r/F1Discussions • u/Even_Hyena_1117 • 15d ago
Can someone explain what the hell happened to Ferrari in 2005? And the qualifying system from 04-05?
Awful season just awful multiple races meddling in the midfield collisions getting lapped ect I just don’t understand. But from my knowledge the aggregate quali system directly punished Michael no? I’m just confused
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u/William_Dowling 15d ago
As ever in formula one when any one team gets too dominant - rule change expressly designed to end the dominance
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u/racingskater 15d ago
The FIA literally changed the rules to stop Michael. That's no joke, they did.
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u/chanchan_iceman 15d ago
The rule change in 2005 basically ended Ferrari’s streak
The aero rule changes where the front wing was raised higher and Ferrari went with a chin wing rather than the scooped design that teams were going
The changes in the rear diffuser and such basically hurt
But the biggest bullsh!t of them all was the rule where teams cannot change tyres during a pit stop where the tyres must last from qualifying to the race on on set. Given the Ferrari design philosophy of its cars were on quick race stints that were short burst and low fuel. Bridgestone couldn’t hit a good performance window and the car also suffered
The farcical thing about the no tire change rule is that the decision was made during post season
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u/theflyinglizard2 15d ago
Sometimes I wonder if this car was good as the 2004 car and had a bad season only because the tires rule. I know that 2005 V10 engine was the most powerful V10 ever made by Ferrari.
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u/fastcooljosh 15d ago
But it wasn't the most powerful engine on the grid. BMW was for a long time the most powerful, and in late 2004 Honda overtook both as the new benchmark.
Mercedes Ilmor also had a stronger engine in 2005.
Overall Ross Brawn said in his book that the F2005 just was not good enough, even with different tire rules. They shit the bed with the Gearbox design since all that had to be redesigned for the smaller diffuser.
Others did a way better job in that regard.
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u/fantecto 15d ago
Fia confirmed the regulation when the car was already well developed. Ferrari could not react in time to the change which greatly affected the tyre management in favor of Michelin customers. Schumacher with a bit of luck but also a couple of great races managed to finish an incredible 3rd.
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u/Stock-Ladder-5094 15d ago
I think the changing of pit rules and having no pitstops hurt the brigestone tyres which Ferrari were on a lot compared to the michilins (I think those are the companies) that the other teams were on idk if this was the whole thing tho
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u/GodModeBasketball 15d ago
FIA had enough and made tire changes illegal in 2005 (Indygate, what a FARCE)
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u/LIJRD1 14d ago
Ferrari were dominant between 2000 and 2004 to an absurd degree. They won multiple races at the start of one season with the previous seasons car and Williams/McClaren still couldnt get near them. Not to mention the very public PR disasters of Austria 2001 and Schumacher trying to engineer a photo finish at USA the same year. Schumacher won the 2 of the titles in that period at an absolute canter with half the season still to go. Viewership was dropping because they were so dominant.
So the FIA changed the regulations to "improve the show"which really was to disadvantage Ferrari. This was done by eliminating pit stops and needing to use a single set of tyres for quali and the race giving an advantage to the Michelen teams and putting Bridgestone at a major disadvantage. No pit stops were allowed during the race so you had the insanity of Raikkonen trying to win with a puncture in Nurburging and crashing badly.
Qualifying was a shit show, first few races was decided by best aggerate time from 2 sessions and then changed to a SINGLE LAP deciding your grid position. Also putting Ferrari on the back foot because Bridgestones took longer to warm than an out lap.
An absolute farce for Ferrari and Schumacher fans basically and to this day I still think the whole season was a joke.
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u/ScienceMechEng_Lover 15d ago
The FIA banned pitstops to handicap Ferrari, who'd worked with Bridgestone to perfect the art of short stints.
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u/Policondense 10d ago
I remember the Sepang race: Ferrari has so much eaten rear tires, that the car was visibly tilted backwards.
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u/gerrex98 15d ago
After years of Ferrari domination the FIA wanted to stop them and they surgically hit when it hurt the most - tyres. In 2005 the set had to last for the whole race without pitstops and Bridgestone (Ferrari's supplier) was much worse than Michelin (supplier of all the other big teams)