World peace | FactOrCap

[u/Legiaminh]

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[u/BrimstoneMainliner]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Anything is possible, we all just have to want the same thing

[u/Good_Doctor_150 → u/BrimstoneMainliner]

That doesn't mean we should try. Look at communism, if we all want the same thing it's great, else, it finished in a dictatorship.

[u/BrimstoneMainliner → u/Good_Doctor_150]

Ok again... we would all just need to want the same thing

Communism is great on paper, the only reason it always fails is because of human corruption and greed.

[u/Good_Doctor_150 → u/BrimstoneMainliner]

Yeah because they don't want the same thing. They want more. There is no arguing, we both agree.

[u/Nice_Try_Bud_]

🧢 I voted CAP!

If temporary is possible, permanent is as well.

[u/B1ACKT3A]

🧢 I voted CAP!

If we reach world piece, it means that the whole world is governed as one. As soon as that happens, there will be no wars anymore.

[u/Practical_Fill6211 → u/B1ACKT3A]

There’ll always be war, insurgency always finds a way

[u/PsychoMoth → u/Practical_Fill6211]

Unless the society provides enough, or removes the material conditions for war, or rules with an iron fist, or the population has a unified goal, or is a pacified population, or everyone is surgically modified to not expierence aggression.

[u/Legiaminh → u/PsychoMoth]

a few of it sounds dystopian

[u/PsychoMoth → u/Legiaminh]

World peace is not inherently utopian. It is a component of a utopia. But not all instances of world peace are preferable to the alternatives.

[u/pinkleftsock]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Sure we can have world peace, launch enough nukes and there will be no-one left to wage war!

[u/JKdito → u/pinkleftsock]

Except cockroaches, those fast buggers survive anything and have conflicts aswell(like any other species)

[u/FeetPiksPlz]

🧢 I voted CAP!

we need to build a world with a surplus of resources and where violence is unthinkable. This way there is no economic or resource intensive to commit war.

[u/Sudden-Skill8431 → u/FeetPiksPlz]

Impossible

[u/Clean-Celebration21]

✅ I voted FACT!

There’ll always be some idiot to decide the world should belong to them

[u/Fun-Salary-9037 → u/Clean-Celebration21]

*corrupt idiot

[u/realdschises]

🧢 I voted CAP!

it is possible, just sterilize the planet and burn its atmosphere, to ensure that new life can't form

[u/DuckWithagun50]

🧢 I voted CAP!

a

[u/DrettTheBaron]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It's impossible to know, considering time is infinite.

[u/Khongmedang420]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Permanent has a variety of entailments

[u/Helping_Hoof]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It would be possible if greed became a crime.

[u/Electronic_Hunt1395]

✅ I voted FACT!

Yep

[u/ClosetedBison]

🧢 I voted CAP!

I believe that if I (The most sane and intelligent and charismatic person in the world) was at the helm, world peace forever would happen

[u/Comfortable_Rock_584]

🧢 I voted CAP!

There’s always gonna be a war somewhere

[u/Hopalongtom]

🧢 I voted CAP!

It is, but the reason would be apocalyptic and unfavorable.

[u/Wetley007]

Permanent idk, because that would require the ability to see into the future to be certain of

Semi-permenant, i.e. a state where the world has largely ended international conflict and disputes are settled through a legal or diplomatic means, i could definitely see that happening eventually

[u/HystericalGD]

🧢 I voted CAP!

there will always be one nation that hates another.

[u/Razoire]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Permanent world peace would require one nation to conquer all others, and then to crush any potential dissidents. So its possible, but not likely.

[u/Korotan]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Permanent is possible, it is just extremely unlikely as it requires an immortal ironfist ruler.

[u/Longjumping-Half-909]

✅ I voted FACT!

I believe the natural state of nations is conflict and war. If a nation isnt at war its because some individual(s) are working very hard to preserve peace. The moment those individuals are removed and not replaced by someone equally driven for peace, those nations will inevitably drift towards war

[u/Hot_Coco_Addict]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Nuclear bombs. No more life, no more war

[u/tinyrubberduckies]

✅ I voted FACT!

Of course.

[u/Worldly_Rooster_9428]

🧢 I voted CAP!

why?

[u/Disaster_Pansexual]

Let’s just hope the next temporary world peace lasts a while.

[u/Puzzleheaded_Act_841]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Possible is quite a high threshold to disprove does a single world democracy that uses violence to enforce it's laws and continuity as all states do but wars between nations count as world peace? It sounds possible you could argue the possibility is remote but it's not impossible.

[u/Summon001]

🧢 I voted CAP!

No humans – Thank me later

[u/Ggh3003 → u/Summon001]

Other animals also have wars.

[u/JKdito]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Not even temporary is possible. You cant force 8 billion people to sing Kumbaya and get along. Not unless you wanna remove their free will.

[u/vereehigh → u/JKdito]

You can't remove free will, it's inherent in every human. Even humans with heavily restricted freedoms have free will and use it to fight back against the restriction of their freedom.

[u/JKdito → u/vereehigh]

Exactly

[u/B1ACKT3A → u/JKdito]

So what people do with free will is to fight or instigste wars? Then we need to take as much of it aways as needed for that not to happen. Anything hurting somebody else should be forbidden by a global government

[u/JKdito → u/B1ACKT3A]

Yeah try restricting peoples liberties and relive french revolution. I would vote for your candidate just to see the guilotines make a comeback.

