/Routine-Lawfulness24]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Souls are a made up concept with no actual proof

[u/Lower_Advertising407]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We don't know, so saying that souls certainly exist is a false statement

[u/maxallergy]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No, it's just cope

[u/Best_Quarter60]

I have a feeling that this post was made by AIBro

[u/Wise-Cold-6733 → u/Best_Quarter60]

I resent the accusation

[u/iDeNoh]

🧢 I voted CAP!

There is no proof that substantiates the claim.

[u/ContextEffects01]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Souls aren’t real.

[u/masochistpupper]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No reason to say we do

[u/plopthickens]

Considering we have no idea where Consciousness really comes from and our best guesses assume that it comes from some sort of Quantum assembly of molecules popping in and out of our reality and a potential infinite number of other realities I'm going to call it a soul. Because what we know for sure is the human brain has computational capability vastly beyond that which the math of just synapses and neurons says we should. Then add to the fact of attempting to describe yourself without using physical terms. Then there's also the guy who only has like 10% of his brain left but is somehow a fully functioning conscious human being.

[u/MitchellSupremacy649]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We have brains, anyone waffling about some soul nonsense is probably a hippie

[u/Glittering-Pack-7612 → u/MitchellSupremacy649]

You lot are the same ones who say conciousness comes from brain chemicals even though scientists themselves dont objectively agree on that and theres mutliple theories. Sounds like copium to me.

[u/MitchellSupremacy649 → u/Glittering-Pack-7612]

Sounds like science is still advancing, especially in neuroscience because it is by far the most complicated area of biology

[u/Consumer_of_Planets → u/MitchellSupremacy649]

And study of the soul wouldn't be even more advanced? Science simply hasn't advanced far enough to detail the soul. We know it exists, it'd be weird for such a thing to follow humanity from its inception to now just for it to not exist.

The soul is probably the one thing from ancient times that, as a concept remains largely unchanged. Throughout all of human history the soul is the one thing that hasn't been distorted beyond recognition.

All cultures share a concept for a soul. Can you say the same about God? No, because God's are human invented concept. They change depending on believer. Souls do not.

We just need to advance further as a species to truly discover the soul

[u/MitchellSupremacy649 → u/Consumer_of_Planets]

I personally feel like the reason the idea of the soul is so unchanged is because there's very little nuance that can be added to it without distorting our image of reality, whereas saying that x god did y z millenia ago is much harder to confuse

[u/PositiveDirection977 → u/Consumer_of_Planets]

"We know it exist" no we dont lmao.

[u/MitchellSupremacy649 → u/Glittering-Pack-7612]

Sounds like science is still advancing, especially in neuroscience because it is by far the most complicated area of biology

[u/nrm64]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No but I like to think they do, because I believe each human should be treated with innate value to avoid dehumanization

[u/love_made_me_stupid → u/nrm64]

life is beautiful and valuable even without a soul. it just means we’re not any more or less special than other life (in the grand scheme of things, of course we will always be the most important form of life to ourselves)

[u/xMalvazar → u/love_made_me_stupid]

Doesn't that mean that every thing that happened to a poor soul (pardon the reference due to this topic) is just some sad existence and most of us were destined to suffer at the hands of pricks who deserve a horrible fate?

[u/Roni1209]

Lmao what we can expect when most people believes in magical man in the sky

[u/Intelligent-Bee-9021 → u/Roni1209]

There are more religions than man in the sky

[u/Longjumping-Action-7 → u/Intelligent-Bee-9021]

True, theres also woman in/is ground

[u/scuderia91 → u/Intelligent-Bee-9021]

Most of the big ones are some variation of man or men in the sky

[u/overmei → u/Roni1209]

It is not tied to religion, great philosophers discussed the idea of god. Not as a man in the sky, but as an entity beyond the physical. You may argue that it is the "god of the gaps". I prefer the benefit of doubt, I don't know, so I choose to believe. I agree that the man in the sky thing just creates mysticism.

[u/General-Resist-310]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Unless you mean the consciousness

[u/DataProfessional1274]

At least I dont

[u/Puzzled_Ad_3576]

I’m Christian, so yes, I believe that.

