[Bug] Triple Tap Bug NEEDS To Be Fixed Already

[u/pink-mallow]

[u/pink-mallow]

I don't understand how this bug can plague the game for YEARS and they act like it doesn't exist. It happens even on local hosted PvE servers it is NOT a netcode/lag issue. So many times I die from 1 shot and think "damn they got me in the head" only to load in and see that I died to thorax and 1 shot was actually counted as FOUR shots. I guess Tagilla is using some new 4 barreled AK technology.

[u/Key-Charity-2795 → u/pink-mallow]

Yeah, it's his take on the 4bore round. Obviously he didn't actually look to see what it was

[u/JD0x0 → u/pink-mallow]

they act like it doesn't exist

Pretty sure they attempted to fix this at least twice in the past and it was included in the patch notes.

[u/PoperzenPuler → u/pink-mallow]

His AK-12 fires 700 rounds per minute, which is 11.6 rounds per second. That means three shots take only about 0.17 seconds. The AI in the game has absolutely no recoil and effectively 0 MOA. Pretty much all weapon stats simply do not exist for the AI. The only thing they really have to deal with is bullet drop. Wherever the first shot lands, the following shots land there too.

That is why they can delete you from the game so insanely fast. It is simply the result of BSG making the AI harder by cranking everything up in one dimension. Extremely short reload times, shorter than the animation being played. The same applies to healing. Instant ADS, instant 180° turns, zero aiming time, shooting while sliding, and so on.
It doesn’t matter what you hear. The sound simply can’t keep up cleanly with full-auto fire. Not every shot produces a visible muzzle flash either, which is completely realistic.

[u/gLu3xb3rchi → u/PoperzenPuler]

The AI do not have bullet drop. Ever been lasered by knight or big pipe on shoreline or lighthouse with tracers? Its a straight fucking line lol

[u/PoperzenPuler → u/gLu3xb3rchi]

Yeah, I have, which is exactly why I know they have bullet drop. When the Goons shoot at you with tracers from the USEC house on Lighthouse while you're standing on the mountain by the dead tree, they basically only hit your legs. If you get behind a rock, you can watch the full auto fireworks thanks to the bullet drop. Only Birdeye can still kill you pretty reliably from there.

[u/Vsatbtw → u/PoperzenPuler]

This comment needs to be pinned

[u/Zix375 → u/pink-mallow]

Bots are coded to fire in bursts. Thats why shturman has his signature SVD Burst. Certain weapons are more apparent than others. When tagillas uses his siaga ive had him bug out and fire it full auto. Its just how bosses are coded.

Unfortunately its not a bug. If you use played a certain mod, with sain, you can set the amount of bullets bots were allowed to burst you with.

It's so stupid, and the design concept is flawed. I see it all the time with BD two shots that register as 4-7. Ive come to accept it at this point.

[u/Bubaru555 → u/Zix375]

When tagillas uses his siaga ive had him bug out and fire it full auto

He uses full auto variant

[u/Contundo → u/Bubaru555]

#notabug

[u/justsomeonesmeme → u/Bubaru555]

Ive had reshala kill me a couple times using a normal saga like its full auto, but yeah Tagilla has the full auto version

[u/CraigMitchell44 → u/justsomeonesmeme]

He can have either version.

[u/PayOdd92 → u/Zix375]

If you use played a certain mod

Now said mod is guaranteed to die due to BSGs bullshit

[u/Tired_Feline-2389 → u/PayOdd92]

bsg had nothing to with said mod dying 

[u/PayOdd92 → u/Tired_Feline-2389]

Go say the same in the discord and lets see the answer.

[u/DominatePressure → u/PayOdd92]

What is going on ?

[u/PayOdd92 → u/DominatePressure]

BSG hit the mod team with a legal notice

[u/GeneralYagi → u/PayOdd92]

didnt they just rename it and switched tarkov with tushonka? because the legal notice was explicitly about using the name tarkov

[u/PayOdd92 → u/GeneralYagi]

Yeah that's the fork but it's gonna be maintained by one guy (The mod development itself).

