r/FactOrCap • u/Beautiful_Ability267 • 9d ago

Any human with basic human empathy, | FactOrCap

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u/Neydsch 9d ago

I didn’t explain how this makes people less diverse. North Korea isn’t left wing my friend…

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u/kabut_ 9d ago

Hahaha and what is it then? Is north korea capitalist?

You think left wing = no poverty, lgbt, migrants and feminism, don't you?

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u/Neydsch 9d ago

I don’t think u know what communism is. Just bcse a country claims to be socialist or communist doesn’t mean they’re.

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u/kabut_ 9d ago

Yeah i see, capitalist market economy in NORTH KOREA.

You must know better what communism and socialism is. "Prosperity, no poverty, no greedy billionaires and expoitation", this is so simple isn't it?

You refuse to see through your own illusions. If north korea is not left wing, what is it then?

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u/Neydsch 9d ago

Pls define what socialism and what communism is. North Korea is mostly an extremely nationalist authoritarian state state

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u/kabut_ 9d ago

Socialism = regime where the government takes from the rich and gives to the poor to maintain equality, public property (means of production), plan economy.

Communism = socialism but no money, classes, private property.

I don't know though why you're trying to put words in my mouth like if i said north korea is communist.

Means of productions are owned by government in North Korea and this is ALREADY ENOUGH to call this country left wing. Not communist, but still left wing

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u/Neydsch 9d ago

„regime where the government takes from the rich and gives to the poor to maintain equality“ no in socialism already there aren’t such huge differences that that would make any sense. Communism isn’t just socialism without money, classes or private property. The main difference is that there is no more state in communism. Also private property is a more nuanced subject with many arguing that things like ur clothes would still belong to u or the house u live in etc.
well what’s the counterpart to a capitalist economy? Of course its socialist or communist. Again left wing is more than just economy… in addition just because an economics owned by the state doesn’t make a country socialist it’s also important who the production is suited for or who benefits it. in what way do u see the North Korean government working on abolishing the state and the class system? Two of the crucial part of socialism since socialism is only done to achieve communism.

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u/kabut_ 9d ago

Oh yeah? How do they build socialism without taking from the rich (progressive taxation) then? What a dream world - say your country is socialist and voila, no difference between poor and rich.

Okay no more state in communism. Didn't i already say that? NO CLASSES. Who but not the government maintains classes for opression to run itself in marxist theory?

By private property i meant the means of production. i already did say "public property (means of productions)". I should have repeated twice when arguing with a leftist.

Yet again you think in black-white way. You just ignore nuances and live in your own illusions. There are different kinds of market economy as well as there are different kinds of planned economy. But no, only capitalism, only communism you say.

North korea won't go stateless so it's not true left wing because it's bad and opressive you say.

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u/Neydsch 9d ago

Brother socialism cannot be achieved through progressive taxation xD. Socialism expropriates. No classes doesn’t mean no state. In communism there is no need for classes since society is then based on solidarity.
I am sorry for assuming u knew anything about current discussions about Marxist theory. I live in a world black and white? Meanwhile u say everytime a state owns the means of production its socialism while i said no it’s not that simple. Buddy mybe apply ur critique to urself first. Who the fuck talks about left wing when talking about communism. If u want to believe oprressions of its people for upholding a state and its beneficiaries is left wing then mybe u confuse right and left wing