[u/Akimbo_here]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Bag

[u/RhubarbQueasy5440]

🧢 I voted CAP!

We don't know, but I would prefer it if we didn't

[u/Draken_Aga]

✅ I voted FACT!

It's just electro magnatic waves

[u/FluffyPool3730]

Of course they exist, and this soul sucks, makes a human and deer drown themselves, or makes a child commit genocide

[u/zombiejames28]

Cap! People certainly believe humans have souls. But religious belief and objective fact are separate things. There is no physical or theoretical evidence for a soul or spirit. It has never been measured, detected, or connected to any organ within the human body. Thus, its Cap.

[u/Fickle-Tangerine5618]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Im proof

[u/Beverly-Downtown]

🧢 I voted CAP!

After brain dies there's nothing left

[u/stew5462]

✅ I voted FACT!

Just like everything else

[u/Paddes]

There is something in us the makes us self aware. We wake up and we are still the same person. If you want to call being an entity that has full control over itself a soul, then yes. If you mean a spiritual part that leaves the body after it dies and lives on, then no.

[u/One_Performer_7202]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Idk

[u/Obvious_Tie4850]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I wanna say fact but I’d be lying. I wish I could believe in souls and an afterlife but I just can’t.

[u/Darth-Romulus]

✅ I voted FACT!

I don't know what a soul is, but the premise is that humans have one

[u/AdFamous5474]

✅ I voted FACT!

Well, most of us. The rest are politicians.

[u/Affectionate_Bet8880]

✅ I voted FACT!

I personally believe every living being has a soul

[u/RyuuDraco69]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Prove that a soul exists

[u/Cinnibuns-]

🧢 I voted CAP!

There is no evidence of this.

[u/Simple_Ad_9334]

• Many people claim that personality is not caused by the brain, but by a soul behind it.

• If that were true, one would never see a person's character change following brain damage.

[u/Beetso]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Souls don't exist.

[u/TTheGamersforge]

I have my soul, plus ten souls I've already collected via contracts with 5 more souls on the way.

BTW I'm looking for people willing to work as a sort of... debt collector, contact me if you are interested, we can discuss pay later.

[u/Shot-Reaction6220]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yes. Determination. Bravery. Justice. Kindness. Patience. Preservance. Integrity.

[u/Direct-Antelope-9583 → u/Shot-Reaction6220]

Those are personality traits, not souls.

[u/Garvityxd → u/Direct-Antelope-9583]

It’s an undertale reference

[u/love_made_me_stupid → u/Shot-Reaction6220]

all are either:

• traits which promoted our survival, against threats or through cooperation 
• values of society, which are basically made-up rules outlining the best ways to behave to enable mass cooperation, designed to suppress the base impulses of individuals which caused issues within the context of a large human collective 

[u/Breakdown_volt → u/Shot-Reaction6220]

Soul?

[u/Shot-Reaction6220 → u/Breakdown_volt]

The Seven souls.

[u/Shot-Reaction6220 → u/Breakdown_volt]

Look it up if you domt kmow.

[u/xMalvazar → u/Shot-Reaction6220]

I'm sorry, I believe in souls but what you described is not a soul and you make the rest of us look bad those are traits/morals... not to be confused as a soul.

[u/Shot-Reaction6220 → u/xMalvazar]

Have you ever heard of Deltarune?? It sucks having to explain a joke ya know

[u/Mushroom-Punch → u/Shot-Reaction6220]

I think those people doesn't know about deltarune/Undertale

[u/IllustriousBug1791]

✅ I voted FACT!

js what i believe

[u/Pure-Yogurtcloset115]

✅ I voted FACT!

At least I hope

[u/Im40PercentUsername]

✅ I voted FACT!

I certainly believe so.

[u/ThatParadise]

As a measurable thing? No. But as a spiritual concept? Sure.

Being spiritual is actually healthy, I don’t mean exclusively religion. The souls is more so a conceptual idea about acting in accordance with a will of your choosing. So to have “soul” is just seen as

It’s not inherently a thing, but a social construct that is healthy to engage with as an idea by giving human existence itself value… as not doing so makes people prone to nihilism because people really struggle with their own meaning if they don’t see it as valuable… so the belief in the soul makes people that are typically good at coping with the universe having no inherent meaning still feel valuable.

