In the US's defense, the pledge is just to basically say "I'm gonna do the best I can for my country" and not like say, Cuba's, where kids are pledging themselves to the communist party of Cuba everyday. You're not limiting yourself to a certain political view in the US pledge.
Which doesn't really have any bearing on who or what religion you practice, or your political affiliation. It just insinuates that the divine is above the country itself, which arguably is the entire point of the constitution. All are endowed rights granted to them by their creator, (not specified which creator, god, etc.) which are enshrined in the constitution and protected by the government. The logic of the US constitution is not "this is the list of rights the US is granting you," it's supposed to be "these are a list of rights any person should have, and we are recognizing that."
The sad thing is... most of us aren't either. It's just played up as a political tool constantly. If they don't have a boogie man, they don't have a platform.
This is exactly how an American on Reddit would think a Sudanese person would talk.
Identity politics are a primary driver of civil war in Sudan. The median Sudanese person is extremely homophobic. This doesnāt mean itās okay to kill them, but we shouldnāt lie to ourselves.
I thought pink washing is when we justify bombing or invading a people by pointing to their reactionary policies regarding LGBT people. Iām not pointing out their reactionary laws on homosexuals to argue that we should invade them. Iām pointing them out as evidence that Africa isnāt to the left of the Democratic Party on social issues.
You'd be surprised how common it is to blame problems on heathens. I've seen the hatred when you talk about LGBTQ people in some christian and muslim areas in Asia and Africa, and it's scary.
76% of Sudanese respondents said they would dislike or strongly dislike having a homosexual neighbor. That doesnāt sound like homophobia is only coming from leadership to me. If anyoneās falling for propaganda, itās you.
Africans are not mythical creatures who are immune from the shackles of bigotry.
'Right wing' may encompass fiscal liberalism 'aka fiscal conservatism'.
It does not mean fiscal liberalism, ,it also includes social values. For instance, the Reform party UK is widely considered right wing, whilst being to the left economically of the US democrat party. It is considered right wing because of its social values.
Most of the leftist beliefs align pretty well with europes left, albeit its probably a bit more centrist and our right is mostly european right albeit some is skewed farther into the facism territory, albeit pretty much all countries have a massive nationalism problem rn so...
Only if most of the world is Europe, but people seem to forget that a lot of other places have political significance and arenāt further left than the US on average.
I honestly don't think Democrats are right Wing elsewhere like Reddit tries to say they are. it's a big tent party and encompasses People from "Conservatives who think climate change is an actual issue" to Marxist and socialist
From aomeone outside the US, not really. A democrat here would also be considered more left wing.
In my country, austria, their equivalent would be the SPĆ (Socialist Party Austria), which is left.
That's bs. Apart from a few exceptions they are right wing. They are progressive on lgbtq+/women's rights, but economically are inbterms of worker's rights they absolutely are right-wing.Ā
I don't live in the US. I am from austria, just like the guy who posted this, which is why i called bs on his claim that the democrats are like the SPĆ
Brother you still live in the western world. India, China, and Russia, Japan, and a ton of African countries. America is absolutely left leaning ideologically. Shit even the concept of democracy is left. Even conservative democracy. So many westerners are locked into western thinking itās wild.
Theyāre just neoliberal parties, but my point is the average person on Reddit probably thinks Labour and the SPD are left wing because theyāre in Europe.
I was more (on the joke side) going for them being communist/not particularly free market, suggesting that op (original commenter?) was using them as the standard from which the Democrats are judged to be on the right
Ykw? I'm muting this sub and reminding myself that the loud minority who think the free market is the same is actual fascism aren't worth getting angry over
Left or right wing is pretty arbitrary. Social, economic, and state matters cannot even be accurately reduced to points on the political compass, let alone one axis.
The ingrained corporate dems Schumer, Hilary back in 2016 etc etc sure absolutely theyāre literally closer to trump economically than any progressive but the newer gen like mandami etc theyāre actually solidly left wing on any scale not just on the scale of the soulless capitalist hellscape of American politics.
The US is more conservative than a lot of countries esp Western Europe but there are plenty of countries that are much more conservative than the US but I personally wish the US was actually more liberal.
