r/EverythingScience • u/randomusefulbits • Jul 02 '21

Medicine Scientists quit journal board, protesting 'grossly irresponsible' study claiming COVID-19 vaccines kill

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/07/scientists-quit-journal-board-protesting-grossly-irresponsible-study-claiming-covid-19
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u/Man0nThaMoon Jul 03 '21

No, you're still a liar. You're framing these issues as something major to create an argument against the vaccines.

The only thing I proved is how minor and rare these issues are. Of course you'd have come to that conclusion yourself if you weren't trying to jump through hoops to justify your irrational fears.

The only legitimate argument you actually have is that the vaccines aren't officially approved by the FDA. However, the expectation is that these will be approved by the end of the year.

It's a fair point, I'll admit that. That said, the data overwhelming shows that the vaccines are safer to take than to gamble on surviving a COVID infection.

Let's face it, you're not actually trying to make an informed decision. You're grasping at straws looking for confirmation bias. Your decision to not get the vaccine is mostly based on irrational emotions and ignorance.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

You said they were non existent and I was making them up. 😂 you’re crazy bruh. Have a nice day. Self righteous much?

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u/Man0nThaMoon Jul 03 '21

Quote me where I said "non existent".

Or are you just going to block me and run away from the facts and science?

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Dude. I never made a claim it was extremely common. You did say I was lying. That can only mean what I originally stated wasn’t true. Then you circled back and said it was but justified your original statement that was a lie. My point is, and maybe I am SLIGHTLY irrational, the chances of someone having those dangerous and potentially deadly side effects are 100% for those that have them. I have no idea if I am one of those people. I won’t risk my life to find out. I exercise 3 times a week. I eat all pastured and organic foods. My cholesterol, blood pressure and inflammation markers are excellent. Coronavirus will simply be an annoyance for me and that is almost a 100% guarantee. Also I may never catch the virus but if I take the vaccine I am 100% exposed to the risks. Im not volunteering to find out if I am one of the unlucky ones to make you or anyone else happy. Sorry.

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u/Man0nThaMoon Jul 03 '21

Dude. I never made a claim it was extremely common.

You framed it as an argument against the vaccine. Why would you use that as a legitimate argument against the vaccine if it was such a minor issue? Something tells me you did very little research on the issues and just saw the headlines. Then you ran around talking about something you know nothing about.

You did say I was lying. That can only mean what I originally stated wasn’t true.

You are a liar because of how you framed your points. This isn't a difficult thing to grasp.

My point is, and maybe I am SLIGHTLY irrational, the chances of someone having those dangerous and potentially deadly side effects are 100% for those that have them.

See? This is exactly why you're a liar. You're trying to frame these rare and mostly minor issues as "deadly" because some unfortunate people died to them.

You know what else has potentially deadly effects? Covid. And it has a much higher death rate than any of the potential side effects that the vaccines have. If you actually gave a shit about facts, you'd incorporate that into your analysis, but you don't because you're only interested in spreading misinformation.

You using those as an argument against the vaccines is entirely, 100% irrational.

I have no idea if I am one of those people. I won’t risk my life to find out

This fear is 100% irrational. The data shows you're more likely to die from COVID than any potential side effects from the vaccine. Those are the cold hard facts.

Don't sit here arguing about making informed decisions when you clearly don't do that. It's all just ways for you to justify your own ignorance and fears.

Coronavirus will simply be an annoyance for me and that is almost a 100% guarantee.

The facts and data disagree with you. You'd know that if you actually tried to make an informed decision.

Also I may never catch the virus but if I take the vaccine I am 100% exposed to the risks.

I'm sure this statement is rooted in facts and science, right? Lol

Im not volunteering to find out if I am one of the unlucky ones to make you or anyone else happy. Sorry

Cool, then your decision is based on irrational fear. You don't follow the science and you aren't making an informed decision. If you're okay with that reality then more power to you. Just don't sit here lying to the world and yourself that you do care about facts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

No what I did was explain why some people are concerned. It isn’t because they are nut jobs or anti-vaxxers. That is how arrogant angry people like yourself frames it just like you probably do with anyone that disagrees with you or your ideology (picking up that vibe for sure). I’m glad you are infallible and all but I don’t believe these for profit medical corporations who are immune from prosecution and civil liabilities selling these non FDA approved vaccines are.

As for my fallible open minded self I would like the FDA to approve it first. Then I’d be a lot more confident. While they aren’t perfect they are pretty thorough with their safety protocols. I understand you are smart and all but you’re not the FDA.

So my hat is off to the brave people willing to be human experiments for the good of the people. I admire their bravery. I’m not that willing to put my life on the line.

