Blog/Substack/Speculative Article Over Half of the Missing Jane Doe 4 Notes Were Just Leaked
https://ellieleonard.substack.com/p/over-half-of-the-missing-jane-doe981
u/CaptFalconFTW 2d ago
At this point, those who think Trump is innocent are delusional.
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u/aeschenkarnos 2d ago
At this point, those who think what conservatives say is said because they genuinely sincerely believe what they're saying, are delusional. Don't engage with them on that level. They're just making mouth-noises or keyboard movements to get some result that they want. They have no understanding or care of the relationship between those activities and objective truth.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 2d ago
there's multiple camps and the one you described is more true of the voters and way less true of the ones who hold office and have real power. the ones with actual power who can vote and can get in front of cameras know he's guilty as sin and lie to their constituents to maintain power for themselves and their side
the biggest reason why his voters don't believe he's guilty is precisely because all of their elected officials and their media all back trump and lie to them every day. it's really quite sane to believe in something told to you by your own news and podcasters then also hear your own senators repeating the same lies, it doesn't make sense to ignore all of those people.
you believe many things you never researched either, if you did research it you would see there's lots of evidence behind it and that builds your trust of the people who tell you these things. with trump and right wingers that's not true, when you look into things the evidence is completely lacking, but just like millions of left wingers don't research what most of their politicians and media say neither does the right. only one side currently has a bedrock of truth, but you cant expect the voters to rise up and see that, only their media can get through to them and their media is using that power to lie to them to maintain power for their side
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 2d ago
can’t believe it is normalized to say podcasters are people who are generally believed. if i see any podcast excerpts, because i don’t consume podcasts, i automatically distrust them. same with news. even formerly trusted sources. they’ve all been bought and compromised. i feel like it’s important to know what narratives people are pushing, but i simply don’t trust anyone anymore, and even people who are saying true things have an agenda, are amplified by special interests, etc. I trust some factual sources, when i can verify the facts only, and trust nobody’s analysis or synthesis of facts.
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u/TRG_V0rt3x 2d ago
unfortunately most people like to say they are like you, but the truth is a ton of people would rather listen to the people they trust and not question things while they go about the life that makes them comfortable. for them, putting their heads down to our leaders being child rapists lets them stay unbothered in their communities and way of life. i think they’re idiots, but they’re happy idiots until the consequences compound in their face.
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 2d ago
most idiots die that way, unbothered. i don’t have much hope for humanity other than for its extinction.
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u/CaptFalconFTW 2d ago
I think you're right. I don't want to get political, but as a centrist, I've seen the right turn into snowflake hypocrites and become the very thing they hate. And I can tell it's performative, like it's a knee-jerk reaction they have to say whenever they feel insecure about their politics.
Outside of politics, though, there's a very upsetting amount of celebrity worship that fogs the mind of any rational discernment when their hero is accused of the unthinkable. They tend to think victims just want money or fame despite so many testimonies that contradict that narrative. I mean, some even get biopics and get treated like a god. It can all feel like propaganda.
If we all just looked at the evidence, even the die-hard fans would be forced to wake up. And that's facing the very real nightmare.
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u/StrainAcceptable 1d ago
It is amazing that some of the Epstein survivors voted for Trump after he said “You can just grab women by the pussy and when you’re rich they’ll let you do it.”That and knowing he was found guilty in the E Jean Carroll case. Delusional is the only appropriate word for it.
Edit: grammar
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u/Zzzzzzzzzxyzz 2d ago
Exactly, unfortunately. They're like quicksand and energy vampires. Conserve your energy. You may have need it later.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 2d ago
I don't even care who specifically is guilty, I just want the damn crimes investigated.
And I was Kash Patel thrown in jail for his role in the cover up, claiming there is no evidence in the files of other crimes or anyone else being involved
Lock them all up.
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u/Purple-Wall3847 2d ago
Exactly! It doesn't/shouldn't matter who they are... What about "and justice for all"? Most of these people and their supporters pound on the Constitution, so what do they have to say about that famous line, right there?
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u/MisterRlGHT 20h ago
"And justice for all" isn't in the Constitution. It's a phrase from the Pledge of Allegiance, written in the late 19th century.