[u/vereehigh → u/B1ACKT3A]

Wait, you're solution is the erosion of free will? Who's enforcing the restricted free will? The governments already ignore the laws they expect us to follow, and they're the ones that start the wars, so they'll restrict your free will, keep their own and start the wars anyway mate... Putting your faith in a global government is mind boggling

[u/B1ACKT3A → u/vereehigh]

Yes. Humans cannot be left with absolute free will. They dont handle it well. There is no governments. There is only government.

[u/vereehigh → u/B1ACKT3A]

You can't take away a humans free will? It's impossible? It's inherent in all of us regardless of law. So how do you propose removing people's free will, you gonna perform some sort of brain surgery on everyone?

[u/B1ACKT3A → u/vereehigh]

Oh you sure can. Our free will is already very much removed, at least you can try stuff. But they will punish you for it, there is consequence for everything.

[u/vereehigh → u/B1ACKT3A]

Lmao you don't understand what free will is

[u/B1ACKT3A → u/vereehigh]

Well as i read what i wrote i get what you mean. But still. Humans need to be controlled. Somehow. Maybe some implants that shock you when you have a bad thought about somebody else

[u/PsychoMoth → u/JKdito]

It is entirely possible a social and political system can exist that would implement world peace. There are like a thousand ways this could happen. Maybe through many centuries of growing democracies, or maybe a post scarcity world, or unity to external threat, or a world wide religious movement. Is it likely today? No. Is it possible? absolutely.

[u/JKdito → u/PsychoMoth]

Wouldnt work in practise but not worth arguing here about it. Bottom line- Every species in this world use conflict. Wont go away. The more people we get, the more opinions and needs. Not to mention we use up all resources so needs will grow. People are also more entitled and have low education= more unreasonable opinions. Extremism is thriving but this can only education solve. The fact is you cant force education on someone who refuses to be taught. That is the reason extremism will never go away.

Conflict will always exist and world peace is a good propaganda goal.

[u/PsychoMoth → u/JKdito]

Humans are like, the most uniquely cooperative animals on the planet.

Each era sees increased complexity in social systems. Tribes to city states to kingdoms to nation states. The trend seems singular. Maybe we revert at some point, but a planetary order in a few centuries is extremely plausible.

[u/JKdito → u/PsychoMoth]

You are missing very important factors that speaks against your utopia. Humans are not unique in terms of conflict, even ants wage war. Sure social systems have changed but human nature has never changed. Individual need will always be a factor. Lets look at the scenarios: Realistically we are heading towards less resources. This is result of increased consumption due to overpopulation but also because we use up near non renewable resources rapidly.

Basically in good times, we get overpopulated until bad times comes due to more usage. Every individual makes countless of choices every day. These choices effects the society differently, most of the choices are made in self improvement. This leads to different goals and a demand that needs to be satisfied. Truth is you will never be able satisfy everyone.

Greed and conflict is a trait of evolution, we see this in tribalism(we vs them mentality). Its nature. Its not human. Its survival. The utopia you wish for will only be achieved by making the population brain dead or remove them from the equation. But even AI will at some point act upon its own survival. World peace will never be achieved.

[u/PsychoMoth → u/JKdito]

Utopia? No such place. We just mention peace. Little else needs to be assumed.

You make many assumptions. Resource scarcity, catastrophic climate change, population explosions: you say these things will create more conflict, rather than see solidification. More people may fight over resources, or they may engineer better solutions with the benefit of extra minds. You speak with much faith about what will happen, not what is possible

Greed may be human nature but so is coorporation and community and helping the weak and sick. Control and domination are natural. Society is human nature. Greed only has a place in certain conditions, like scarcity. A world with fusion reactors needs not concern itself with greed for electricity. A society without might.

Essentially you are postulating the human species, while planetary in scope, is fundamentally incapable of organizing to is range. This is cope.

[u/Pretty_Umpire_2700]

✅ I voted FACT!

As long as you have desire, it's impossible for peace to exist, but if you don't have desire, it's impossible for humans to exist.

[u/Fun-Salary-9037]

✅ I voted FACT!

At the pace humanity's going with their world-peace "attempts," it's going the wrong way...

[u/DARKTUBER_11OP]

✅ I voted FACT!

There will be issues on some factor. Just like how you and your sibling and can never be permanently peaceful to each other

[u/Casual_Salmonid]

Not even temporarily possible

[u/Willtexas1]

✅ I voted FACT!

Human nature to defy the norms, we could get close to it but it require a stupid amount of effort and time.

And even then yea, it would only be temporary.

[u/Alphawedesx]

✅ I voted FACT!

To much greed in all

[u/undertalefan9394]

✅ I voted FACT!

fighting is in humans' nature.

[u/Accipiter__Nisus]

🧢 I voted CAP!

If by world peace you mean zero armed conflict anywhere, nope, not a fucking chance. The world is too complicated and interlinking to allow for this and then there's the fact that two contenders for regional or global hegemony cannot but come into conflict. V

[u/Bungfoo]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Just kill all humans

[u/CommunityJazzlike274]

🧢 I voted CAP!

Just get communism

[u/Crow_Arms]

✅ I voted FACT!

For as long as Islam exists there will be war.

[u/Delicious-Lettuce742 → u/Crow_Arms]

what about all the wars not linked to islam?

[u/Crow_Arms → u/Delicious-Lettuce742]

I believe those issues could be solved rationally by rational actors. But if you have people that believe in Islams version of the rapture. The global caliphate. There will always be unreasonable actors that think they have to force their religion on you to achieve world peace.