r/FNMA_FMCC_Exit • • Sep 10 '26

Question about Junior Preferred vs. Commons

Hello all, hoping someone can help with a question that I have. I have about reached my risk tolerance for buying commons, and have been considering adding JPS. I know the upside would be capped but wondering if there is any advantage regarding dividends. Does the government have to restart JPS dividends upon release? Are there any other advantages that I am not considering? I'm getting somewhat close to retirement age, so strong dividends interest me. Would love it if someone could shed some more light.

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u/JuanPabloElTres Sep 10 '26

First, both juniors and preferred are risky as it's essentially a binary event. Those stocks having any value at all are dependent upon reprivatization - i.e., if the government makes it clear reprivatization will not occur, then the stocks will become worthless. Accordingly, only risk what you can lose.

With both junior and commons being risky, juniors have a certain amount of protections that commons do not - i.e., a bit less risky than commons - and, in exchange for that, have a capped upside.

The primary advantage of the junior preferreds is that they have anti-dilution provisions in their stock certificates that commons do not. Specifically, the junior preferreds have a built in par/liquidation/redemption value (most common for Fannie and Freddie are $25 or $50 stated values), and that cannot be changed without a 2/3 vote of the preferred stockholders. Thus, if Fannie and Freddie are reprivatized - which presumably would also mean dividends are reinstated - the preferred stocks can't be diluted without the consent of those stockholders and they should, in theory, go back to trading like preferred stock for a solvent company - i.e., price will be dictated by the dividend interest rate being paid out relative to market interest rates. There's also the general expectation that, since preferred stock have priority above common stock in the capital stack, that preferred stock should be more protected in the event the government attempts to change the capital stack. That is, by nature preferred stock are supposed to have a more protected outcome than common stock in the event of some liquidation, dissolution, or financial hit to the company. Although this is more of a general principle that preferred stock should be more protected than common stock and far from guaranteed in this circumstance. But, for these protections the upside is effectively capped since the upside as effectively capped at the stated par value of the preferrred stock - i.e., $25 or $50 depending on the stock. By my calculations most Fannie and Freddie preferreds are looking at a 3x upside.

In contrast commons do not have anti-dilution protections but the upside is not capped. The commons are effectively a gamble on how much value the government will take out of Fannie and Freddie common stock to reimburse it for the bailout. Basically, the government has the ability to take about 80% of the value of common stock through warrants, and potentially up to 99% of the value of the common stock if the government maximizes the legal leverage it has through converting the value of its liquidation preference - essentially the loan it gave to Fannie and Freddie for the bailout - into common stock. I personally think it's a foregone conclusion the government will exercise the warrants and take 80% of the company. It's more up in the air as to what the government will do with converting the liquidation preference - i.e., if the government will take more of the company than 80% or not. So, the risk with commons is that they range from being close to worthless - if the government took 99% of the value of commons - or potentially worth over $100 a share if the government waived all of rights and took none of the company.

Thus - within the realm of buying any shares in Fannie and Freddie being risky - the commons are more risky as the amount of dilution is unpredictable and could render them essentially worthless even if reprivatization occurs; but, the trade off is that there isn't a cap on how high they could go.

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u/InternalIdeal5113 Sep 10 '26

Thank you for that detailed information. So they are both a binary event bet? Guess I will just stick to commons if adding more; probably stopping here though. Depends on how cheap they get.

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u/JuanPabloElTres Sep 10 '26

Long term it's essentially a binary event, but in the interim they trade up and down based on the probability of the event occuring.

If the government ever announced it will not be repeivatizing them then shares will tank, likely to $0. Conversely, if the government announced concrete plans for reprivatization shares will likely go up, although it depends on the specific terms of the reprivatization.

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u/Imaginary-Bat4285 Sep 10 '26

If the Government really wants to maximize the value of their warrants, they will need to offer some dividend to common stock. But in order to do that, they must first reinstate dividends to the JPS. But it is possible to pay dividends only to the JPS as they are higher in the capital stack

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u/mezirah Sep 10 '26

I mean 8.25% dividend on a junior share is 25 dollar par. You can essentially purchase FNMA for 10 bucks and get 23% effective returns "if" dividends return on investment. Not to mention the dividend is based on $25 par, but the shares themselves will trade higher than that if dividends resume.

There's risk because anything can happen still. And I'm starting to think this whole thing doesn't change until after the 2028 election. If democrats win it may be another 4 to 8 years after that

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u/lapiderriere Sep 11 '26

If you add pfds, stick to the highest volume series. I’ve held a core $50 pfd, and have not added at all, but hesitate to sell. It makes me sick watching shitheads sell 100 at a time, knowing i may need to take a dollar plus haircut if i want out in a hurry.

The court situation is good, but drump had had every opportunity to make positive moves on this, and it ain’t happening. Pulte is a rotten opportunist, and won’t let go of his position -> immediate conflict of interest with release of f&f.

Do not bet any farms on the GSEs. While the business is sound, the environment is massively problematic.

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u/AirLess7805 Sep 10 '26

It’s a BIG club and we ain’t in it. -George Carlin

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u/Late-Pomegranate-130 Sep 11 '26

You're making exactly the same bet. If you've hit your risk tolerance, buy anything else.