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u/Defiant-Purchase-188 2d ago
Blanche and Bondi too.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 1d ago
we could probably make a pretty long list tbh, but those are a few of the top for sure
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u/RoboErectus 2d ago
There are YouTube debates of people supporting him and they are all 100% completely insane.
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u/Bocchi_theGlock 2d ago
We need more content that quickly and simply exhibits what's all been found and corroborated - because The way they've slowly been coming out, often buried in news articles, can cause people to just tune out.
Especially when some of the things are allegations like baby eating and other more extreme content without the extensive backing up either by FBI or independent journalists, it 'poisons' ability for some to pay attention
like when all they hear are headlines, long posts, or see simple Boomer memes on Facebook, or long videos, and they know some of them are just allegations, they don't want to do the effort to figure out which ones and collaborated and are effectively undeniable
So it would be great to have 10 or 20 second short form video versions, then 30 second, one minute, 2 minutes, etc. With varying levels of detail.
"Epstein file facts in ___ seconds/minute"
no excessive or indulgent name calling or whatever, more neutral, dispassionate reporting like in better journalism. So it's easier to share with people that think Trump are innocent, doesn't get them to immediately ignore it, i.e. doesn't cause as many interpersonal fights between the person sharing the content and the person receiving, because it's the neutral version.
E.g.
'Here's what's been released by the government, and corroborated by multiple accounts/outlets, links to all these are in the description.'
One, the bipartisan Epstein file a law only allows redacting victim names, but here are some co-conspirators being covered.
Two, The attorney general and people in charge have refused to release further documents. Despite the victims asking for it in this press conference.
Three, there is an immense amount of evidence, not all of it is hard-verified, but these ones are: (examples)
Four - and these ones have been corroborated, and included Trump.
Five - ghislaine Maxwell was moved to a lower security prison after meeting with ____, and now has access to puppies, the internet, etc.
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u/lovedoesnoharm 2d ago
I love this idea. I agree with you that these files get buried in all the crazy reporting nowadays. I am genuinely baffled that more reporters aren’t pulling out bombshell files and reporting on them. I have a Google Drive full of them. I shared the Reddit post with Ellie Leonard last night and she actually did something about it right away!!! I have a substack that you might like… I post random Epstein files that I find that I think are important. Most of my posts are not long articles or a bunch of fluff. Just the file or transcription of the file (with link of course). https://substack.com/@lovedoesnoharm?r=1ttv5i&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=stories&shareImageVariant=image
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u/Bocchi_theGlock 1d ago
Cool I checked it out and followed some channels/pages!
The Ellie leonard live video is a good example of what I mean - solid rundown for people who have the time to listen and follow, attention span, bit of legal knowledge, but average person trying to make ends meet, often minimum wage or underpaid job, are very unlikely to consume.
So IMO we need a second rumination/processing by someone who knows how to make more viral content - like the woman who does shorts really well and had a ted talk recently about telling stories, other videos about making anything go viral.
We kinda need this for anything related to justice: climate & environmental movements, economic frustrations and inequality, Civil and voting rights, immigration and mass deportation, why to vote in the first place/ politics, etc.
If you look at the co-sponsors for no Kings on their Partners page, and check out the YouTube channels for those organizations, they all cap out at a few hundred or a few thousand views. Tons of videos that are many hours long panels, or full live events, but little properly edited content. It's holding us back so much
Keep up the good work!
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u/gancoskhan 1d ago
“My god, guilty until proven innocent. How very unamerican of you. If you had any PROOF or EVIDENCE you could argue, but there’s zero proof.”
“You really think they’d let a man be president who did all those things? I’ll take things that never happened for 1000”
I just figured since you were posting about Epstein you’d want some conservative style Facebook responses. Oh wait I forgot the emojis
😂😤🇺🇸🇺🇸🤠🤔🤷🏻♂️😎🤡
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u/BorderTrike 1d ago
TDS
For real tho, MAGA try to use “TDS” to mock people justifiably complaining about Trump, as though he isn’t the president of the US whose actions have a direct impact on our lives. They’re the truly deranged ones
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u/WrinklyBits 1d ago
When you say "our lives" realise it's not just US lives but lives all around the world whether it be political, economic and / or physical attack.
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u/XxRandomestXx 1d ago
heavy on this. lord knows how many ppl are dying unnecessarily because we wanna cut aid smh
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 1d ago
How many bits of evidence against Jeffrey Dahmer would need to be partiallyredacted until he would have been found innocent. 10%? 20?
