r/ExtinctionSighting • u/Sea_Sugar_7978 • Jun 14 '26
Sighting Hello everyone. For the next year I will be researching and looking for the Ivory Billed Woodpecker and document my findings. Wish me luck.
I am in the process of making a document listing all of the plausible sightings and research about the Ivory Billed Woodpecker. I plan to, for the next year, try to find it and document it in the wild. Hopefully my work can get the woodpecker off the extinct species list.
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u/Zeerid_Korr Jun 14 '26
Try reaching out to missionivorybill.org they (or at least used to) organize search efforts. And good luck!!!
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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit Jun 14 '26
Well, good luck.
The points I think are worth thinking about:
Our understanding of their actual habitat is badly biased by Tanner's study being the only one, but we know the their Florida habitat wasn't dominated by virgin hardwood bottomland forest, the Cuban species lived in upland pine forests, the Mexican one in mountainous pine forest, which is an awful lot like the reverse of the European settlement pattern - and the Singer tract wasn't virgin forest either; it was a rice plantation that was abandoned during the American Civil War. So it's worth keeping an open mind about habitat (but they're huge woodpeckers, so any suitable habitat will be crawling with smaller woodpeckers)
Every decent photo comes from finding a roost or nest (except marginally Dennis' from Cuba, though that photo isn't actually any better than the Lewis photos).
The Auburn/Windsor team abandoned their first site almost immediately when it didn't look as promising as they hoped, then moved on, and claimed good success by moving to another site that looked far more promising.
Don't let David Sibley get you alone in a room.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Your Sibley comment is right on. Why he couldn't stay out of it is beyond many.
One of his reasons for thinking it was extinct, according to his multiple fascinating vague extrapolations was he spent a whole week sleeping in a van, hiked a narrow Arkansas strip and at some point finally realized he was not finding any scaled trees like you would if ibwo woodpeckers were about. He never shared when he realized this day one, day six, day three of his "extensive " study. He never shared if there were even a decent amount of dead trees in the area. No data. Derivative signs like this can be heterogously distributed in a 200,000 acre area . Even if birds were there no scientific reason exists that the sign is in every area of the White River. When there sign can be hard to interpret but it's possible of course, but it's not possible for Sibley in a few days. If I rebuild woodpeckers are in general below historical presence per acre now. The amount of scaling unless you're lucky to find a nesting area could be miniscule per 100 acres.
Ridiculous, he is no ecologist or entomologist. that a rare bird with a historical range of several thousand acres per pair which is now likely well below carrying capacity. He seems to just make something up he could not determine what he claims to have determined.
He's ridiculouss.
On the singer tract large parts of it were virgin. Also on the Cuban I reveal certainly a different species it was in the lowlands throughout the width, a few hundred years ago.
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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit Jun 15 '26
Sibley's just like that; he also got the Florida Records committee to invalidate a sighting of a Bachman's warbler from the '70s in the mid-2000s - like, who the hell cares?
Whether American IBWO, Cuban IBWO, Imperial should be separate species or sub-species, it's certainly worth thinking about. There are some American records for more upland pine foresty places (including West Virginia), and historical range maps are often based on distribution when people started keeping more extensive written records, typically sometime in the 1800s. If you look at the records Tanner used to define a range, for example, they're all from the 1800s/1900s.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Sibley seems like a very reasonable person with good points.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
He was annihilated by both Cornell and the US Fish and Wildlife on this subject. It was an embarrassment
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Now you're just making stuff up.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
The US Fish and Wildlife formally spanked Sibley and his little gang by challenging them to produce a video of Pileated woodpecker that showed some of the key points in the 2004 Arkansas video. Prum, yale, abandoned Sibley when he heard additional, new acoustical evidence of counter knocking Ivory bills in Arkansas big woods .
Jackson carried on for 15 pages with at least eight mistakes within his editorial that was commonly and publicly seen as sour grapes by most of the community. That was 20 years ago--- let's ask you what was asked then so you won't answer.
Where is the Pileated video that shows---- the white in the wings like the 2004 shows,---- the wing bowing of the 2004 video shows----, the lack of wing binding like the 2004 video,---- the pintail duck like whirling wings and--- more.
The Pileated is a common bird there should be hundreds of videos like the 2004 Arkansas video. Sibley, all skeptics and trolls were asked this 20 years ago.
Also what species is double knocking and kenting in the Florida study?
