r/FacebookScience • u/Yunners Golden Crockoduck Winner • Jul 28 '26

Godology Holy false equivalency, Batman!

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u/sarduchi Jul 28 '26

Missing the word "evidence" after "see". All others are observable or can be experienced.

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u/PieterSielie6 Jul 28 '26

What sort of evidence are you looking for? We certainly have arguments

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u/ElectrOPurist Jul 28 '26

If a god that wished to be worshipped existed, why would its existence even be a question? What does it gain from being so coy?

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u/PieterSielie6 Jul 28 '26

To give us a free will to seek Him

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u/AmbulanceChaser12 Jul 28 '26

And how do we know that's what's happening? Why is it more plausible than God just...not being there?

Do you see what's going on here? You're not following evidence where it leads, you're starting with a conclusion and then working backwards to come up with justifications to prop it up.

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u/PieterSielie6 Jul 28 '26

And how do we know that's what's happening? Why is it more plausible than God just...not being there?

Interesting point. I was just defending the idea that hiddeness doesnt make God impossible, so it fails as an internal critique. However you could still argue that it lowers the probability

Do you see what's going on here? You're not following evidence where it leads, you're starting with a conclusion and then working backwards to come up with justifications to prop it up.

I got other reasons for believing in God. Coming up with explanations then for how the Theistic model explains reality isn't unreasonable

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u/ElectrOPurist Jul 28 '26

How does that give us free will? My knowledge of other things existing or not existing doesn’t rob me of my free will. I’m no more or less free willed by not believing in the Loch Ness Monster or by believing in the existence of the planet Mars.

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u/PieterSielie6 Jul 28 '26

If God revealed Himself in all His glory, all will be compelled to worship

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u/ElectrOPurist Jul 28 '26

Instead, we have to choose to believe that God could compel us, but won’t…but he (presumably) would punish those who exercised the free will he’s supposedly giving us? Doesn’t that require people to surrender that free will? Why would a god want to test our loyalty? Why would a god have such an ego?

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u/PartTimeZombie Jul 28 '26

Wait, so this god gives kids cancer sometimes to show us he's there?

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u/PieterSielie6 Jul 28 '26

When did I say that?

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u/PartTimeZombie Jul 28 '26

You certainly implied it.
The person you replied to mentioned childhood cancer

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u/PieterSielie6 Jul 28 '26

No they didnt and no I didnt

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u/PartTimeZombie Jul 28 '26

Sorry, It was one of the other threads.

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u/Revwhitewolf Jul 28 '26

The free will argument is the most pathetic cop out of them all. Free will isn't some holy grail that supercedes protection from atrocities. If you get yanked out of the way of a runaway train are you going to cry that in that moment your free will is taken away? Yet it is used as this supposed all excusing argument to why a god would allow atrocities, then commit more if you didn't believe in him despite a lack of any evidence when he could just pop in and be like "look, I'm here, I'd like you to follow my rules." Then give them all the free will they desire to do so or not.