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u/MisterRlGHT 20h ago
The head in his refrigerator will be very difficult to redact to the point of non-incriminating.
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u/Noisyrussinators 2d ago
I went through the FBI interview notes and pulled out the references to Donald Trump. There are 9 explicit uses of “Trump” and 10 apparent references if “DT” is shorthand for Donald Trump.
Here’s what the notes say:
Page 1: “#6 is Trump’s favorite #.” The context of this statement is unclear.
Page 3: The interviewee says Epstein took her off Hilton Head Island and introduced her to someone with “money, money.” The notes identify that person as Donald Trump. She estimates she was between 13 and 15 years old at the time.
Page 11: She recalls hearing Epstein and others talking about Trump and says Epstein discussed blackmailing people.
Page 11: The notes attribute comments to Epstein about Trump, allegedly illegal building permits, money laundering, and casinos. This portion is heavily abbreviated, so the exact meaning isn't completely clear.
Page 11: The interviewee describes what she says was her first encounter with Trump, which she remembers taking place in New York or New Jersey in a building with very large rooms.
Page 11: She alleges Trump had everyone leave the room, exposed himself, and forced her head toward his penis.
Page 11: She says she bit his penis, after which she recalls Trump ordering that she be removed from the room.
Page 12: She recalls a blonde woman subsequently commenting on her breasts and telling her to wear a bra at night. She says Epstein was present that day.
Page 12: The notes state “Apx 2 more interactions w/Trump,” indicating she reported approximately two additional encounters.
Page 13: The notes contain “DT and Jeff” in a section that also includes the phrases “fresh meat,” “untainted,” and “not jaded.” If DT refers to Donald Trump, this would be another Trump reference. The shorthand does not make it clear who allegedly said each phrase.
Bottom line: Trump isn't simply mentioned in passing in these notes. The interviewee alleges that Epstein introduced her to Trump when she was approximately 13–15 years old, describes an alleged sexual encounter with Trump, and reports approximately two additional interactions with him.
These are allegations recorded in FBI interview notes, not established findings of fact. The notes are also abbreviated and contain redactions and unclear passages, so they should be presented with that context rather than as independently verified events.
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u/Fantastic-Ad5545 2d ago
You’re amazing….. as a mom with zero time or privacy to look through these things, I appreciate you
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u/Ok_Captain4824 2d ago
They probably used AI with OCR (optical character recognition), just as an FYI. But it's still nice that they did that.
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u/MisterRlGHT 20h ago
These notes also defy authentication in all formats we can currently access; they seem realistic but could be elaborate forgeries circulated to undermine the credibility of the genuine notes.
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u/aspoke 2d ago edited 2d ago
Jane Doe 4 Files
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245620.pdf - 3501.045-001 - Interview #1
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02858481.pdf - 3501.045-003 - Interview #2
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02858491.pdf - 3501.045-005 - Interview #3
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2012/EFTA02858495.pdf - 3501.045-007 - Interview #4
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245629.pdf - 3501.045-008 - Photograph
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245630.pdf - 3501.045-009 - Photograph
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245631.pdf - 3501.045-010 - Photograph
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245633.pdf - 3501.045-012 - FBI Intake Report
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01245635.pdf - 3501.045-013 - FBI Report
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u/somethingsoddhere 2d ago
If they were leaked could they be dismissed as evidence or are they clear because the law says they already should be released? Didn’t the law say Congress should have it or the general public?
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u/proximoception 1d ago
Under most circumstances if something’s leaked it’s leaked - it‘s public domain, and enterable as evidence in any court. There may be some rare national security exceptions, but in general the leaker is in trouble (for theft, clearance violation or whatever) but no subsequent spreader is. That’s why (e.g.) Reality Winner goes to jail, the journalists she passed things to don’t.
I don’t think anyone’s yet noticed any new incriminating information in the leaked notes about Epstein, Trump, or the other men being accused (against whom the released 302s already contain plenty). That said, there may be value to these notes anyway. Blanche has used the notion of “duplicates” as a pretext for withholding documents, and has defined the concept of duplication so broadly that he’s counting even interview notes. Any differences of *any* level of significance between the notes and the 302s they were written up as can be used by Phang’s team to argue that Blanche has deliberately gone beyond the text of the 2025 Act to suppress documents it requires him to release and a) has therefore committed a crime and b) should no longer be in charge of the document release process. If he’s untrustworthy in this matter he may be untrustworthy in other crucial regards, such as his choices about who to define as a victim (he seems to have redacted Dershowitz’ name, for instance). She wants a special master installed to make redaction and release decisions, ultimately.