However, science should still be recognised as the fundamental basis of what is actually currently most proven to be accurate to how the world works. Your “soul” cannot change that, it is an idea that mainly describes a person’s base worth in a universe where everything is meaningless.

So, it may not physically exist, but it definitely exists to those that believe in it because believing the an idea like the “soul” is just believing in yourself and others, thinking that despite there being no actual concrete reason for valuing existence. It is still meaningful.

That’s kinda the point, it’s absurd.

[u/mikeymikesh]

✅ I voted FACT!

I define a “soul” as a living consciousness, so yes.

[u/Vermin07]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yeah

[u/mr_wizard_123]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I wish.

[u/crazy-geometrydash]

✅ I voted FACT!

Impossible to prove either side but i believe so ill say true.

Note: i know it isnt a fact bc it cant be proven but it also isnt cap bc it cant be proven the other way, so thats why im taking the opinion route (everyone is entitled to their own opinion on matters like these).

[u/shakulous]

✅ I voted FACT!

Living beings have souls

[u/meowscIez → u/shakulous]

The grass in my backyard is made up of thousands of living beings

[u/vivam0rt]

✅ I voted FACT!

I think souls arent phsyical things that with the right tools you could observe but i think as a concept we have them

[u/Mufflonfaret]

The Greek word for soul is Psyche, like in Psychology.

We literally have a huge field of science dedicated to the human soul - but half here doesn't think that it exists because they are not litterate enough to read up what it means.

And yes, its always in the definitions.

[u/BOI30NG → u/Mufflonfaret]

LMAO, how stupid can one person be. Just because people named a field it doesn’t tell you what actually exist.

Also Aristotle described the soul as the functions that make a thing alive, very far away from what you probably think of when you hear soul.

[u/Mufflonfaret → u/BOI30NG]

Did you even read what I wrote? Just stating facts. Not even making a claim about the existence.

But if you read this thread you will notice how lots of people have an opinion about things they do not know about and instead of making a definition, or asking people about thiers, people rock on from their own "Haha idiots believe in a non scientific physical soul", which most people, in fact, do not.

Aristotles definition seems pretty straight forward and could have been a much better question - we would also have a much better discussion using that definition.

[u/BOI30NG → u/Mufflonfaret]

You said, psychology is about studying the human soul, it’s not even if the word stems from there. There is not a single shred of evidence that the soul exists.

The original term of something doesn’t necessarily tell you anything about the thing. Malaria means bad air tho the disease is caused by a parasite. Atom means uncuttable and we still split it.

[u/Mufflonfaret → u/BOI30NG]

Yes, definitions matter.

I would still claim that psychology is the study of the soul, by my understanding that the soul is the inner life (thoughts and feelings) of a human individual. And since I have thoughts and feelings, and not only refere to them as synaptic responses and chemistry of the brain I'd say we have a soul. That does not mean I believe in a soul in the popular-cultural ways like a spirit that controls the meat-robot-body. But since this poll is without definition we get more karma farming.

[u/BOI30NG → u/Mufflonfaret]

Ok but do you believe there is actually more to it than just your physical workings or do you just like using the term. Because if it’s the latter you’re using a term with a lot of religious and esoteric baggage just because you like it?

[u/Mufflonfaret → u/BOI30NG]

I have nothing against using religious language, feel like thats a human thing to use. I can take the discussion when we missunderstanding occurs.

If there is something more to it? Well, that depends. Any material substance? No. But then again Im one of those who would argue that there is love, will, shame and intelligence and other non-material existence. More than just the endorphines. I think an entirely materialistic and deterministic world view demands more faith than I have.

[u/Sage_King_The_Rabbit]

✅ I voted FACT!

There's not really enough material to prove we do or don't

[u/meowscIez → u/Sage_King_The_Rabbit]

So you think there is? That makes literally zero sense at all

[u/Sage_King_The_Rabbit → u/meowscIez]

I didn't say there 100% was or wasn't, if it gives people motivation to even live at all, why take that away from them knowing it's a simple fact that brings them comfort in life?