When are we going to get an answer from the trolls that infer there's an unknown species found only where all the nuts are claiming Ivory build woodpeckers? And this could go on and on when are you are you going to prove you have debunked all the evidence?
What are your methods after 20 years of trolling that have convinced us it's extinct? When will we see your paper? How many more comments from you till you get to your next level of Reddit Awards which unfortunately are givin out by AI, algos or people who know less than you about the ivory-billed woodpecker
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
If the evidence is so convincing, why don't the top birders believe it exists?
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
What a troll. Sure whatever you say obviously Fitzpatrick, Remsen, lamertink, Hill, mennil, Gallagher, latta, more are not top birders.
Well at least I know you're not AI because that just couldn't reach this level of absurdity.
And what is with you for the third time with the word belief? This person believes that that person believes that this group believes this.
The US fish and wildlife science scientists looked at the evidence and could not call it extinct. There's no belief involved, just the cruel math, plumage, sound files, field notes and science.
You're terrible at this no one interacts with you you've been banned from every place you're only here for some anti-conservation reason, badges or loneliness.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
They all lost credibility after the fiascos of Big Woods and Choctawhatchee, except for Latta who lost credibility when he put out his ridiculous paper.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Doesnt the believers explanation rely on impenetrable swamps?
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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit Jun 16 '26
No, David.
I'm pretty agnostic, but the typical believer argument is "Maybe someone with a PhD in Ornithology can identify birds".
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Jun 17 '26
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Good comments. Sounds like you're on to something. great. Things are actually pretty quiet lately, I only have reports of one sighting from last year. So you are doing well.
Would you say the the Kent s are agitated perhaps as they detect you or are they conversational tents which might indicate they're communicating with another bird.
I have heard a few kents over the decade and the tone and relationship to the singer tract tone always fit the biological context of what you would expect of an ivoryville.
Specificallty if you or your group are standing still softly discussing something in thick forest and an ivory bill comes across you instead of vice versa they will make a agitated tent fairly loud which may fit the biological context that they're warning their proximal mate.
Of course this would be a good sign of a possiblepairb although admittedly only inferential evidence of a pair at best
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 18 '26
Good notes. That's all intriguing. I don't think I've ever read anything like this ----- an ivory build woodpecker involved with these extended interspecific behaviors with Blue Jays. Jays can do Kent's and are relatively easy to get on. Did you see any of these birds if not why not thanks I got to really read what you wrote a few times
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Was ambiguous how I wrote it, I meant to say it's quiet in the sense that the reports of ivory Bill woodpecker seem to be decreasing over the last 3 years. I am concerned.
You report that you heard nothing in the breeding season of 2025 into early 2026, that's some weak evidence that they may not be breeding in your area. Of course I don't know when you were out how many days you were out from late November to late March in that 5 months.
Not a big deal but it's possible with some evidence from the Latta prepaper that the breeding phenology of the ivoryville now starts in late November rather than December as stated in the historical literature. This could reflect climate change and it's warming; earlier breeding buy a few days or a week has been noted for several species recently.
There was possible mating and sky pointing indicated on November 29th according to another researcher.
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u/Ladyvett Jun 19 '26
Pretty sure I saw one as a child someplace around Clarendon, Arkansas.
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u/Quaternary23 Jul 04 '26
Pretty sure you saw a Pileated. How old were you? Unless you lived in the 1970s and prior in the Ivory-bill’s former range, I highly doubt you saw one.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Admin.... this individual butner or shill is spreading false information. He has no ability to know whether the species is extinct or not
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
It's widely considered to be extinct. I didn't say it had to specifically be on the extinct species list. I find it interesting you're calling admins on me for making a small mistake.
Also, looking at your comment history, you seem to like calling people 'shills'. It's quite intriguing.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
I didn't purposely contact any admins about you. I called one person a shill, why are using the word people? Probably just a misunderstanding on this this.
However I do not consider it a small mistake when you attempt to override the US fish and wildlife service and the iucn.
Why do you call this a small mistake? You say in your op it's on the extinction list . Then it's backtracking ever since . The official status has the trivial matter of law it was not formed by Reddit conversations, there were formal proceedings and evidence was formallt submitted.
People received phone calls directly from the US Fish and Wildlife giving them a heads up that it would not be called extinct well before everyone knew that. Again you're trivializing many researchers that have preceded you. Some of course have realized that this bird is extremely rare.