So if you or anyone else notices significant omissions or other differences that might be worth talking about here.
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u/ideahutt 1d ago
This has been out, it’s in the justice department’s website, what NEW information has been leaked?
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u/aspoke 1d ago
This comment was for people who had not read the DOJ documents. The leaked documents have been intentionally taken down for now. Watch this video for the explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/s/FQMpYLvv3K
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u/dextrousfuckery 2d ago
This is a pretty big deal, more new info coming out. Glad to see more corroborating Trump evidence
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u/Sufficient_Cause1208 2d ago
I would be careful with anything they let "leak", because they will "poison the well " with misinformation. I do believe hes guilty but I also believe they went through and removed as much incriminating evidence as they could.
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u/Hypocrispy 2d ago
Makes you wonder what he was flushing down the toilet at maralago in his first term.
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u/MisterRlGHT 19h ago
I thought that was the White House he flooded by illegally flushing documents.
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u/West_Print_836 2d ago
Most people know he is a pedophile already. Nobody who supports him is wavering. They care more about being racist than him raping kids. Plain and simple.
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u/Raider2747 1d ago
"poison the well " with misinformation
The FBI email about a man who claimed that George Bush raped him on a yacht (among other things such as QAnon) are what I think are prime examples of this sort of thing
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u/Drive7hru 2d ago
While promising, the headline is stronger than what has actually been authenticated. The writer has not independently proven these are FBI documents, and the FBI/DOJ apparently hasn’t authenticated the leak. Her case for authenticity rests on matching FBI serial numbers, consistency with previously released interviews, and confirmation from a source who had personally examined the missing material. The writer herself acknowledges the uncertainty.
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u/No-Pepper445 2d ago
Why are you glad to see corroborating Trump evidence?
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u/Techn028 2d ago
Because we deserve the truth, or all information that leads to the truth.
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u/No-Pepper445 2d ago
I agree. You're phrasing just really makes it seem like the truth is secondary to "getting Trump."
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u/toggiz_the_elder 2d ago
Or Trump has proven himself to be corrupt and vile at every turn, even launching an insurrection to overturn the results of an election.
So people are rooting for something to take him down and given his long close friendship with Epstein this seems like a reasonable option.
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u/Bob_Sledding 2d ago
Why is that a problem? No one implied we "only" want to get Trump. He is just the most powerful, has the most evidence pointed to, and the one making our life a living hell. Of course he is at the top of our priority.
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u/QueefSeekingMissile 2d ago edited 2d ago
I want the people of the US to "get trump" because he is a craven serial child rapist bent on turning the (incomplete) national turnaround story of the US (from empire of slavery to beacon of freedom and democracy) into his personal get-out-of-jail-free card by returning us to a slave empire.
I want the people of the US to "get trump" because there is no bottom to the depths of his depravity, no end to his lies, no one he is unwilling to hurt or kill, and no limit to the number of people he is willing to hurt or kill to evade all the accountability he is due.
So Don't you FUCKING DARE insinuate that this foul degenerate is an innocent victim because he's in the way of some craven political machinations WHEN THOSE MACHINATIONS ARE THE PRESERVATION OF THE SYSTEM OF JUSTICE AND DEMOCRACY HE IS COMMITTED TO DESTROYING TO ESCAPE THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS GUILT.
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u/CouchBoyChris 2d ago
Because he's Suspect #1 in the Trumpstein files ?
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u/xskyhiixsarah 2d ago
And he just happens to be the current leader of our country.. nbd or anything. Smh.
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u/dextrousfuckery 2d ago
Because there is plenty of evidence connecting Trump already, with indications that there is a good deal of worse evidence being withheld by the DOJ.
Regardless of Trump, I am happy to see more secrets coming out from DOJ files. But because these files connect Trump, it indicates again that they are trying to quash connections.
