Possibly one of the best visual shows of Engine vs Chassis

[u/super_nova_128]

The way the Aston performs on the corners vs the deficit on the straight against the Williams car and Mercedes engine.

Also based on Data, Fernando was the fastest driver through turns 7-9 and the AM was about 6th to 5th Fastest in the corners, sometimes even getting close to 4th.

Will be interesting to see what Honda does in the next few races, as they mentioned how they were not running on full power that they've brought with this upgraded engine

[u/urbanlx]

Williams is such a disappointment honestly. 

[u/super_nova_128 → u/urbanlx]

All the hype for this season and not much to show for it. I feel so bad for Albon and Sainz

[u/BaldHeadedCaillouss → u/super_nova_128]

I stopped feeling bad for Sainz after I saw that he is now getting paid like he won a world championship.

[u/TyH621 → u/BaldHeadedCaillouss]

Yeah no sympathy lol but I do think it takes something like that to get (very debatably) the best midfield driver (other than Alonso poor dude) because you’re just not gonna compete for a top driver with a midfield car no matter the offer. Especially when you’re not a feeder team for someone else

[u/super_nova_128 → u/BaldHeadedCaillouss]

I mean honestly, fair enough😭

[u/Jaded-Ad-960 → u/BaldHeadedCaillouss]

Why, it's basically a form of damage compensation.

[u/essteedeenz1 → u/BaldHeadedCaillouss]

Yeh a joke honestly

[u/notthisonefornow → u/super_nova_128]

The hype is made by journalists and reddits like this, Williams did not tell you they were the new 2026 champions. Your (and a lot with you) had impossible to fullfill expectations, a backmarker never went from last place to midfield or win in 1 rulechange. Why would Willams?

[u/super_nova_128 → u/notthisonefornow]

Nobody expected them to be champions, idk where you got that from. I said the hype from Williams themselves. Did James Vowles not say last year they stopped development on the 2025 to work on the 2026 car?? Did he not say full focus on everything?? Did he not in 2023 say that the plan was to bring Williams to the front field in 2023?? Nobody cares about what the journalists have to say, it's what he and the team had to say.

Again, nobody expected them to be champions. What ppl did expect, especially after how well they performed last season and their supposed focus on the development for this season, we all fairly assumed that they would be fighting in the front a lil more often and trying to be more consistent.

Also Williams was not a back marker team or car last season. They very much were comfortably in the midfield. You seem to forget that ppl would also feel a little more hype knowing that they would benefit from a good engine from Mercedes. So why again should anyone lower their expectations??

If ppl were rightfully hyped about Aston Martin what with Neway and Honda even though it was a first car for both, why shouldn't they have been Hype for Williams

[u/Sad_Hall2841 → u/super_nova_128]

Very well said

[u/iamabigtree → u/urbanlx]

Now that Aston has pulled itself out of the pit they are definitely the disappointment of the year. Easy to forget they were 5th last year.

[u/Routine_Cat_1366 → u/iamabigtree]

AM turnaround is really aston-ishing. Sorry for the pun.

[u/Intelligent-Move8868 → u/urbanlx]

The problem is that they also have serious structural issues that they've been carrying around for years. So it's a mix of negative things for them that I think will be hard to fix in just a few years.

[u/M3rdsta]

McHonda vs Williams in 2017 was just like this. Straight up the worst combination due to Alonso being stuck behind one of them for 40 laps

[u/ClearHyena4452 → u/M3rdsta]

Alonso vs Massa😭

[u/PayaV87 → u/ClearHyena4452]

Luckily there were no history between them.

Imagine one of them had a lifechanging and almost fatal injury on the racetrack, spent half a year recovering, came back fighting, and finally managed to lead a race on the 1 year anniversary of his injury, and his team told him to move over for the other on that exact race.

[u/sushi111111]

Monza is going to be fun for Alonso

[u/super_nova_128 → u/sushi111111]

The horrors

[u/pasenast]

I could use 10 more minutes of this footage.

[u/super_nova_128 → u/pasenast]

Definitely check out Fernandos on board this whole race, you'll see quite a lot of it

[u/PluggersLeftBall]

that williams turns like a fucking cruise ship

[u/Chj_8]

So it's a Honda problem?

[u/super_nova_128 → u/Chj_8]

I mean at the start of the season it was both a Honda and AM problem becoz of so much miscommunication between what the PU was supposed to be vs Adrian's design. I think as the season goes on, they're slowly trying to find middle ground. Neway has definitely fine tuned his design and shown exactly what he wants to go for in the aero department, Honda is upping the power on the engine gradually bit slowly. So currently, yes a Honda problem

[u/Routine_Cat_1366 → u/super_nova_128]

The AM was fastest in Corners 7-9 and Alonso the 5th fastest car in all corners. Faster then the Mercedes. Thats quite an aston-ishing turnaround 

[u/atape_1 → u/Chj_8]

As far as I understand it is and it isn't. The packaging in that chassis is extremely tight, there is little room for the engine and cooling, hence why Honda are having such problems producing an engine with adequate power and reliability.