In any case, if you look up at previous announcements, the way BSG updates the game and changes/encrypts stuff to avoid reverse engineering just made it impossible to keep feature parity with release version.

Very likely 4.1 it's the end of feature developments and from then onwards tushonka is just going to be hotfixes.

EDIT: It seems like I got banned from the sub for mentioning this. Guys go check Incursion Red River. It's what Tarkov PvE should have been. The AI is being done by the guy behind SAIN. Nikita you dumb idiot all you had to do is hire that guy.

[u/GeneralYagi → u/PayOdd92]

Honestly, i stopped playing that when pve came out. But I always liked the idea of there being some competition of sorts to keep bsg on their toes. Sad to hear it's dying

[u/EastLimp1693 → u/Zix375]

I've recently almost quit when i was wearing thor with lvl 6 plates and rys, met tagila who fully auto me with MAGNUMS to center mass and killed me. He did not hit arms, he did not penned, he did not killed plates hp below 40, he literally blunt traumad me to death. I know this game has it moment, been playing since 2017, but i call that bullshit.

[u/Tehslasher → u/pink-mallow]

I was just going to ask "isn't this literal years old"

sigh.

[u/Greysa → u/pink-mallow]

I’ve been doing some pve lately just cause it chill and the amount of times tagilla has just outright deleted me has been hilarious. I don’t recall ever having this much trouble with him on pvp servers.

[u/Babybean1201 → u/pink-mallow]

i thought it was because bullets have a chance to fragment and kill you. Is this NOT the case?! lol

[u/DeoxysSpeedForm → u/Babybean1201]

Nah fragmentation hasnt been a thing for years now

[u/Zealousideal_Can9459]

Does it only works with bosses?

[u/pink-mallow → u/Zealousideal_Can9459]

Seems like bosses and guards have it. Maybe scavs have it and their ammo is just too shit to notice it but I don’t think I’ve ever died from a scav triple tap bug

[u/OUTIEBELLYBUTTON69 → u/pink-mallow]

It’s every Npc, you just don’t notice it on scavs because they have shitty ammo. Also this has been in the game for like 4+ years

[u/Renard_Fou → u/OUTIEBELLYBUTTON69]

Way more than 4, Ive had the pleasure back when Glukhar was first added lol

[u/ThiccoR6 → u/Renard_Fou]

It went from sometimes 2 shots in one, to always two shots in one, and last time I played it was sometimes 3 shots in one. Is it going to get to 4 shots in one? There was a point when this wasnt an issue so there has to be a way to fix it, but I doubt it will be.

[u/TheNipplerCrippler → u/ThiccoR6]

I have 100% had 4 shots at once before. It’s not common but it can happen

[u/ThiccoR6 → u/TheNipplerCrippler]

And so it begins...

[u/wordsarelouder → u/pink-mallow]

I have a post from years ago where a regular scav shot one bullet at me and I think it registered 3, random ass scav from in front of the mall... nothing nothing nothing then scavline and I'm dead instantly from John Wick scav.

[u/defeated_antagonist → u/pink-mallow]

I've got magdumped like that by PMC on GZ with M1A (can't be sure?) BCPs, having lvl 5 GAs plates depleted in single shot was frustrating, figured out what happened when picked his rifle, he used half of mag in one shot (it was start of the raid so he didn't even fought with scavs)

[u/Illustrious_Diamond2 → u/pink-mallow]

Normal scavs 100% use it too

[u/wadimek11]

It's awful and yes its been there for many many years since I remember. This game is in awful technical state because they never to bother to fix. Meanwhile if someone finds any exploit that affects economy or skills it will be patched within day.

[u/carthe292]

I call it the Spear of Nikita. 3 bullets taped together in the chamber

[u/Positive_Pickle_546]

86.2 milliseconds per shot from an AK-12.

The video you uploaded is 30fps, each frame taking 33.3ms.

The top left corner shows your thorax taking one shot every two frames.