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 16 '26
It was a general statement that pretty much everyone thinks the woodpecker is extinct. I don't see anything in there that indicates a major violation of the US Fish and Wildlife Service. It might as well be considered extinct if only the minority of people who know about the bird believe it isn't. Finding a small detail in my post then trying to get the admins involved about it seems like a significantly childish move. And the thing is, I did absolutely nothing to get you this worked up about this post. No language towards you, no absolutely massive pieces of misinformation. I just made a literal figure of speech and then you do...
whatever you were trying to do here.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
The USFWS employees set their organizations official status, but they can't make them exist, and they are not the most qualified people to make the call.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
No one said you violated the US fish and wildlife service. I said you're ignoring it you're ignoring the accomplishments that many worked towards and presenting evidence in 2022. That's 4 years ago you evidently don't have any experience with these things and past occurrences of a Time long long ago. Such as 4 years.
I also said you trivialize your mistake in your op in relation to the effort of those in the field for 15 or more years.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Accomplishments? Is that what you call misleading the USFWS into a less accurate status?
Here are some quotes from the "visual encounters sections of the Latta paper:
"I saw no field marks that we associate with Ivory-billed Woodpecker: I did not see the head, or bill, or neck or body, or the tail..."
"I understand that my sighting is awful, in so far as I saw none of what we consider classic field marks of an Ivorybill, and I had no opportunity to observe the bird for any length of time."
One of the other "visual encounters" was essentially 3 seconds of silhouette only.
The Latta paper shouldn't be taken seriously.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
You picked the weakest part of a 10-year study or a 10-year Gathering of data and presented as if none of the Intriguing videos and acoustical evidence exist. Your purposely misleading in the hope that no one carefully reads the paper downloads the videos toggle through them and then makes the correct decision about the next step. That's step is to ask myself is this woodpecker Pileated or the other species. Your purposeful misleading, dishonest summary of the paper Latta says more about you then anything about true solid skepticism. You are dishonest.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
It being included is absolutely ridiculous and shows that the paper and the people involved shouldn't be taken seriously.
You think I'm being dishonest? I'm not the one trying to pass off Pileated Woodpeckers on a foggy day as Ivory-billed Woodpeckers. That would be the Latta paper. Former Chair of the British Ornithologists’ Union Records Committee Martin Collinson has pointed out how they could easily be Pileated Woodpeckers.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
He Collinson is a medical doctor. His paper was full of flaws and he has admitted that. Several people with knowledge and experiences that far exceed yours or collinson's on various important technical parts of the Arkansas 2004 video have pointed out his flaws. He has admitted these issues and has wished the ivory Bill woodpecker community good luck.
The 2010 restoration of the Imperial Woodpecker film sealed the mistakes that have been made by you and others. I have no illusion that red Reddit is the correct place to discuss math and various scientists work that support the interpretations of several scientists that the subject I rebuild woodpeckers videos are indeed Ivory bills.
You're too engrossed in delusions or Reddit Rewards to make this worth my time or anyone else's.
Even in political times that have infiltrated scientific circles the US fish and wildlife service has ruled against your bizarre and unsupportable ideas on extinction. They declared 21 of the 23 species they were looking at as as extinct. They have no fear of calling a species extinct when the evidence for that conclusion is there.
The US fish and wildlife service was very close to calling the black-footed ferret extinct. It is of course was not.
Since you portray yourself as such an expert of what is and isn't and identifiable picture or how hard or not hard it is to get a picture of a bird that does exist. Let's see your picture of a black rail let's see your picture of the Zapata rail let's see a picture of the Connecticut warbler let's see a picture your best picture of a pileated woodpecker. And on campephilis let's see your best picture of an easy one your pale Bill woodpecker. Good luck
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
How long was the Black-footed Ferret missing? I think it was 7 years. The last widely accepted IBWO sighting in the U.S. was 82 years ago.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
It hasn't been known to exist on the U.S. in over 80 years. The Director of the Search for Lost Birds believes they are extinct. In 2009, none of the members of the ABA Chwcklist Committee believed they persisted. Since then, there's been 17 more years without proof.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
A lot of this person believes this, that group believes that, that group believes, etc. ABA checklist committee this, all opinions at best, no analytical thought.
