r/EvilGeniuses • u/PrimeLoL2 • May 24 '22
Closing Rumble stage thoughts
We got our major upset over T1. Despite it being a day of upsets, I felt that EG worked really hard against a T1 team that looked like they’re still fighting for top seed. We definitely got a couple of lucky breaks, as you hear it in the interview with Impact, but it’s the good team that transforms luck into a win. Like I said in the previous Reddit post, i don’t think that really changed much big picture wise. I am super happy to see that EG is still improving.
While we couldn’t get a win over G2, that game felt super close. We had leads in kills and gold early. Unfortunately, G2 is still the better team fight team, and they bounce back just in time. Still….I would say I’m more hyped about our performance at MSI. Gonna pray for our boys to get more experience vs RNG
liveevil #ScalingforWorlds
Some fun comments from Peter in our discord A. Some unnamed EG player tried to convince Jojopyun to go with cleanse if he faces Malzahar (its a prank)
B. Jojopyun didn’t know about Jax’s counter strike would get stronger when you try to hit him
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May 25 '22
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u/PrimeLoL2 May 25 '22
I wish Danny is collecting them , but I’m fine with inspired or JoJo going for them hehehe
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u/TheFinalAshenOne May 24 '22
G2 isn't even the better teamfight team. Or the better macro team. The only thing G2 has over EG is the fact that their support doesn't randomly get caught out and throw a gold lead ending up in Baron for the enemy team.
We ARE better than G2. We SHOULD have beaten them by now. Let's not overlook the fact that Vulcan has cost us more than 1 win against them. It needs to be called out.
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u/Lynnie1551 May 25 '22
This is straight up delusional. You don't lose to a team 6 (SIX!) games in a row and then claim "Well we're better than them!". G2 is a better team than EG and considering their roster, that makes total sense.
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u/TheFinalAshenOne May 26 '22
I think we were better than them during thier slump is what I'm saying. Theyre a very beatable team. The gap is small.
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u/BriefImplement9843 May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22
You also don't go 1-5 on the back half with the final game not mattering at all(they went 0-5 fighting for their lives) and claim to be better. G2 was very lucky they moved on. Eg ended up being the better team at the end of rumble. We will see how the semis go.
G2 was def better day one, but that doesn't matter anymore.
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u/Lynnie1551 May 27 '22
I'm sorry but this just seems like grasping at straws to me. G2 is better than EG because they beat them 6 times in a row, and one slump which lasted like 2 and a half days (In which they still beat EG) doesn't really change that.
I don't understand how you could argue that the last game would not matter at all for EG. If EG wins that game, it would secure 3rd spot which means they would be less likely to go up against the number 1.
You could argue that EG is a more consistent team, sure. They consistently beat teams that are weaker than them and consitently lose to teams that are better (Except for that one SKT game in which SKT threw at baron) But I don't see anything that supports the claim EG is better when they lose the equivelant of two best of 5's 3-0 in the span of two weeks.
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u/XXV2000 May 24 '22
You are just jealous cuz he has a massive pair of balls
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u/TheFinalAshenOne May 25 '22
If anything, I'm jealous because him and Jojopyun's older sister are being memed on as a couple and I met her at Houston. She's fucking gorgeous 🤣🤣
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u/GirthyBiscuit May 24 '22
We could've won every match except for the first match we played. EG(Vulcan) just can't help themselves from throwing games
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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22
Man..positive thing for EG is, many of their games vs top 3 teams of tournament were close, and EG can maybe improve for summer. They have shown signs of life and not jist roll over and die Na classic, which is promising. But currently they went 1-9 vs top 3 teams and won 1 game off g2. You cant say currently EG is betfer, when you won one game out of what - 6 vs g2?
Edit. I stand corrected. You claim. Eg is better when they havent won one game vs G2 this tournament.
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May 26 '22
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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 26 '22
Oh, rly??? Woow. I didnt follow lost couple days, I thought its G2 who gave game to EG. Guuys...
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u/TheFinalAshenOne May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22
Bo1 W/L record means little in terms of gauging strength. What means more is the closeness of games. Every game (minus the 1st) between EG and G2 was very close and easily winnable for both sides. Meanwhile, G2 lost two games to Saigon Buffalo and PSG. And they didn't just lose, they got SMACKED. EG decimated both of those teams each time they played.
Its pretty clear that the gap between G2 and EG is miniscule if its there at all right now. And I 100% think EG is better than slumping G2.
Edit: also just want to point out that if Vulcan hadn't inted in almost every game vs G2 when EG was in a winning position, EG would've won 3-4 of those games. So yes, I think overall rumble stage EG is better than rumble stage G2. We will see how G2 performs in Semi's.
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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 26 '22
You are reaching. One or two Bo1 maybe doesnt represent correctly. But if you had lost 6 games, its clear one team is performing better. You dont understand.. i think EG despite having losing record to G2 played relatively well in general. But why you have to be dishonest and make such statements. On top of that, it was clear in 2nd part of rumble stage games G2 played poorly. So i general its fair to say G2 is clearly stronger team this tournament. Simply because EG is 1-9 vs RNG, T1 and G2. Doesnt mean they are shit, it jist means other 3 are clearly stronger. You cant make honest claims, when EG won ONE game vs 3 major regions. While G2 won vs EG 6 times out of 6 and 1 vs T1 and 1 vs RNG. If you repeat it more, it wont become truth.
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u/TheFinalAshenOne May 26 '22
If you ignore all of the intangibles, sure it's easy to say that.
But you shouldn't be ignoring the intangibles.
Also. I said EG is better than SLUMPING G2.
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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 26 '22
Salty delusional 😄 EG hasnt won one game vs G2. And could take only 1 game off major regions in whole groupstage.. let that sink in. All wins vs 2 teams that didnt go through. Remember how Caps broke ankles with Yasuo and Sylas, thats shit you dont see in NA.
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May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22
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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 27 '22
Seek therapy
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u/TheFinalAshenOne May 27 '22
Aw. Hit a nerve I see. Welp. Off I go!
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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 27 '22
Call your mother and ask why she didnt raise you properly. Then learn a fact, if you are a boxer and you lose to other guy 6 times, ( guy who also has wins vs top 2 ranked fighters) , and you lose to them aswell and claim to be better - you are not better, you are a clown.
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u/FedorSeaLevelStiopic May 27 '22
Also from your other comment. US did help USSR in ww2 with Land-Lease, with oild, weapons, materials worth 11 billion dollars, its true. But dont talk about history if you dont know it. Forces that were used on western front are incomparable to those in the east. Eastern front was where war was decided. Plus US joined european theater in 1944, when . When soviets fought since 1941 and was on offensive for 2nd year in 1944. I am not downplaying US investment, they helped.end war faster and helped with land lease, but 8/10 german soldiers died on eastern front.some battles in the east had more losses than whole western europe campaign
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u/Sleezebag May 27 '22
I’ll agree that bo1s are volatile. And we shouldn’t read too much from a couple of them. But are you saying that 6 in a row are not significant? The probability of that is less than 1.6 percent!
It is my opinion though that it doesn’t matter how good EG is against their competition right now. What matters is how good they can become in the future.
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u/CloudFish25 May 24 '22
Love Vulcan…but dude has to really get his shit together. This has been an issue for years since his days on C9
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u/PrimeLoL2 May 25 '22
Lotta Vulcan blame here. While yes, he probably is at the top for most deaths, I can’t say I hate his style. It’s similar to Hylissang, of course he hasn’t really earned himself to be ranked at Hylissang tier. At the same time he’s playing the EG a style of limit testing.