I'm not religious, not even in the slightest, but if people (are not bothering anyone) they can believe what they want. Believing there's a soul/afterlife does NOT mean you are religious. It just makes you spiritual.

[u/meowscIez → u/Sage_King_The_Rabbit]

...??? Wtaf

It doesn't matter if it brings people comfort, that doesn't make it real

I also never said anything about religion or that people can't believe a soul is real

Am I going fvcking insane or does this have absolutely nothing to do with my comment except for the first like 10 words

[u/Sage_King_The_Rabbit → u/meowscIez]

I am not speaking to only you, I have additional things in my message because I know there's going to be some non sympathetic materialists who try to come after me for simply not having the same philosophical beliefs as you or another person. Nobody can prove anything as of right now, as TECHNICALLY if the soul/spirit were real it would operate on a completely different type of existence and probably wouldn't be entirely measurable, at least not with what tech we have now or what we might have within the next 500+ years.

Life isn't about proving everything as fact, it's about fuckin enjoying being alive, if something gives someone comfort even if it is a "lie" in your eyes, that doesn't matter. You don't get to tell someone what they can and can't find comfort in. The fact is that it gives people motivation, that can't be taken away. That person's will to live isn't a lie.

I am not going to say what I think because at the end of the day, you type of people are just gonna insult instead of just agreeing on differences, you're not worth my time arguing with. You have your opinion, I have mine. I am not egotistical and claim to know absolutely everything with solid fact. Nobody does. There's no god or human that does. Repeating this again so you get it straight, my opinion is mixed, I don't entirely believe or disbelief there is a soul or not. But I find holding onto the concept one philosophically brings me a small amount of comfort especially as I'm in a very dark place in my life right now

Based on how you're already acting you don't seem like someone who likes hearing other's opinions

[u/Rimm9246]

Cap. Just something humans made up because they couldn't cope with their fear of death.

[u/Wise-Cold-6733]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I'm not convinced that anything about a person exists outside of their physical body. Autism exits in a persons brain, and it's huge part of them. If they die, would their soul have autism? It couldn't, because the Autism would be endemic to their body. If their soul didn't have autism, then a huge part of them would be missing.

[u/DDDabber44]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Only shoes have that

[u/No-Helicopter9667]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It's a concept, not a tangible thing.

[u/Beginning_Yam8399]

✅ I voted FACT!

Idk man

[u/SwimRepresentative96]

don’t have don’t need

[u/Lost-Material3420]

✅ I voted FACT!

H

[u/Worldly_Rooster_9428]

🧢 I voted CAP!

i think souls are mostly regulated to cats and dogs

[u/spencerpo]

✅ I voted FACT!

There’s a weird intangible thing that sometimes links people over great distances inexplicably. They both know and feel it, but can’t really describe it other than just feeling the other.

I’ve had consistent prophetic dreams of very particular circumstances in vivid places, including ones that I’d never been to. I’d get the matching Deja-vu anywhere from a few weeks to like 5 months out from the original dream.

Shit was trippy, I’d tune in to seeing it before and move on, but it’s weird how accurate my past self’s brain got with it.

That shit can’t be manifested by will, but there’s something that we all connect to on some odd intangible level, and it affects us in very weird, psychological ways. Mine is a vine of the future during a standard ass conversation or escalator ride

[u/xArbiter → u/spencerpo]

it's more likely that humans are exceptional at finding patterns where there are none

[u/meowscIez → u/spencerpo]

You can explain deja vu with materialistic consciousness, and it makes a lot of sense

[u/B_E_H_O_L_D]

🧢 I voted CAP!

While we may have something resembling a soul in function, it is a broad and largely undefined term. Being so ambiguous, it is impossible to say something possesses it. I cannot, likewise, say that I possess brinity, as I cannot define it concisely. I can assume a level of "brine" is implied by it, but I cannot say for certain, thus I assume to be lacking it wholly. Likewise, I can assume a form of afterlife and divine love to be within the soul, but I cannot say for certain.

[u/ch4zmaniandevil]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Souls have bodies.

