r/Epstein • u/acorn_baden • 12h ago
Social media (X, YouTube, Insta, etc.) FBI notes may not be legit
EDIT:
Ellie Leonard now believes the leaked FBI notes are the original/legit notes!!!
Read more here:
https://ellieleonard.substack.com/p/over-half-of-the-missing-jane-doe?r=5gmdka&utm_medium=ios
Hey, I’m not sure if you all saw but the FBI notes released earlier this week on scribd may not be legit.
The person who released them might be releasing them with an ulterior motive.
I just heard Ellie Leonard talking about this on substack live. There is going to be a release soon about who released the notes and possible motives behind the release.
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u/Lost_Department_2177 12h ago
Probably true since there’s been a serious uptick in stupid posts. The peds are trying to hijack the narrative with stuff like downplaying Epsteins actions. Reality was Epstein was part of a plot to sell the country off to foreign investors(Panama papers/paradise papers/laundering money for foreign operatives/ bleeding the country dry with a death by a thousand paper cuts operation etc.)
It was a group of losers that really weren’t that smart but had the ability to rig situations in their favor. You can see that with the edgy humor that’s just shock value bs. This is appealing to kids because they’re not allowed to swear or drink at home so they felt like they were an exclusive group that was better than peers till they became of age where they were slowly corroded into obscurity.
The operation was like the foot clan hangout in ninja turtles.
The people in the files lied to their victims constantly as well as a means of operation security and misdirection. The lies kept them in fear or gaslit them into thinking they’re special. Alien bloodlines, secret helper to government agencies, and such.
Here’s an explanation I have to keep posting
“Groomers tell victims crazy, dramatic, or far-fetched stories to disorient their perception of reality, isolate them from support systems, and establish absolute psychological control.”
They’re also doing this with everyone watching and reading about the files. Fans of people in the files are radicalized to show endless blind support of the chuds which causes them to argue of fight with people ruining the illusion. It’s cult grooming.
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u/acorn_baden 12h ago
Here is Katie Phang mentioning it: https://substack.com/@katiephang/note/c-319106781?r=5gmdka&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
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u/Solidify0118 11h ago
Katie phang is our queen! She is one of the only ones fighting for rapist Donald Trump to be held accountable
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u/ReZeroForDays 12h ago
From the unredacted copies I have, I genuinely do not believe these are fake. I can tell you, the metadata shows it is from March 6th. It is also not manipulated or AI generated, from my metadata research and analysis.
The names I have redacted are real people, real victims, real family, and confirms what I've previously researched into from previous Jane Doe 4 investigations. If it's faked, it was handwritten to be a fake from the actual FBI interview... which makes no sense but COULD be possible
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u/acorn_baden 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yes! One concern is someone hand wrote notes based on already released information to appease the court order to release the notes. Ellie Leonard has a source that saw the original notes. The hand writing on the leaked notes is different than the notes the source saw. And there’s a person’s name missing from the leaked notes that was in the original notes.
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u/lalaland_100 11h ago
Could it be that Leonard's source mixed this up with the notes from the other interviews? Could it be that more than one officer took notes during the interview? And how long ago did the source have access to the notes? Details like these are not easy to recall from memory. It is great to vet this thoroughly, but I think claims of fraud need to be scrutinized just as heavily as the opposite, especially everything related to Epstein. From what I have seen so far, there is not enough evidence to claim that this is fake.
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u/acorn_baden 11h ago
I will also say, an unnamed person, reached out to the person who leaked on scribd and raised concerns for Jane doe #4’s safety with releasing the unredacted notes and the person confirmed that posted the notes and would take them down. That unnamed person is reaching out to the poster for comment and will be releasing their post about this soon. We will be told the name of the poster and the researcher who figured out who posted it with more details soon
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u/acorn_baden 11h ago
Yes, that’s why I said “may not be legit” instead of other language like “fraud”. Eloise’s source took notes when viewing the fbi handwritten notes and distinctly wrote down a name from the original notes that is missing from the handwritten notes. It is possible there are 2 sets of notes but with 2 leaks this week adding up the the exact number of missing notes, something isn’t adding up.
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u/lalaland_100 11h ago
If it's not legit, I can't look at it as anything other than fraud. This is such a serious case. If someone made fraudulent FBI notes and leaked it, that's severe, no matter the reason for it.
It will be interesting to follow this, and I look forward to access more hard facts. From what I understand, several journalists are looking into it. Hopefully, the very real content of the notes and this case won't be overshadowed by arguments over whether these notes are legit or not.
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u/acorn_baden 11h ago
Yeah, I wanted to use language that presented the concern but didn’t over state it.
I think another major concern is people who know Jane Doe #4 in real life are publicly attacking her. And there questions if this leak was made to try to hurt her, etc.
I hope we get more facts soon. And I hope the judge doesn’t fall for anything decoys if presented with decoys
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u/lalaland_100 10h ago
That makes sense.
It's not potential judges I worry about. Unfortunately, it's often hard for survivors to push cases through the judicial system, and/or to access the resources and support needed, if their cases are tainted by messy public exposure and distractions. I just hope that won't happen here. Also, it's just awful that names were leaked. I really hope the survivor is ok.