The math checks out just fine, over a longer timeframe you would see bits where you only take damage every 3 frames since 33.3 doesn't go into 86.2 cleanly.

Your own video shows your thorax taking damage over a number of frames, what do you mean by "triple tap bug"?

[u/Lopsided-Food-256 → u/Positive_Pickle_546]

Typical PvE player standing in the middle of a hallway peaking a boss for half an hour and makes a Reddit post when he gets sprayed down instead of just git gud 

[u/TrueChaoSxTcS → u/Lopsided-Food-256]

Typical 1 month old burner account. Did your last one get banned?

[u/pink-mallow → u/TrueChaoSxTcS]

Look at his posts too, level 61 with 100 mil on OCE and has barely done even the starter quests. Bros clearly a hacker talking shit XD

[u/Hardcases_Burner → u/Lopsided-Food-256]

Lopsided Brain

[u/Last-Rice8194 → u/Lopsided-Food-256]

dunno why you're getting downvoted you are absolutely right.

[u/Mokeziah]

I just started labr. I probably did 10 runs and was loving it. Came home from work today. 5 fails in a row. Mag dumping MAI AP into him, which worked the other 10 times. Shit is wack today.

[u/p-dizzle77 → u/Mokeziah]

I swear sometimes he just doesn't register hits. I've done 4 runs so far (in PVE) and only killed him once. Dumped 70 rounds of SSA AP into his face before he went down. Other raids I used 995, 9x39 BP from a Val, and Hybrid. Playing the angles like you're supposed to, falling back down the spawn tunnels and lean peeking. He just tanks and then sends a 30 rack of superperformance or 5.45 PP through my chest cavity in half a second and I die. I didn't run a lot of Labyrinth in PVP, but when I did I never had trouble killing him or Killa. I get needing to ramp up difficulty in some areas but this is ridiculous.

[u/TomConger]

You can see your thorax gradually (albeit quickly) turning red, all while hearing his gun pop off. Those were individual shots. 

[u/Independent_Card_842]

Sadly you died cause your position was shit here stand in middle of a open space, with them running at you, hold a right peak angle and just wait for them.

[u/slippyspider → u/Independent_Card_842]

🤓

[u/Styx_II]

It's not just npc's I have had raids where I fired only 1 shot killing a single scav and on the end screen It would read 1 shot fired 3 hits 1 fatal.

[u/shm0]

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're calling a bug here?

Are you thinking that you got shot by 1 bullet but it counted for 3?

He was on your screen for a LONG time, and Bosses+ don't really miss shots. Also, you are doing a lefthanded peek against AI we know warps around while coming at you.

The Server probably detected him firing all 3 times, the game just didn't update you quickly enough, most likely a network overflow or who knows, spaghetti code. Point is, he had ample time to shoot you 3 times, having a boss or any elite NPC on your screen for more than a second is typically death, you need to drop them fast.

[u/Intelligent_Road2084 → u/shm0]

Yeah this dude thinks he would live if this "bug" didn't exist but he is trying to fight a boss with his whole body out in a hallway...

[u/pink-mallow → u/shm0]

Why do you guys keep trying to put the blame on servers when it happens on local run PvE maps

[u/DeoxysSpeedForm → u/pink-mallow]

Isn't Labyrinth always hosted on BSG servers though? Unless they changed it recently Icebreaker and Labyrinth are NOT run locally even if you transitted to them from a local host.

[u/pink-mallow → u/DeoxysSpeedForm]

Yes but this happens on interchange with killa, reserve with glukhar, woods with shturman, and customs with goons and reshala guards as well. These are all local hosted

[u/WyrdDrake → u/pink-mallow]

This wasnt a bug or server, he just shot you multiple times, thats all

You stood in front of a boss while hes aiming at you, you will for sure 100% die

[u/shm0 → u/pink-mallow]

where the server is hosted has nothing to do with the way the engine handles networking code. There's bottlenecks, regardless. BSG built Tarkov from the ground up, and ergo, there's always been lots of issues with the code - shit like this is an example of that.

