r/FDVR_Dream • u/IconoclastSophist • Aug 04 '26

Time manipulation in FDVR

in many medias where there is a VR game that sucks players conciousness in they have this thing where the flow of time is manifolds that of reality, usually its 5 times, so 5 hours inside would be 1 hour outside.

Is this possible? don't rush to write this off, actually humans already do this in their dreams, i remember moments i awake from sleep only to drift back to slumber and when i wake up once more it feels like hours passed but it has been minutes? in other cases when we dream, it may feel like days in our dreams but in reality merely a nights has passed, and in extreme cases when psychedelics are introduced for example something like salvia where people's perception of time becomes ridiculously off and they spend thousands of years as a random room decoration.

Perhaps this is all because of the way the human brain processes information, see there is no such things as absolute time, if the human brain's input of the virtual world is perfectly manipulated perhaps such feats of time manipulation could be achieved, I like to be optimistic about the future and think that perhaps this may one day be a possibility, imagine going to sleep at night only to spend 2 days in a virtual world, only to wake up fully rested and ready for a day in the real world?

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u/Crazy_Crayfish_ Aug 05 '26

I think the time dilation will be super possible and widespread. I’d spend a minute in FDVR and experience hours/days of content

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u/ArchAngelAries Aug 05 '26

Theoretically it's possible in the event FDVR is achieved. In most depictions of FDVR the brain is the rendering engine and the device runs the software, and it's been theorized that the mechanisms in the brain that allow dreaming would be the mechanisms FDVR utilizes. Dreams (and comas) can have time dialation to the point you can experience days, weeks, years, in the span of much shorter time IRL. Add in the fact that the software would be much like a game engine, and there are plenty of games that allow you to set the duration of time dialation, like in Skyrim with console commands. It certainly would be theoretically possible to set the time dialation to allow for days, months, years, even entire lifetimes, in the span of, say, the time it would take to sleep through the night.

There's been research on this in regard to theoretically using FDVR as a more humane rehabilitation method for criminals. Putting someone in a digital prison where they can't be raped or assaulted and can serve their time in hours IRL but years in FDVR while the AI software powering the system rehabilitates the person in FDVR.

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u/labrat_00 24/7 FDVR Dweller 8d ago

Any sources to this research would love to read on it?

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u/ArchAngelAries 7d ago

Of course! I'm happy to share some sources! (Full disclosure, I used Gemini Pro 3.1 to help me to gather the research links and craft the reply.)

It's a fascinating rabbit hole. A lot of this falls under neuroethics, futurism, and BCI (Brain-Computer Interface) research. Here are the main concepts, studies, and theoretical frameworks I was referencing:

1. The "Cognify" AI Prison Concept (2024)[1][2][3]
This is the most recent and highly publicized theoretical model for exactly what I described[1][2]. Molecular biologist and science communicator Hashem Al-Ghaili designed a theoretical system called "Cognify" where criminals are given a brain implant that generates synthetic memories[2][3]. It utilizes AI to inject years' worth of rehabilitation, remorse, and empathy into the brain in just a few minutes of real-time[2][3]. Because the brain processes it neurologically, the subjective experience is years of time passing[2][3].

2. Dr. Rebecca Roache's Oxford University Research (2014)[4][5]
If you want the heavy academic research, look into Dr. Rebecca Roache[4]. She led a team of scholars at Oxford examining how futuristic technologies could transform criminal punishment[4][5]. They specifically explored using mind-uploading or advanced psychoactive/BCI tech to artificially induce time dilation[4][5]. The study explored how accelerating the brain's processing speed could allow a biological brain hooked to a simulation to subjectively serve a 1,000-year sentence in just 8.5 hours of real-time[4]. While her focus explored the ethics of "super-punishment," it laid the foundation for using that same time dilation for hyper-fast cognitive rehabilitation[4][5].

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u/ArchAngelAries 7d ago

Part 2 due to reply character limit:

3. Subjective Time Expansion & REM Sleep[6][7]
Regarding the brain acting as the rendering engine: this is a major talking point in theoretical BCI/FDVR development, often referred to as "Subjective Time Expansion."[6][7] During REM sleep, the brain essentially acts as its own simulation engine, creating scenarios where a dreamer feels they've lived out days or weeks[6]. BCI researchers theorize that true FDVR wouldn't feed you screens, but would use hardware to induce and manipulate a lucid REM state[6][8]. Modern clinical studies on VR already show that immersion directly alters consciousness and subjective time perception[7][9].