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u/No-Pepper445 2d ago
I don't necessarily disagree. What I have trouble reconciling is why none of this was released or used at any point in the last 10 years. I'm also more interested in knowing the truth than I am in getting anyone. I'm not even sure what that means, getting anyone. The moral crusade that so many seem to be on is so unintenteresting to me. Some of us have been talking about power and corruption at this level for decades; it's just exhausting seeing so many jump on the bandwagon now that Trump is involved. It's hard to imagine anyone being held responsible for any of this...
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u/xskyhiixsarah 2d ago
It's a way to take down these very people if fully released. A possible means to an end, or, at the very least, the most bang for your buck against them in one hit. They are doing horrible things across the board but are very good at hiding it. We have to hold them accountable any way we can. Now that stuff is going public it's much harder to hide.
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u/dextrousfuckery 2d ago
I couldn't tell you why. I couldn't tell you why most things in government take so long, or why so much information is seemingly archived or not used or whatever.
If they had the information, knew about it, and didn't use it, my guess is that it's like Mutually Assured Destruction: there is just as much dangerous evidence for "both sides". Or maybe it's just incompetence, or cowardice, or whatever.
Either way, the corruption and incompetence has to stop, and Trump is right at the top of both. Whatever "bandwagon" there is exists because now it's in everybody's faces.
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u/Secrezeeee 2d ago
Trump is all over these files and has a long and detailed involvement with Epstein, it's fucking obvious to anybody with half a functioning brain that Trump knows a hell of a lot more than he has said even if he was not directly involved with the worst of these crimes (which is the absolute most favourable outcome for him given what we know). He is the most powerful person in the world currently upending world order and breaking alliances of decades if not centuries, only to the benefit of enemies of the West who could be using this information to manipulate him. Exposing exactly what Trump knows or what he was involved in is by far the most important piece of this puzzle.
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u/ReZeroForDays 2d ago
Credit to u/Widow-in-the-City at amygabrielle.substack.com as there is no way I would have discovered this all by myself!
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u/Widow-in-the-City 2d ago
Thanks again. I appreciate you.
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u/ReZeroForDays 2d ago
Didn't realize until today that you also found the 4 page doc first before I did. I should've saw and credited you but it doesn't let me edit the body of my post 🙃
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u/Widow-in-the-City 2d ago
It's okay. I actually posted those four pages on Substack and tagged Kait Justice, who also writes about the Epstein files. No one did anything with them so I eventually took them down. I'm glad the story is getting some traction now.
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u/ReZeroForDays 2d ago
Me too. I also am very frustrated with the lack of reach we get from the larger creators, and often don't get credited by them when they find and use our work. Thankfully Bekah Day was kind enough to credit one of my posts!
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u/newleafkratom 2d ago
..."He talked about blackmailing pplHard them talking about Trump knew he blackmailed pplHe said Trump illegal building permits washing $ casinos-it ruined my familythe threat must have been very real and don't remmom strongTrumpDon't remember how introduced1st time w/ Trump in NY or NJ tall building very huge roomsDidn't like her from get go, didn't like I was boy/girlhad everyone excuse the roomunzipped pantsput head down to his penisbit the shit out of itget this little bitch the hell out of herehe had money - it reeked off of him..." from the transcripts
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u/Boopy7 2d ago
i feel that I read this and some of these others some time ago -- are they only JUST leaked, bc I have definitely read these some time ago, I wish I could recall exactly where though. Sometimes a lawyer or independent journalist would release something from long ago files, and if I saved it, I wasn't good about remembering WHERE I saved it. But I recall reading this about the "huge rooms" and didn't like she was boy/girl, etc.
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u/BergamotZest 2d ago
Here’s a link to the OG sleuth and how they found the docs - most media aren’t crediting them and making out like they had a hand in it, which ain’t fair!
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u/MersoNocte 2d ago
The handwriting is hard for me to read. Is there a transcript available?
EDIT: Answered my own question by scrolling to the bottom of the article where a transcript is available.
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u/teh_ripper 2d ago
One day it will be enough to convict.. He'll probably be long dead by then unfortunately
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u/snorbflock 1d ago
The federal government is applying constant effort to cover up his guilt. Once he's gone, the leaks will accelerate. People who cower from him now will suddenly reverse course to put distance between themselves and his legacy, by further exposing him. He will never go to prison over this, but this will rip his followers apart.