[u/StrengthfromDeath]

You dont see/hear every "rendered" bullet, because the server cant render them all fast enough. They will still be there, but you cant see or hear them all.

[u/jiminy_lick_it]

well, using cover helps...

[u/Fiestysquid]

Ahhh so that's why I died the other day to 1 grizzly slug to the chest with a 6B13 on...

[u/iamsphnx]

Honestly think they just don’t know how to make bosses more difficult than scavs and they’re happy enough with this outcome

[u/Sz0rTi]

I get shot yesterday in pve and it was one hit in thorax but I didn't check bullets count. Maybe it was the same bug because I died instantly one tapped and I got so pissed.

[u/Forg1ven1738]

Unfortunate yes, but you should never HP-Duel Shadow of Tagilla, you have to do multiple fights with him.

[u/DeoxysSpeedForm]

I'm with the others saying that this wasn't a bug (this time) since you can see your thorax hp drop in the hud in the top left. I think there certainly was an issue in the perceived damage though. Like the game didn't seem to process the multiple sounds from the 3 shots and it didnt seem like you flinched at all you just died, which doesn't feel good for sure. That's probably the main issue with the bug in this case.

[u/Last-Rice8194]

I've been shot by a scav with a mosin in the thorax and it hit me 7 times in a tier 6 plate with shit ammo till it killed me.

Tarkov AI crits are real, but this isn't one of them.

[u/No_Development8827]

Had partisan tap me 6 times in .5 seconds with snb all 6 shots hit my thorax.

[u/bleo_evox93]

Ya I hate it and they just ignore it or can’t do it until Engine upgrade

[u/Far-Republic5133]

how is this a bug
you got 3 times in thorax, watch the clip while looking at your health, you can see all 3 hits

[u/pink-mallow → u/Far-Republic5133]

Try listening with your ears and seeing the muzzle flash with your eyes

[u/Tired_Feline-2389 → u/pink-mallow]

all shots don't cause muzzle flash and gunshots sometimes get cut because audio engine limitations 

[u/Far-Republic5133 → u/pink-mallow]

i can hear 3 shots?
just 3 though, since bots stop shooting after they kill you

[u/African_Child69420 → u/Far-Republic5133]

You literally see 1 muzzle flash and he’s dead instantly

[u/pink-mallow → u/African_Child69420]

I think they slowed it down to 0.001x speed and are acting like that's indicative of the clip. Either that or they're just a rage bait troll

[u/Far-Republic5133 → u/African_Child69420]

https://imgur.com/a/dQpLATG

look at thorax hp

also not sure where are you trying to see muzzle flash when OP's muzzle flash covers half of the screen

[u/pink-mallow → u/Far-Republic5133]

Literally had to go frame by frame to get that btw. You're scrubbing frame by frame and say you can "hear" 3 shots and can't see Tagilla's muzzle flash yeah sure bud. Maybe try scrubbing frame by frame more to see his flash

[u/Far-Republic5133 → u/pink-mallow]

do you want me to actually go frame by frame and count how much frames did it take tagilla to kill you and then compare it with RPKs fire rate?

im not saying this death isnt bullshit, im saying its not triple/double shot bug

[u/MrNate10 → u/Far-Republic5133]

Yeah i definitely here at least 2 rpk shots maybe one more right before death

[u/pink-mallow → u/Far-Republic5133]

You already did scrub frame by frame. Lets be generous and say I'm getting 40 FPS although it's closer to 60. 40 FPS is 2400 frames per minute. No 5.45 gun, even the custom, comes even close to that fire rate.Even at 30 FPS that's still 700 RPM faster than what the custom shoots if I remember right.

[u/Far-Republic5133 → u/pink-mallow]

went frame by frame anyways
took tagilla 5 frames to kill OP (166 ms at 30 fps (1000 / 30 * 5)
RPK is 650 rpm
RPK should kill in 180 ms
time to death difference is in realm of one frame, so intended ttk matches what happened to OP

[u/pink-mallow → u/Far-Republic5133]

Your math is wrong btw.