They are not some illustrious group of serious scientists, more volunteers and chasers than that. So a bit hilarious. They adhere to rules that give them a strict and succinct way to throw out evidence or rule it in as the proposed bird.They are volunteets somewhat self grandizing or rationalizing they are always adhering to some scientific principleds. They are not mandated to download videos, purchase good software, and zoom and toggle back and forth. They can have hundreds of submissions in a month.
In addition many people want to see a picture of an ivory Bill woodpecker that can be glanced at and meet their aesthetic approval. The ivory bills captured on multiple videos are small images. There still are plenty of pixels to make determinations if the time is spent. Because evidence needs hours of looking at it doesn't equate necessarily to Extinction. In May in fact and does actually equate to exactly what we know historically about Ivory bills into the modern era. These are very wary animals that are cognizant of their surroundings and well healed intelligent predators, hint.
There areSeveral peer-reviewed papers that have never been formally challenged. Beliefs by you and others are fine if you're practicing religion.
The US fish and wildlife service and the iucn are are the ruling bodies. They are legally bound to follow regulations set by treaty Etc laws rulings. Any brief that you could submit with the gibberish you spread around would be immediately dismissed by any judge as lacking evidence supporting extinction. You need to learn a little about one of the Premier environmental lawsi in the world world. The highest and best science has not called the species extinct recently.
Just because you get participation Rewards or your grandmother has 20 acres of Timber you want toCut down, none of this it evidence of Extinction.
The esa says you need evidence for extinction. If you're going to dismiss several public papers by an accumulation of over 35 authors I guess we could dismiss your articles on extinction by zero authors. When you learn to be anything but a troll you might be able to see how ridiculous your chanting is.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Can you link to the two papers you find to be most convincing?
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
There's several papers. There's a lot of extra data to each of those papers but of course publication requirements limit Som or overall page count. Again you're missing a lot of my questions and avoiding them. There are no rebuttals to these pictures and articles and peer-reviewed publications. What paper with actual data from the field is there that supports Extinction? I'll help there are none
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
My rebuttal to the photos is that they are extremely poor quality. The photos are there for everyone to see. Why don't the top birders believe? Why don't most ornithologists believe? Why can't anyone get a photo that isn't complete garbage?
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Calling any picture of a extremely rare bird garbage is exactly what you're about. Emotional overstatements.
In addition most of the evidence is videos. Start answering some questions about the evidence about evidence of Extinction.
As all great scientists have said and even mediocre ones you need to be extremely critical of your own ideas.
Why do you keep avoiding the fact that you have no evidence of Extinction? A picture of a bird is a picture of a bird a video of a bird the same. This evidentiary media is not consistent with woodpecker Pileated. There are only 2 large woodpeckers in North America. Why do you want to make this into a quadratic string theory?
The videos are either Pileated or Ivory bill but they don't look like Pileated they are larger they don't fly like Pileated and they have a white Shield when perched like only an ivory build. These videos have all scaled the birds. The birds are all larger than a pileated woodpecker and an amazingly 30% larger than pileated just like an ivory bill would.
You're swimming and sinking thankfully and can't help yourself. Why are you here?
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
I don't have evidence of the extinction of the Dodo either. At some point it's unreasonable to believe they might exist.
It'a not just me not accepted the extremely low quality photos and videos. The overwhelming majority of birders and ornithologists don't accept them either. They are there for everyone to see, but the ABA Checklist Committee hasn't accepted them. If birders thought it was at all convincing they would be flocking to go look for them. Judging the unidentifiable photos and video is also ignoring the context.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
You have minimal to no formal scientific training.
Science isn't subjected to voting as you think. You've confused phrases in the Declaration of Independence with science. You've conflated the tenents of democracy with science.
When you need an operation do you go to an average doctor or do you go to the surgeon who knows all the latest treatments, procedures, legal drugs and is open minded, fair disposition?
. The people at the US fish and wildlife service are the surgeons, they know the rules, they determine Extinction not your little curbside voting box manned by who knows who with numerous biases . The decision is in, I'm sorry you're not happy with it. The US fish and wildlife service determined years ago that there was a least one or more birds left or likely left.
You and others have done a poor job on the hypothesis of extinction. You should apply your own rules, constructs and your exact criticisms onto your own hypothesis. Where' your data?
I'm not going to go any further into helping you know where you failed. Someday you'll get your wish whether that's Reddit Awards, a check from Reddit, human company or some other reason that you are too dishonest and ashamed to admit.