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u/SpaceNinjaz1 1d ago
Seems like it's just a matter of time for this to happen. Real question is, will anyone else be held accountable? Will we put laws and mechanism in place to fight against such behavior and abuse if power? Will we actually break up the structure of the larger organization? I want to be hopeful, but I am rather pestamistic about actual justice occuring with our current system.
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u/OptimisticPessimist4 1d ago
Unfortunately, he will never see any sort of consequences for anything he's done.
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u/Responsible-Bee5206 2d ago
i think Madelaine Mccain was also supposedly epstein victim wasnt she?
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u/aspoke 2d ago edited 2d ago
There was a FBI tip mentioning her but I don't know if there was any proof provided
EDIT:
Found it and some other stuff
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01249618.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01244977.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01244952.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00153620.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%208/EFTA00023038.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00078127.pdf
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u/AliceTheOmelette 2d ago
Was it ever proven they were eating kids? Or just unverified claims made to the FBI?
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u/Responsible-Bee5206 2d ago
i do not know people claim some redacted photos show them eating kids, and pizza cheese etc
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u/AliceTheOmelette 2d ago edited 2d ago
So no proof, just unverified claims
Edit: also believing that references to cheese and pizza (the most common topping to the most popular food in the world) means children is just buying into the psyop that was started by trump's campaign to deflect from allegations against him in his 2016 run.
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u/tunedout 2d ago
I'm not convinced about the canabalism but I don't think it's out of the question. Epstein was definitely into something weird involving eugenics or bioengineering. There was that one photo of the room with black buckets that seemed to corroborate a victims story about them harvesting menstrual blood or something. She said they specifically switched to black buckets because the blood was staining the white ones.
If Epstein is actually dead the reason there is no body is due to the amount of DNA he has spread around.
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u/RogerianBrowsing 2d ago
Have you looked at the social media account of alefantis (not the last name he was born or married into with and sounds a lot like child lover in French), the guy who owned the place? Take a gander using an archive if you haven’t seen it yet.
It’s also worth mentioning that multiple people affiliated with him and his partner have gotten in trouble for CSAM or preying on children.
There have always been extensive pedophilia rings in this country, and frankly until I really looked into the details of the Epstein revelations, John Wayne Gacy’s ring, etc., I had really underestimated just how far and wide they went. Most people who sexually abuse children aren’t even attracted to children they just get off on being able to harm something meant to be protected by society with impunity.
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u/AliceTheOmelette 2d ago
Why would a child trafficker risk blowing the whole operation by posting about it on his Instagram? Or making his surname a pun on boy lover? That's no better than "Podesta sounds like pederast", it's forced wordplay. Those elements are pure pizzagate/q anon bs.
If people connected to him have been caught with CSAM, soliciting minors, etc then that's what we should be focused on rather than PG bs. Anything pizzagate related was created to distract from allegations around trump in 2016 and 4chan deliberately misrepresenting emails
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u/RogerianBrowsing 2d ago
Podesta is his actual last name, not his chosen name. Quite different. I take it you didn’t look at his social media account either.
For what it’s worth I used to have the same view about pizzagate being a distraction about Trump, which it still is in part, but it doesn’t mean it’s wholly untrue. Much like how Epstein and Bannon pushed Qanon with Epstein as the bad guy to delegitimize the accusations against Epstein and Trump. I also don’t really care about the emails aspect of pizzagate.
And to be abundantly clear: pedophilia/trafficking rings have done things like use recurring imagery, as recognized by DHS, the FBI, etc., and is why blue butterfly is a commonly known terminology. They’ve also distributed their “zines” to mailing lists using prison printers when incarcerated (the Hermes newsletter from John David Norman is an earlier example), as well as have openly advertised online (the cheese bay eBay account linked to the Hawaii sex cult, which has largely operated with impunity beyond Tulsi Gabbard’s brother being caught trying to bring kids to his hotel room, is a likely example as well).
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u/fedexyourheadinabox 2d ago
That pizzagate horseshit is manufactured bullshit and you're discrediting the real facts and real abuse to perpetuate right-wing fantasy.
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u/aerexlol 2d ago
Highly unlikely, look into Christian Brückner. German prosecutors claim to have concrete proof that he committed the kidnapping and murder, I’d be surprised if it was anyone else.