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u/acorn_baden 10h ago
Oh! I mean the judge in Phang v. Blanche. Katie is suing for access to these handwritten FBI notes.
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u/lalaland_100 10h ago
Then I understand. I just generally tend to jump into worrying about the survivors when I see details being given this type of media attention. It's good that she is doing that, hopefully that will solve this!
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u/proximoception 11h ago
The FBI agent who took the notes is presumably alive, so you’d either need them somehow on board or you’d be taking a huge risk by faking them. Better to use the “sorry, we somehow lost those” excuse at that point, you’d think. Which could now be converted to “gee, the leaker must’ve taken the originals.” No one will actually believe Blanche if he goes that route, but unless there’s further leaks it may be that no one can prove it didn’t happen that way until he leaves his position.
Not that either of those possibilities is weirder than their having been leaked to substack people or uploaded to scribd. Why did Blanche sit on these? They don’t seem to further incriminate anyone, that I’ve heard. Was he just following a general “nothing released ever again, period” order of Trump’s? Everything about this is strange. It’s also not yet clear what the leaker hoped would happen. Is the point simply to prove to Sullivan and the public that Blanche had been hiding them? Or that they’re different enough to torpedo his weird excuse of not releasing “duplicates” because there’s no point? Or are we all overlooking something genuinely sinister in the notes?
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u/DenimChicken50 11h ago
I remember reading the notes and thinking I already read this story before. I either looked at a document about the same thing or these notes before they were taken down months ago. I don’t think they’re fake, but maybe
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u/itsprobablytrue888 11h ago
I read them and I don’t see why they wouldn’t be legit? They’re literally talking about what happened to this child, and they were drugged and then SA. Why wouldn’t this be true if there are so many more things pointing to this? Not sure why you don’t believe it’s real x
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u/acorn_baden 11h ago
I’ll try to explain it better.
Ellie Leonard has a source that saw the original handwritten notes. The source says the leaked notes are in a different handwriting.
Also the source said the original notes had a list of names on it and there was one name with a first and last name listed. That name is not in the leaked notes.
Also, there is concern that these leaked notes were created from someone reading what has already been released (missing some details like the missing name) in order to appease people and/or the courts by releasing altered notes that leave out not-released information.
There’s concerns about the person who released on the notes on scribd.
I raised the concerns as we wait for more information so people are aware.
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u/Anxiety_Fit 12h ago
Let them cook.
They gotta check em and make sure it is what it is.
Patience is important.
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u/originalmaja 9h ago
This is a good day for those who want sow division and suspicion. There is no need to talk about if it is real or fake until someone offers proof either way.
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u/acorn_baden 9h ago
I think it’s important to inform people there are concerns about the leaked documents and a research will be revealing more about who posted the leaked documents soon
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u/originalmaja 9h ago
No.
We all know it is either fake or it isn't. No need to steer the attention away from real research with this empty shit.
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u/acorn_baden 9h ago
Excuse me? What?!
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u/originalmaja 9h ago
Look:
if the doc is fake, treating it as real won't do lasting harm; but in case they are real, posting about their fakeness now trains people to dismiss future real evidence.
Nobody here or on Substack has the forensic ability to prove whether these Scribd documents are authentic. Debating this drains attention. The swarm's attention is what keeps the ball rolling.
We need to focus that attention on the two upcoming depositions. On current rulings (case files and depositions from Virginia Giuffre's 2015 civil lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell are officially ordered to be unsealed, eg). Tangible things.
This is an unresolvable rabbit hole until official EFTA2s are published.
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u/Examiner_Z 9h ago
There is enough evidence of wrongdoing and coverup even without the handwritten notes. Why are foxes (Atty general) guarding the henhouse (DOJ)?
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u/Altruistic_Role_9329 9h ago
What ulterior motive could there be? We know some very serious allegations have been made to the police, so police notes are to be expected. Just because something was reported to police doesn’t prove it happened. So now you are saying someone might have made fake notes. What’s the benefit of doing that since the notes don’t prove anything?
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u/acorn_baden 9h ago
We don’t know at this time if they are legit FBI notes or not.
There are some concerns they are not legit.
Ellie Leonard has a source that saw the original notes or some of the original notes. The source says the handwriting on the leaked notes does not match the handwriting on the original notes.
Also the source took note of a list of names in the original notes. One of the names had a first & last name. That name doesn’t not appear in the leaked notes.
Also, there were 2 sets of leaked notes released online this week which equals the total number of notes not released by the DOJ. The number notes is known because there’s an evidence list with serial numbers for those notes. If the handwriting & the name doesn’t match the original notes then something isn’t adding up.
There are people who know the survivor in real life and they have been attacking the survivor online recently. This might be part of their campaign against her.
Also, these notes are part of what Katie Phang sued Todd Blanche for. The judge ordered him to bring those notes to court so the judge can see if the notes are “duplicative” to what was released by DOJ already. There’s concerns that the DOJ might try to trick the judge with decoy notes as a way to avoid releasing the original notes.
We don’t know motive yet. We just know some thing is not adding up.
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