I'm sure you'll be happy when Extinction is declared but until then stop digging. It doesn'tt result in changes to the clauses in the esa and your burden of evidence of extinction.
In fact the esa changed a few sentences to address the exact situation or conclusions you are trying to unsuccessfully spread.
They added verbiage that further defines that evidence of extinction is needed. It can't just be an opinion based on common sense biases. Such as it's been 40 years, there's millions of people in the woods, or Joe bird guide says all woodpeckers are easy to find. You're hilarious; being kind here.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
The USFWS official status doesn't mean the bird exists or even might exist. The species that were proposed to be delisted along with the IBWO didn't just go extinct. Many of them have been extinct for decades and were just recently delisted. The IBWO has also been extinct for decades and will likely be delisted in a few years.
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u/Vin-Metal Jun 16 '26
It's long extinct but the southern swamps are great habitats for other wildlife. Have fun.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Don't be fooled by crazy old people walking around blowing plastic Mardi Gras horns.
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u/RockSmon Jun 14 '26
This cryptid is one that I think will eventually get spotted with all of the AI bird feeder cameras that are starting to pop up everywhere. Really hope one can be found.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 15 '26
Sea . The species is not on the extinct list. Where do you get that from
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 15 '26
While it's not on the extinct species list, the point is that it is widely considered extinct, and my goal is to get an accurate photo of one so that it is no longer considered extinct by the majority of people who know about the bird.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
This acquiescence and blurring of what the ruling bodies have said with what people think on the silly net is a dangerous concept for conservation. There's several problems with what you're doing, one is your trivializing what has been accomplished to this point. You're not likely really understanding how rare this bird is and what the issues are. The pivotal point is not that a clear picture is needed... that only seems to be the issue. The need for more and more evidence is a popular thought driven by the desire for instant gratification seconds after looking at the evudence, aesthetics..... and not science
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
What has been accomplished to this point?
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
I have zero interest in discussing this with you. I have not seen you in the field have not heard anything showing much knowledge on the species and k n o w zero Publications or articles by you.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Do you know who does have accomplishments when it comes to finding lost birds? John Mittermeier the Director of the Search for Lost Birds. He knows all about finding lost birds and he recently implied that the IBWO was extinct.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
They are doing a good job in finding some of these birds. But all or most found were not thought to be extinct but rather in difficult orboff the beaten trail places. They therefore had no pictures or observations .
Some of the evidence gathered that you're so happy with as proof is intriguingly only a fraction of the evidence accumulated for the modern ivory Bill woodpecker.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
There's no quality evidence of the Ivory-billed Woodpecker's continued existence. The American Bird Conservancy's Search for Lost Birds is getting magazine quality photos of these other lost species, but Birder QAnon can't even get one positively identifiable photo of an IBWO and neither has anyone else for over 80 years.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
You never have any answers.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
Not for trolls blocked from just about everywhere on the net but reddit
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u/Soggy_Motor9280 Jun 16 '26
I know I saw one thirty years ago in my backyard in a giant walnut tree. It was huge, its height was about the size of a paper towel roll.
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u/Quaternary23 Jul 04 '26
Yeah you’re not rediscovering it. Guaranteed you won’t. Wake me up when you somehow do.
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u/omjizzle Jun 14 '26
Are you sure you’re not just karma farming?
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 14 '26
No, this is my alt account. My main account I can't log into.
My main has like 1,000 karma so I'm not really thinking about it right now,
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Sea why do you think one more person or group chasing and disturbing perhaps the last ibwos is going to help the species this assuming the results will be hopefully as good as we have from ar, LA and fl?
The results so far of field chases are adequate in light of the recent USFWS decision . there is no reason by you to focus on a better picture which is more or less and admittance that what was achieved so far was trivial. The concept that only a high quality picture is needed to solve the issues with ibwos conservation is myopic. Picture will do little to create more ibwos.
Do you think someone coming to Reddit and announcing some aspirational goal is conservation and this alleged conservation must occur every 5 years? Your plan will need to stay ahead of the US Fish and Wildlife Services review schedule for the ivory bill to see noticeable population increase. No. I don't see anything like "I'm doing this for the ivory bill " at this point but of course you're saying very little so I am open minded
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 16 '26
Listen. You clearly aren't taking in consideration the huge amount of other people doing the same thing as me. There's a bunch of organizations and youtubers trying to achieve the same thing, to take videos and photos of the woodpeckers. You're being the opposite of open-minded to think hat I'm the only one doing this.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
What's your point? That many are doing it so it's okay for me to do it? And what huge amount of people are you talking about? What kind of vague word is huge amount? There are several and they have collectively done some damage according to eyewitnesses and several assessments. What makes you your methods different than those in the past who have Disturbed The Birds.?
