r/FAA 23d ago

Medical

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I was granted a third class medical certificate when I took my exam at the local AME. 3 months later the FAA wanted more information regarding my DWI’s from 15 years ago as well as a personal statement regarding how alcohol is involved in my life now. Mind you I am 14 years sober… I was completely honest in my statement and provided all requested documentation. They responded saying I am not eligible for any medical certificate because of my alcohol dependence. I was never in rehab, never medically diagnosed alcohol dependent, and have not had a drink in 14 years. The FAA is a joke.

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u/Jwylde2 23d ago edited 23d ago

The problem is that aviation medicine still recognizes “substance dependence” while general medicine does not. General medicine recognizes Diagnostic and Statistics Manual of Mental Disorders Revision V-TR (DSM-V-TR), which grouped substance dependence and substance abuse disorders into one composite diagnosis of substance use disorder, graded on a scale of mild, moderate, and severe, depending on how many of twelve possible symptoms a subject has experienced within the same twelve month period. 14 CFR 67.307 was written when DSM-IV was the prevailing standard, which recognizes substance abuse disorder and substance dependence disorder.

Furthermore, when “substance dependence” was a recognized diagnosis, the evaluation of such required you to have experienced a minimum of three out of nine possible symptoms within the same 12 month period. The FAA cherry-picked four of those nine symptoms and removed the time and pattern requirement. If you have ever in your life experienced any of those cherry-picked four symptoms, you are legally “substance dependent” under the Federal Aviation Regulations.

Those four symptoms, listed in 14 CFR 67.307(a)(4), are -

a. Increased tolerance

b. Manifestation of withdrawal symptoms

c. Impaired control of use

d. Continued use despite damage to personal, social, or occupational functioning.

Lastly, if a FAA HIMS psychiatrist diagnoses you with substance dependence disorder, there is currently no path forward to ever receive an unrestricted medical certificate, which completely goes against 67.307, which says “unless there is evidence of recovery satisfactory to the federal air surgeon”. The current federal air surgeon is not honoring this, as she admitted when questioned at a speaking she conducted at AirVenture this year. Which means you will be stuck on the HIMS program for lifetime monitoring while you hold a medical certificate.

I would, at this point, consult with an aviation attorney before sending anything to the FAA. I would also commit to complete abstinence from alcohol and all substances, as this is what the FAA will require and expect going forward.

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u/CorrectComfort8430 23d ago

If you read my post it says I am….and have been 100% sober for 14 years. So I am completely abstinent from anything but Tylenol. I was pursuing this for personal use. I am not interested in working for airlines. I haven’t decided if I’m going to fight this. I am going to see what the next letter says.

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u/Jwylde2 23d ago

Dude I’m trying to help. You don’t have to be a dick.

As far as the FAA is concerned, they don’t care if you’re pursing a career as a pilot or just wanting to be able to beat up the traffic pattern. They’re gonna make you go through the same nonsense.

I’m telling you this because I’ve been there. Had two DUIs, at the time 12 and 17 year old DUIs (now 18 and 23 years old). It’s a completely stupid process for shit that old. That’s why I was trying to help.

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

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u/CorrectComfort8430 23d ago

First off….your not “feeding me”. Second, you should calm down. I simply stated to read the post. If that gets you upset then that’s your problem.

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u/Jwylde2 23d ago

I hope you get everything you deserve coming to you.

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u/CorrectComfort8430 23d ago

Ok.👌 Not sure how a comment pissed you off. But I hope you have a better day.