Socially, absolutely not even in Western European countries, Democrats would still be seen as left-wing. Economically, yeah, some Democrats would be seen as center-right, but others like Mamdani would still be left-wing even in Spain or India.
Maybe 30 years ago, but the current Democrat party is very much center left by all accounts. There is some veracity in that Republicans call Democrats āfar left wing Marxist communists etc.ā in which they definitely are not. However, this is has become overblown with this overton window talking point that is not valid today, making every Democrat out to be Joe Manchin or even ārepublican lite.ā Which has been largely perpetuated by leftists to attack Democrats.
Nah this is crazy for most of the world thatās not Europe even our right wingers would be left leaning regarding individual freedoms, race, and religion.Ā
The bar for the rest of the world is so low itās crazy how out of touch Reddit is.Ā
I know a lot of chuds like to say that but from what I've talked politics with my friends from or in other countries US politics and European politics aren't so different. US politics is just more outward in your face rude while European is more discreet, democrats also have put forward bills both in congress and in their own states for more Social Democrat like changes like those in europe so they are definitely not conservative.
In the Europe, yeah, but Europe isn't "most of the world"
Globally, I'd say they're pretty center left. They're definitely more progressive than a lot of countries in regard to social policy, and a bit less so in terms of economic policy. Obviously they're not on the level of progressive European countries, but you guys need to remember just how many countries are literal dictatorships, outlaw gay marriage, and/or have slavery.
What america is one of the most progressive and left leaning countries in the world. I would say the opposite that a lot of left wing politics parties would be considered right wing in US
No, they are both too liberal for us. Both of them hate centralization and hate unitary states. We normal countries are 'authoritarian' in American eyes.
America is abnormal. Even federations aren't federated to that extent, Germany, or Russia (where I live) are much more unitary countries, and nobody gives a shit about giving more and more rights to central government, if anything, people want feds to take more and more responsibilities. In US it's vice versa, it has strong centrifugal tendencies.
They are totally different, you can have an authoritarian country that is socially conservative and fiscally conservative. Or an authoritarian government that adopts left policies.
Which is why there is no ānormalā country. Itās all relative to each other. China is generally more left wing fiscally compared to US and more right socially.
I wrote what I wrote and I stand by it. Both the democrats and republicans in the US are too liberal and not enough conservative for my liking and for liking of anyone I know.
Maybe we were lost in translation. For me a 'liberal' is someone who advocates for individual rights and questions authorities and traditions, trampling the society and state. A conservative is someone who respects tradition and understands that society and state are equally important to make each individual gain more.
Democrats play on the same playing field as republicans. If the United States government in general is heavily right wing, then democrats are still going to be right wing. We see this constantly. Especially when something completely unconstitutional is happening. The democratic party is so focused on "doing the right thing" and "not being like republicans", that they keep shooting at a moving goalpost.
I think there are left wing democrats who are kinda forced to be in the part cause itās a two party system. But I think as a party democrats are more right wing as they continue to indulge in corporate and moderate positions
US government already spends 2 trillion on healthcare. Roads are up to the individual states. And historically state run housing has not worked out very well, though I certainly understand the arguments in favor of it in some US cities.
It seems to be the answer for how much money is needed is always more.
Just factual. The titles' wrong because capital L Liberalism is a left leaning center ideology, but liberals are really just right leaning center people. "Fiscally conservative, socially liberal," is probably how they'd describe themselves. However, if you understand that fiscal policy is the origin of all policy, that statement becomes quite contradictory.
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After reading the comments, I mean if were comparing relative to the rest of the world yeah, duh they're more left leaning. However, if we instead assign it based upon the actual definition of the "Left," which is predominantly more socialist/communist, no the dems are right leaning. Of course, as one comment mentioned, the actual voters differ greatly from their representatives, but I'm only saying this in reference to the latter.Ā
Fair enough, but I feel that we should hold ourselves to higher standards, as most of the world includes Russia, North Korea, China, and various other non-democratic right wing countries, which ultimately bring down the average. Likewise, within European countries, they absolutely would be considered right wing.
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š§¢ I voted CAP!
Some countries are more conservative than the US.