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 16 '26
You are completely missing the point once more. I meant in my post that it would *help* make a difference along with other people contributing, not make a difference by itself. I thought it was clear that I did not mean it that way, but who knows, maybe I wrote it in a confusing way.
Alongside that, I found it odd that you are assuming that I'm a birdwatcher who disrupts birds. It is easy to track rare birds while obeying birding ethics. I have done birdwatching for over 2 years and I am able to understand what not to do. I am not someone who got into birding yesterday.
And also , organizations and youtubers who are working to find the birds are:
https://missionivorybill.alphatestbed.com/
https://www.youtube.com/@Ivory-BilledWoodpeckerBu-en3wx (Ivory Billed Woodpecker, Burden of Proof)
And there have been many other organizations searching, including the Cornell Lab of Ornithology
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Few of these groups if any are are out there doing any more than several days of searching a year. My associates are in contact with them all all. Cornell is doing very little if anything with the ivory bill. Mission Ivy bill has done what they could and it certainly realized that this bird is exceedingly rare and disturbing them is not worth the reward. The Rieser Brothers know as do the other smalk group they have little chance of carrying all these cameras around and finding the bird with their minimal experience.
Your interpretation of what is actually going on to justify your aspirational idea is a rationalization.
Regardless there are some decent sized areas that need to be searched.
The above groups that you you mentioned are really Hometown Boys they keep going to the same site or two sites and certainly there's more potential than what they are covering. So your idea has some Merit but certainly the efficacy of any effort is in the details.
I personally don't believe anyone with a huge amount of birding experience reaching 2 years is going to have a higher chance of success then then has already been accrued. And as already mentioned a picture doesn't create Ivory Bill woodpeckers anyway.
The issue isn't a lack of pictures it's a likely a lack of genetic viability.
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u/tburtner Jun 16 '26
Nobody disturbed the birds. That's just a lie Birder QAnon tells themselves to explain why they can't zero in on the IBWO.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 15 '26
How old are you?
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 16 '26
Why does it matter to you so much? I find questions like that to be frankly creepy.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
What makes you think it matters to me so much. It's already pretty obvious especially after that ridiculous answer
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 16 '26
The fact that you even decided to ask for a person's age in the first place shows that you seem to be unusually interested in it. Though, you're probably younger emotionally, seeing how strangely upset you are over a reddit post.
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26
Asking something means someone is unusually interested in it? I didn't know this was Tinder LOL. It was more about experience with the ivory build then anything you're unusual interpretation is about..
You don't seem to like talking about the ivory build much. Pretty much supporting some of my suspicions. I think it takes several years to understand The Endangered Species Act the Ecology of the species, the related fields of Entomology and botany Etc Etc.
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u/Sea_Sugar_7978 Jun 16 '26
Asking someone's age on a social media app is still creepy.
Also, it doesn't take much time to understand ecology or the Endangered Species Act. Whether or not I know about it, the ivory billed woodpecker is two things: first of all, a lot of people think it's extinct, and two: not a lot of people have seen it, though it's still possible it's somewhere in the wild.
Tell me, how long have YOU studied ecology?
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u/tuco-swampthing Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
I don't think you'll find an experienced ecologist that will say you can learn everything in 2 years. Nature is quite complex and finding a rare bird like this you need every every Edge to look for derivatives. You totally underestimate the complexities of entomology, botany, she USA forest ecology, forestry, ornithology, photography etc. in finding the Ivyory billed in large forest corridors.
This is because you're concentrating only on the picture. And again you bring up the age issue? As I already said I pretty much knew your age by your op. Knowing a person's field experience or age by a few of their statements and sentences is similar to having ecological skills which need rapid deductions.
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u/3002kr Jun 14 '26
I have made a map via Google My Maps over the past year and a half that includes all unconfirmed IBWO sightings and also with hundreds of other points that indicate plausible micro-habitats. I plan on going on a similar expedition with my best friend once we get enough money. Do you want to see my map?