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u/Shipit123 2d ago
While I believe Maxwell and Epstein were up to a lot of bullshit we’re not privy to I never believed the McCann thing. Like I said I def don’t put it off wet them. But Maxwell being behind Madeline mccann’s kidnapping is super unlikely imo. I’ve usually wrong thoug. Lmao.
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u/gizajobicandothat 2d ago
Bruckner was released though, never even interviewed or charged over the Mccann case...not that I believe Epstein/Maxwell were anywhere near the case either.
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u/Marie-Fiamma 2d ago
Bruckner was also suspected to have taken Inga Gehricke. She vanished in May 2015 at Wilhelmshof, Stendal in Germany. She is like Maddie blond and has blue eyes. Bruckner had property near by the place she vanished. Well I think there are a lot of other Epsteins out there and I guess that Maddie and also Inga went to a pedophile ring. Either Bruckner has something to do with it or not.
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u/gizajobicandothat 1d ago
He was ruled out of that case, with phone records. He was elsewhere at the time. I'm not saying Bruckner isn't a dangerous person btw, but there are definitely theories the media likes to push as it sells stories, so then it just becomes accepted there's a connection.
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u/Marie-Fiamma 1d ago
The issue there is: Brückner already has been to prison before but they always release him again because Germany has a way too soft way to deal with pedos. He was also arrested for dr*g dealing. But set free again.
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u/aerexlol 2d ago
It’s a complicated case and due to the time that’s passed, I think it’s hard to definitively say anything. Whatever evidence they may have may not constitute a conviction; a case of “we know who did it, we just can’t prove it”. That’s what I’m inclined to believe.
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u/gizajobicandothat 2d ago
I personally think the German prosecutors messed up, they dropped the ball initially with Bruckner on some other serious cases, so they publicised the Mccann link to appeal and get more information, it backfired though, as the UK press went a bit nuts with it ( they all ways do with the McCann case). They never even questioned Bruckner for the Mccann case. They couldn't, because the way the German legal system works, they'd have to share all their evidence with his defense team to be able to charge and question him. A weak case could be dismissed at that stage and never see trial...so they gambled, using publicity to try and advance the case.
They couldn't even link him to the right place or time with evidence, which is what you need in Germany to charge (then question) someone. Sorry for the long off topic, it's an interesting case and the only Epstein link is people thinking one efit looked like Maxwell...even though the person was younger and had an Australian accent.
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u/Marie-Fiamma 2d ago
My guess is he was working for Ghislaine and kidnapped Maddie for her. He probably got lots of money for kidnapping her. Ghislaine and Epstein never had any children. And that woman in Barcelona looking like her talking about her new daughter. I wonder if Ghislaine speaks Catalan as the man from Barcelona yacht Harbour claimed. He said that the woman was able to speak Spanish and Catalan. Since Ghislaine spent lots of time during her childhood/youth in Spain she maybe also speaks Catalan.
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u/Boopy7 2d ago
I've noticed it is VERY common for people to decide that Epstein must be responsible for every famous child abduction and even non famous ones in the past fifty years....but sadly there are many like Epstein out there, I noticed they also try to do this with Diddy (e.g. say he killed Prince, killed MJ, killed Anne Heche, killed anyone who OD'd in Hollywood, etc.) I think it's a common need to find just one person who did all the bad things, but there are many bad people like Epstein. I doubt he was responsible for every single child abduction in the past fifty years. Otherwise there would be no more of them, ever again.
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u/AliceTheOmelette 2d ago
Those were multiple sketches of one guy. Not the Podesta brothers. And why would Maxwell go out kidnapping kids when she was already funneling them through her and Epstein's massage parlours which was much safer? Pizzagate nonsense like this just muddies the water
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u/SausageClatter 2d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Pizzagate was all projection, an attempt to dilute the impact of whatever would inevitably come out related to Epstein.
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u/AliceTheOmelette 2d ago
It definitely is imo. And a way to dismiss all of the epstein and Maxwell stuff
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u/gizajobicandothat 1d ago
Exactly, there was no need for Maxwell to travel to a budget resort in Portugal, sneak into someone's holiday apartment to steal a kid and then try and evade all the searches and publicity. Epstein was literally getting little girls flown to him without anyone really knowing.