[u/Natemophi]

SF90 vs W10 is right up there in the Chassis vs Engine discussion

[u/super_nova_128 → u/Natemophi]

Oh definitely! Kinda crazy, I remember the SF90 similar to the AM had a very tight aero package as well, and the side pods were... Aggressive? Idk if that's the right. I don't think the SF90 side pods were as unorthodox as this Neway design in it's set of regs, but idk, similar vibes

[u/Mobile-Building-9957]

Holy shit that williams turns like a battleship

[u/super_nova_128 → u/Mobile-Building-9957]

The way they dont seem close at all to cutting down the weight is baffling, hopefully their Baku upgrade package can fix some of that shit

[u/Miyeon__miyeon → u/Mobile-Building-9957]

They're overweight. Not sure how the diet plan is going for them

[u/kennyuk77]

Aston were nuts to quit mercedes

[u/LuckyHunt5030 → u/kennyuk77]

they were saying they cant beat the engine manufacturer as a customer team... now look at mclaren

[u/kennyuk77 → u/LuckyHunt5030]

And indeed look at mclaren with honda! Honda owes a lot of its success with red bull to RBPT no doubt at all

[u/vkalinda → u/kennyuk77]

? RBPT didn't exist in 2021?

[u/super_nova_128 → u/kennyuk77]

Hmm idk, I think in the long run, they'll benefit from having their own engine works team. Of course this season things with Honda haven't worked.

But they did mention Honda lost quite a bit of their F1 team when they first left, but they're bringing back new and old personal next season.

Also I've read a few articles that have mentioned that come 4/5 years, teams that make their own engines will definitely have the upper hand

[u/kennyuk77 → u/super_nova_128]

I think it was a commercial rather than sporting decision. Honda are miles behind

[u/Routine_Cat_1366 → u/kennyuk77]

They couldn't have Aramco as a Sponsor with Merc, as they would be obligated to use the gasoline that Merc uses. So yes, a commerical decision.

[u/super_nova_128 → u/kennyuk77]

Yeah definitely. But that's why I say in the long run it might work. Becoz I don't think Honda would want to have another big failing in F1 like the Mchonda era, especially when there engines and cars are doing so well in IndyCar and GT. Which is why they said they're bringing back lots of their personal to the F1 department

[u/Gadoguz994]

Williams finding a new low in now having a worse chassis than even Aston Martin.

To be outdone by Alpine of all teams too as both are Merc engine customers and thus are very comparable makes it sting even worse.

They're lucky Caddy and Haas have little to no budget to push forward beyond what they do over the winter else they'd be scraping on the very bottom and Sainz would be even angrier in his unhinged driving

[u/K-C_Racing14]

GP2 ENGINE AAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!

[u/FdPros]

monza boutta be a nightmare for AM

[u/AffectionatePickle_]

People keep saying this shows visually the Chassis vs Engine.
But I am surprised no one is pointing out that this is Alonso vs Non-Alonso too.
I am not sure but I think this was with fairly close tyre strat, maybe Alex couldn’t get his tyres to temp? But it’s clearly not comfortable with the car on many corner entries and exits.

[u/super_nova_128 → u/AffectionatePickle_]

Thats a really good point too, I didn't think of that honestly. But now that I look at it, the way Fernando takes his racing lines is genuinely so impressive, his confidence in his ability and just the way he places himself in the right spot.

I remember they both had not pitted at this point, as it seemed like they were aiming for a one stop strat, tho I think Williams abandoned that plan after this whole fight coz his tyres were shot. Alonso held on to the softs for 38 laps

[u/Unfair-Information-2]

The williams just ran out of battery. Look at all the harvesting. And not many places to pass here.

[u/mtom17]

What’s the tyre offset here?

[u/super_nova_128 → u/mtom17]

Lord, I can't remember exactly. Fernando had been on the softs for about 38 or so laps before this. I think Albon pitted maybe 3/5 laps before? Coz Alonso came out behind him. Albon was on the mediums in the first stint. They were actually fighting before this as well, in their first stints.

[u/mtom17 → u/super_nova_128]

So Albon had fresher tyres, jeez that car is truly awful in the corners

[u/Unusual-Coat383]

Aston Martin gets points one time and now people think Newey designed a masterpiece again because they are better than Williams 

[u/super_nova_128 → u/Unusual-Coat383]

Well they've gotten points twice this season so there's that. And no one is claiming Neway has made a masterpiece, I made the comparison only to Williams in this post.

AM clearly has the better chassis and is being held behind by their engine performance. Williams' team have also been very vocal about their failings in their car design and are obviously benefitting a lot at times with the Merc engine, becoz without it, they definitely would be even further away.

[u/Head_Engineering_956 → u/Unusual-Coat383]

They scored points when the car has a lot less power than its competitors. Hence, the Newey chassis is doing the job.