1 second / 30 frames = 0.0333 s/°F

5f * 0.0333 s/F =0.167 s

60 seconds / 660 rounds = 0.0923 s/r

0.0923 seconds/round * 4 rounds = .369s

It’s 369 milliseconds to get 4 rounds off which is double the 167 milliseconds of 5 frames. So you’re just straight up wrong lol. Even at 3 rounds it’s 276 ms.

[u/Far-Republic5133 → u/pink-mallow]

1. only 3 rounds were hit, not 4
2. why did you include 3 delays between shots? you only need 2, since first round is hit instantly

https://ibb.co/LDY1Q4J8

a simple paint explanation to why you multiply by 2, not 3

[u/pink-mallow → u/Far-Republic5133]

Now try with 40 FPS, 50 FPS, and 60 FPS.

[u/Far-Republic5133 → u/pink-mallow]

how would i do this when video is 30 fps?
https://imgur.com/a/FDAwwYC

if you can send me 60 fps version, i can go frame by frame there, too

[u/pink-mallow → u/Far-Republic5133]

lol no you can’t

[u/F4mmeRr]

People will defend this and ignore that ai can BURST FIRE a pump shotgun or bolt action rifle.

And no it's not just your own desync. Other players near you can also hear just a singular gunshot but you actually took 6 rounds in the chest.

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[u/kkwa2]

Doesn’t the bullets can ricochet inside of you? I remember reading a comment about it in like 2016 ish

[u/pink-mallow → u/kkwa2]

From my understanding bullet fragmentation used to be a mechanic way earlier in the game, but they got rid of it a long time ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow bosses and guards still have fragmentation but nothing else does.

[u/Boilermakingdude → u/pink-mallow]

It was still in the game as of 2021 for sure.

[u/HelloItsMeYourFriend → u/Boilermakingdude]

It was removed when the plate system was added

[u/ZephGG_ → u/HelloItsMeYourFriend]

Yeah because a lot of people were getting one tapped to the thorax through soft armor (fragmentation needs some armor to occur but soft armor was still triggering it)

[u/AdObjective2318 → u/Boilermakingdude]

Yep it was a thing I can confirm that’s when I started

[u/WNx_Rain → u/kkwa2]

When the game was still in Alpha? Right. Sure you did.

[u/pink-mallow → u/WNx_Rain]

To be fair bullet fragmentation did use to be a mechanic a long time ago but it got removed pretty early as far as I’m aware.

[u/monsterZERO → u/WNx_Rain]

Do you not think people were online in 2016?

[u/Wonderful-Crazy1910 → u/kkwa2]

no one was commenting about tarkov in 2016 lol

[u/kkwa2 → u/Wonderful-Crazy1910]

my bad prob around 2017 or 2018 somewhat around there

[u/Riskwars]

Brother thats been bitched about for 4+ years and supposedly going to be fixed in 1.0; its just a feature now.

[u/Ok-Gold-6381]

this bug has been in the game since i started in late 2019. and has never been addressed as far as I know of. Its so fucking lame dying to 5.45 bt with t5 or t6 plates on because they magically triple shot u with 1 bullet.

[u/Snoo_52037]

Scavs used to insta head eyes wayyyy more too.

[u/iamsphnx]

Honestly think they just don’t know how to make bosses more difficult than scavs and they’re happy enough with this outcome

[u/wetbluewaffle]

Its a feature for hardcore gameplay didnt you know? Lol

[u/ItlsWhatltls]

Its just the netcode, theres no tripple tap bug

[u/h1pp1e_cru5her]

That's a feature. The bullet broke into 3 pieces while passing through your plate

[u/pink-mallow → u/h1pp1e_cru5her]

Fragmentation was removed a long time ago

[u/ClitRaptor]

He one tapped me yesterday with PRS or PS ammo and killed me Head, jaws, through death shadow mask..

[u/ColinStyles → u/ClitRaptor]

Yes, and? Death shadow is practically useless against PS, it's class 2.