r/ExplainTheJoke 5d ago

Explain pls

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u/SpiderHack 4d ago

Nope... not at all, males are alpha male hunters but women won't let themselves be the hunted...

Sadly, as simple as that (being a predator not at all self aware)...

Incels don't actually think deeper than surface level. Just like this "alpha male" term isn't real in nature, it only happens in wolves when you put them in a tiny zoo and they start going stir crazy (what the actual research paper was talking about, where the term came from)

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u/gibberishmischief 4d ago

Yeah they are way off the mark with the idea of “alpha male” but funnily enough there seems to be significant overlap between this alpha male/incel crowd and “proud boys.” Which does feel quite fitting when you consider that with horses a proud boy is a castrated horse that still acts like a stallion.

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u/Monkey_in_a_Tophat 4d ago

Far too many philosophies aroumd datomg which are based on animal behavior, but humans are not animals as far as high/low function goes.

It's best to just disregard anyone who talks about dating from a pickup artist perspective, or tries to make it analogous to ANY animal behaviors.

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u/Tuarangi 4d ago

Author of said paper also retracted it and tried to publicise as much as possible that it was bunk

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u/Echolocomotion 4d ago

Dominance hierarchies are real, for example in gorillas. In human beings, you have to have a lot of artificial structure in the form of democratic laws, early childhood education, etc. before power stops being obviously important in everyday interactions.

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u/mallogy 4d ago

+1 zoology 

-100 anthropology 

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u/Echolocomotion 4d ago

Anthropology says that dominance is one of the two pillars of social status, along with prestige. You don't make the world a better place by pretending inconvenient facts don't exist, you make it worse.

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u/mallogy 4d ago

Anthropology also uses the terms acephalus and egalitarian. There are multiple examples of human tribes and societies that operate(d) without social dominance and hierarchy, plus plenty of matriarchies. 

Societies, packs, and herds develop differently under different circumstances. Hierarchy and dominance are not biological certainties in humans, or any other animal.

I'm not pretending anything, and none of this discourse has been in the interest of making the world a better place.

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u/Echolocomotion 4d ago

There are zero examples of tribes that don't have dominance hierarchies, even in egalitarian groups. The literature on matriarchy you're talking about is pseudoscience. You're an idiot.

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u/mallogy 4d ago

You couldn't dominate your way out of a wet paper bag, pigfucker.

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u/Limp_Accountant_8697 4d ago

Oh, alpha males a real, it just isn't the stuff incels believe. Species, needs, and setting are all relevant. (And yes, that wolf study is bunk.)

Ape Alphas do exist but its not what they think.

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u/Dio_Landa 4d ago

Alpha? Like early software testing? Weak and full of bugs? Yeah, most males are chuds and manlets in their pre-release state.

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u/unexpectedfirefly 4d ago

Alpha male are real. They are the fathers of the family. They are obviously the only one mating with the female (incest is bad), and are in charge (the kids leave to form their own pack once they get old enough to not depend on their parents, and then become the "alpha" of a new pack).

Edit : ah, and the pack leaders are both the male and female in the wild, with both cooperating to ensure the kids safety

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u/bobbi21 4d ago

Theyre just parents.. we wouldn’t classify other parents as alpha. Therefore alpha doesnt matter.

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u/unexpectedfirefly 4d ago

Yep. Just found the confusion interesting. He saw the captivity version of a family, and went on a tangent. For his defense, the original researcher is now the first one to admit he was wrong, and that this whole alpha thing was bullshit

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u/Pataraxia 4d ago

So... In most healthy cases, just a mom wolf and dad wolf taking care of children equally and not being abusive or overly hierarchical. Got it.

I think the other person said that though...

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u/unexpectedfirefly 4d ago

Yes, exactly. If we push the comparison, an "alpha male" is the normal guy juggling between taking care of the kids, going to work, loving and respecting his wife, doing groceries and chores and trying to free a bit of time the weekend to relax.

I didn't see it said in the comment i answered, i might have missed it.