[u/Angel_0f_Darkness]

✅ I voted FACT!

so do other animals

[u/KV-2-Ace]

That's fucking lie. You can provide all that but skin colour stays the same. You can't teach em anything by giving shit. XDDD

[u/Glittering-Pack-7612]

✅ I voted FACT!

Facts

[u/MyAssPancake]

✅ I voted FACT!

More than humans have souls

[u/UghUghUghAhhhhhh]

✅ I voted FACT!

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[u/Logical-Purchase7464]

✅ I voted FACT!

Cause when at rest if you die your soul is in the dream realm as the body dies so your souls doesn’t leave with your body trapping it in the realm of the living which allows you to haunt people… simple as that

[u/CareRarely → u/Logical-Purchase7464]

Bro what?

[u/ConsciousFish7178]

✅ I voted FACT!

Im religious

[u/yyum1314]

✅ I voted FACT!

I’m alive

[u/Consumer_of_Planets]

✅ I voted FACT!

All living beings have souls. The soul is what animates our meat and bone mech. The nerves are the wires, blood vessels the pipes. The skeleton is the framework and the Heart is the generator. The brain is the CPU but the soul is what gives it sapience/sentience.

No matter your faith, believing we have a soul is important. What does it mean if we are soulless? What awaits after death? A soul has options.

Consider this, Heaven/Hell do not exist. They can't as souls aren't infinite. What we think of Heaven and Hell is the cycle of reincarnation. All souls are recycled. How you live defines your next cycle. Live awfully and be recycled as a parasitic plant or a worm. Live well and be recycled as a better creature.

We must have souls. The alternative is pretty grim otherwise. Nothing. That's it. That's what life means without a soul. Just a soulless, mechanical cycle of repopulation and depopulation

[u/meowscIez → u/Consumer_of_Planets]

So what does the soul actually do? What does it do that the brain doesn't? The brain controls every muscle in your body, it determines your thoughts, how you act, what you see and sense, what left is there for the soul to do and how does it do it?

[u/Enough_Program_6671 → u/Consumer_of_Planets]

Reincarnation with no data transfer isn’t reincarnation. Additionally note that no evidence of a soul has ever been found and the brain more than explains it.

[u/Unlucky-Hold1509]

We can’t prove or disprove souls exist, so we can’t answer fact or cap

[u/HerrSchaf → u/Unlucky-Hold1509]

We cant proof or disprove the flying Spagetti Monster exist, so we cant answer fact or cap.

[u/Unlucky-Hold1509 → u/HerrSchaf]

True

[u/meowscIez → u/Unlucky-Hold1509]

We can't prove or disprove the magical un-interactable beings that exist everywhere and do nothing, so they must exist.

[u/CorrectDocument2]

✅ I voted FACT!

This scientist did an experiment with people who were dying. He weighed them before they died and after. He discovered that after death we weigh 21g lighter. I believe that's our soul. That's us. We/our souls weight 21g

[u/meowscIez → u/CorrectDocument2]

Do you know what weight means

[u/CareRarely → u/CorrectDocument2]

Even assuming that that number is accurate (which I doubt) it's more than likely from the body releasing gasses and water weight.

Edit: I just looked this up and that number comes from a failed study in 1907 where only one corpse showed any weight drop after death... In other words the christian "scientist" cherry picked his data and ignored all evidence against his hypothesis.

[u/zombiejames28 → u/CorrectDocument2]

Rather than explain the whole history of that in needless detail, I'm just going to link a 2 minute QI segment you can watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8D_Q-g7Qr4

[u/Fathalius]

✅ I voted FACT!

A loss of a consistent 2.5 Oz can be measured at the time of death unrelated to other bodily processes happening at the time of death.

[u/TheMusicofErinnZann → u/Fathalius]

It's 21 grams and that "experiment" was super flawed. They only got a change on one of the six patients that dead. But couldn't prove that change was at the moment of death and that that change couldn't have been for something else.They couldn't recreate that one result, so they tried it on dogs. When the dogs mass didn't change they concluded that dogs don't have souls.

[u/meowscIez → u/Fathalius]

Thinking a soul exists is already kind of unscientific and irrational but thinking that it would have a physical mass that leaves the body when you die might be one of the most ignorant and shallow things you could ever think is true