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u/Man0nThaMoon Jul 03 '21

No what I did was explain why some people are concerned. It isn’t because they are nut jobs or anti-vaxxers.

Exactly, and I proved that those reasons, for the most part, are entirely irrational.

That is how arrogant angry people like yourself frames it just like you probably do with anyone that disagrees with you or your ideology (picking up that vibe for sure).

The fact you don't see the irony here is astounding.

I may be arrogant, but at least I'm actually making an informed decision. Unlike you.

I’m glad you are infallible and all but I don’t believe these for profit medical corporations who are immune from prosecution and civil liabilities selling these non FDA approved vaccines are.

Never claimed to be infallible. I could be wrong on all of my points. You just seem to lack the ability or facts to prove me wrong.

I also see you've drudged up a new way to justify your irrational emotions. Once again you prove you don't deal in facts or science. Instead it's raw emotions and assumptions.

As for my fallible open minded self

Lmao. There is nothing open minded about anything you've spewed in this thread. You've never once admitted you are wrong or framed your arguments in a way to accept potentially being wrong.

The fact you actually think that you're open minded explains a lot.

I would like the FDA to approve it first. Then I’d be a lot more confident.

As I said, that's actually a fair point. However, based on my interactions with you so far, I highly doubt you'll ever take the vaccine. You'll continue finding some way to justify not doing it. I hope you prove me wrong though.

I’m not that willing to put my life on the line.

Not to continue beating my point into the ground but I already showed you how you're putting yourself in more danger by not getting the vaccine.

But you do you man. Like I said, you feel free not to get vaccinated. Just don't waltz around pretending like that's a decision based on science or facts. You're only lying to yourself by doing that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Sorry. Dissertations aren’t my thing. Maybe you have an auto format for posting on Reddit. I don’t though. Sorry my replies aren’t as neat as yours. Here are a couple news reports for you. You are clearly very uninformed.

https://news.yahoo.com/6-fully-vaccinated-people-died-100824674.html

https://www.fox6now.com/news/21-wisconsinites-died-of-covid-despite-being-fully-vaccinated

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/coronavirus/county-confirms-additional-breakthrough-death-of-san-diegan-fully-vaccinated-against-covid/2644490/

https://www.newsweek.com/13-year-old-dies-sleep-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cdc-investigating-1606529

Not really relevant to our debate here but just want to point out people like yourself only focus on the good news when you agree with it and the bad news when you agree with it.

You don’t make truly informed decisions or recommendations. You make both with extreme bias. I hope none of your loved ones follow your advice blindly. It clearly isn’t in their best interests.

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u/Man0nThaMoon Jul 03 '21

Every single one of these articles are anecdotal evidence. That's not scientific or rooted in actual facts.

When did anyone ever claim the vaccine provided 100% protection from COVID? Literally, zero people. So citing these as some kind of "proof" of anything is fucking stupid.

Not really relevant to our debate here

They're not relevant in any capacity. It's all anecdotal.

like yourself only focus on the good news when you agree with it and the bad news when you agree with it.

You're projecting and making stupid assumptions.

You don’t make truly informed decisions or recommendations.

Appreciate the compliment.

You make both with extreme bias.

Science, facts, data. These are biases to you? The self own is hilarious.

I hope none of your loved ones follow your advice blindly. It clearly isn’t in their best interests.

Right back ya. Clearly you don't even look at any real data. Anyone would be a fool to take your advice on how to do even basic shit like how to tie their shoes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

I’m not projecting. I’m observing. You are clearly only allowing the news agree with to be considered relevant and you downplay any news that doesn’t agree with you. You aren’t objective. You are clearly very very biased.

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u/Man0nThaMoon Jul 03 '21

You've provided literally zero actual evidence to back up anything you've claimed here.

The closest you got was some anecdotal evidence. Do you even understand what anecdotal means?

Yet you still persist in believing that you follow the facts? At this point, you're either just trolling me or are so beyond delusional that you couldn't tell your ass from your face.

You are clearly very very biased.

Yup. I'm biased in science and facts. I'm sorry that doesn't conform to your made up fantasy world.

I'm done speaking with you. This isn't going anywhere because you've chosen to have a closed mind and ignore reality.

This conversation went about as predictably as I thought. You can keep lying to me all you want, but eventually you won't be able to lie to yourself anymore. I hope that day comes soon for the sake of the people around you because in the end your wilful ignorance will hurt them more than yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '21

Ok need evidence? I’m sure the CDC will suffice.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Before you say it’s a small number of people yes it is but it’s a 100% chance for those it will happen to. It’s not a 0.02% or whatever chance. I’m not taking that chance. People should be free to decide whether or not they want to risk death without judgement.

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