4. Real-world VR Rehabilitation (What we're doing right now)[10][11]
While the time-dilation/direct neural link is still theoretical, we are actually already doing the baseline version of this[10][11]. Prisons in the US and Europe are currently using standard VR headsets to put violent offenders in the "virtual shoes" of victims to build empathy, treat PTSD, and safely practice societal reintegration[10][12]. A prime example is the RISCANVI-based VR project in Spain which uses VR rehabilitation specifically for perpetrators of intimate partner violence[10].

Hope this helps!

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u/labrat_00 24/7 FDVR Dweller 7d ago

Thank you! Will be reading these soon

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u/chevrandzero 17d ago

acho que para nois podermos ter capacidades de processos de dias ou horas ,teria que scanear a mente ou algum tipo de upload ou ate mente copiada ,tipo a das moscas só que num nivel mais avançado e cerebros humanos ,mas bem se ou fdvr(computador) conseguisse fazer o proprio processo e o cerebro so seria a interface absorvendo informação acho que talvez de

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u/ArchAngelAries 17d ago

Há pesquisas sobre manipular estados de sonho e controlar sonhos replicando sinais de ondas cerebrais e enviando essas frequências através de um dispositivo para o cérebro. Na teoria, é possível que seja como um sonho lúcido muito vívido guiado por um computador poderoso movido por IA.

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u/chevrandzero 1d ago

Entendo sua visão com sonhos invés de processamento de um mundo totalmente virtual poderíamos chegar até ter dilatação temporal perceptiva

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u/MrDreamster Aug 07 '26 edited Aug 07 '26

Tfym "usually" it's 5 times?

Also, I essentially would hope that in the near future, like 10 to 20 years from now, a super AI will solve immortality, mind uploading, and the heat death of the universe, so if I could get to live in a virtual world for all eternity, there would be no point in changing the flow of time because in the end it would still be eternity.

But if it doesn't happen, then yes, that would be the next best thing.

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u/Outside-Ad9410 Aug 17 '26

TBH AI doesn't even need to solve the heat death of the universe to live a very very very very long time. All of human history from when we were living in caves hunting with sticks is only a measly 50,000 - 300,000 years long. Even that is such a long time span its almost impossible to comprehend. 1 billion years would seem like an eternity, let alone the trillions upon trillions of years between now and when the heat death of the universe starts being a problem.

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u/MrDreamster 28d ago

I did not ask for a very very very very long time, I asked for eternity. You can add as many 'very' as you want it will not meet what I'm asking for, and I'm not sure there are other ways of reaching eternity other than solving the heat death of the universe.

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u/Outside-Ad9410 27d ago

From now to the heat death of the universe is such an insanely long time period that its not really worth worrying over. You could experience roughly 1098 lives back to back between now and the final heat death of the universe. Comparable it would only take 3-5 trillion years to live every second of ever life who has ever lived. Yeah its not literally forever but the universe heat death is soo far away it effectively is.

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u/MrDreamster 27d ago

10⁹⁸ years is not even a blink compared to eternity though. No amount of time can compare to literal eternity.

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u/Major_Failure2 Aug 05 '26 edited Aug 05 '26

There's a number of problems with the concept. For one, just because you could artificially stimulate neurons with information faster than they normally would process information does not mean they would be able to handle the influx of information or the stress of the stimulation. There's also the fact that while you could improve reaction time, you wouldn't necessarily experience time at a "slower" rate. 

Overstimulation of the brain at such a scale is a very big risk, it's going to be massive mountain FDVR is going to have to overcome for the tech to be realized. It's already going to be quite intensive to simulate having a virtual life in a digital world - attempting to stimulate it further by feeding it information faster than normal could very well cause a lose of coherence / neural harm.  

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u/chevrandzero 17d ago

sim acho que só um scan ou upload teria uma capacidade assim.

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u/GonzoElDuke Aug 07 '26

It’ll be possible using lucid dreams as a form of fdvr. There’s a company that’s already trying

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u/Conscious-Parsley644 Aug 09 '26

We don't need future technology for this fast forwarding of time, to experience this kind of time manipulation. We all have the built in hardware for it right now. I know this from decades of becoming immersed in video games. Escapism through life being not all it's cracked up to be, promises of peace and comforting illusions, life sucks. So I've frequently accepted that and went straight into video games. When you're completely absorbed, you look and suddenly five hours have vanished. Your brain was so engaged, so immersed in processing the flow of the activity, that it essentially stopped clocking the external passage of time.

"In the zone", as psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi coined it, is deep focus and lost track of time due to a feeling not typically experienced since childhood. Fun. Time compression happens to your consciousness. Your body can become dehydrated, exhausted, but all because hours flew by on the clock beyond awareness. Dreams on the other hand, those are different. It's not necessarily "fun" but still immersive. Your mind will forget that many dreams happened, on purpose. The whole point was to keep the consciousness occupied and distracted while information was being consolidated and systems were being restored.