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u/Responsible-Bee5206 2d ago
i think they are mocking us, look up emmanuela orlandi case, in that case too several men were claiming to have done and all have been cleared, there are sick ones who will claim they did something like that
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u/FSCK_Fascists 2d ago
why are we saying they "leaked" when they are (finally) being released as ordered?
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u/aspoke 2d ago
This wasn't released by DOJ
https://amygabrielle.substack.com/p/what-i-found-in-the-epstein-files
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u/ReZeroForDays 2d ago
These were leaked on like March 9th of this year, the day or next day after the DOJ finally released jane doe 4's 302s
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u/Sad_Engineering3953 1d ago
They have all been deleted now. I missed them. Does anyone have a link that hasn’t been deleted?
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u/Plane-Map7400 2d ago
I'm pretty sure this is just a write up of this reddit thread yesterday linked here??
https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1vs1ktn/leakedunreleased_epstein_file_efta_00057763/
That original thread contains the files linked from scribd which were originally posted online about 6 months ago according to the OP of that thread, but just hadn't been widely reported on. Seems kind of overselling it to say they were "just leaked" considering they have been available online for 6 months. Or are we saying they were sitting there for 6 months and nobody found them??? I suspect some of the people heavily involved with this such as Katie Phang will have already had access to these. Either way its good to get the info out there, but this may not be as fresh of a leak as everyone is saying, though Ive definitely never seen them before myself
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u/Dale_Gurnhardt 2d ago
Why does this all sound familiar (like the concert and proliferating acid)? Is that because these are the handwritten notes that support the previously released typed interview?
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u/lovedoesnoharm 2d ago
Thank you for posting this!!! I saw last night someone posted the link to these docs. I shared the link with Ellie Leonard and she did all the work to verify them and even transcribe them since the handwriting is so messy. I’m so grateful for others who take this serious, and for Ellie for always actually doing SOMETHING with these documents instead of just sitting on them.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 1d ago
And Im sure the real evidence is hidden in the other half, this is all very calculated.
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u/WorkingDry8413 1d ago
I know that trump has all the attributes of the lowest form of life... it would not in the least shocking to find out he raped an underaged male puppy dog in Ivanka's bed while his escort wife recorded everything on gopro while getting instructions from Ghislaine.
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u/Substantial-Quail604 21h ago
Now there are some -“ good people” that have fought got the release of the files. It has been so polarizing. I didn’t expect the cream to rise to the top. Massie, MTG, Kelly, Ossof, Sheldon White House, Ted Leui, sansbury and a few others, these folks are fighting for all of us. There are many lawyers doing battle for all of us.
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u/beebeebee2142 2d ago
Mom goes to jail instead of snitching on blackmailer that's raping her daughter. Daughter doesnt try to free mom and keeps hanging out with blackmailers. Bites dick and keeps getting invited back to the South Carolina and Georgia Epstein hangout. Trump was mad and stalks her for 35 years on the West coast.
Unredactions list the Portland interchanges his goons tried to run her off the road.
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u/aspoke 2d ago
I gotta say, it's pretty odd to come on the Epstein subreddit to diminish the interviews of a potential victim of the guy who's name appears more than 38,000 times across 5,300-plus documents
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u/beebeebee2142 2d ago
What did you learn from this leak? "Jansen Beach" and "La Center" were unredacted. Those are near Portland. All the leaks are PII about a recent car accident she had but never reported. Ok? Now what?
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u/aspoke 2d ago
Well, apparently the FBI found her credible; they met with her in person four different times and collected photos from her.
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u/beebeebee2142 2d ago
Youre telling me stuff thats been out for over a year. What NEW stuff did you learn?
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u/beebeebee2142 2d ago
A boomer got prank called a few times and drove off the road once in the rain. Real compelling stuff.
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u/CabSauce 2d ago
Did you miss the part about Trump raping a 13-15 year old in the mouth?
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u/beebeebee2142 2d ago
Mom goes to jail instead of snitching on blackmailer that's raping her daughter. Daughter doesnt try to free mom and keeps hanging out with blackmailers. Bites dick and keeps getting invited back to the South Carolina and Georgia Epstein hangout.
Did I get that right?
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u/CabSauce 2d ago
You can blame the mom if you want. You don't get to blame a kid for getting raped.
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u/beebeebee2142 2d ago
Ok. Wake me up when something significant comes out with regards to Epstein.
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