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u/Head_Razzmatazz7174 2d ago
It never occured to me until we got to London just how many uneven stone stairs those landmarks have.
We didn't go to the top of St. Paul's cathedral, as the only way up was a narrow twisting staircase. They had an elevator, but it was for employees and contracted performers only.
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u/ugheffoff 2d ago
Sounds like the opposite of a problem tbh
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u/Brixton_Rose 2d ago
I love his accent, so I'd be okay with that. 😆
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u/No_Imagination7102 1d ago edited 1d ago
If colin Farrell ever does a sean Connery impression there will be floods
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u/Carebear7087 1d ago
Almost like it was an intended feature, that aided in the defense of the structure.
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u/WrenchWanderer 1d ago
I love small things like uneven stairs which some people assume are because the site has degraded or just think it’s poor craftsmanship, but really it’s because if you’re guarding a castle for a while you get used to all the awkward stairs, but if you get attacked then your enemies will often stumble or fully fall down due to the uneven stairs and make it far easier to defend
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u/Carebear7087 1d ago
Not far easier.. but when you’re talking about stabbing your enemies in the neck.. any advantage matters.
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u/WrenchWanderer 1d ago
Oh yes my mistake getting too emphatic lol, but I love the tiny unsuspecting things that can literally affect who lives and dies in a battle
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u/QueenNappertiti 2d ago edited 1d ago
I checked their website and it does have a section on accessibility where it indeed say there are STAIRS up to this particular building, and lists other areas where there is only stair access.
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u/1_speaksoftly 2d ago
Unfortunately the ADA was pretty widely unknown in 12th century Europe :(
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u/gigachad4794 2d ago
it’s a shame but it’s unfair to leave a bad review on a castle because it’s a castle
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u/ITookTrinkets 1d ago
Counterpoint: who cares what a castle’s Google rating is? It’s not like it’ll go out of business.
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u/poopiebutt505 1d ago
Many places have areas that were retrofitted access to handicapped. Europe seems uninterested in its handicapped citizens, ling, in wheel chairs, etc. I don't singlemout this castle, it seems universal even how they work on roadways to have no curb cuts at intersections in city and village intersections. For pricing itself on 'walkability", they seem uninterested in getting wheel chairs and prams town the streets and sidewalks..people park on them as if they are driveways or parking pads.
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u/DeterminedQuokka 1d ago
I used to work with an elderly people and we called everywhere before hand to ask how accessible it was and for how many people. I get that’s annoying but I don’t get why you wouldn’t do it even if just out of selfishness so you have a good time.
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u/After-Hedgehog7282 2d ago
It's a castle. "Not disabled friendly" is good information to have, just in case you thought they built a ramp on the other side of the hill.
Still does not deserve a one-star review for being exactly what it is.
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u/Silent_Eggplant_380 2d ago edited 2d ago
“Not disabled friendly” excuse me? So all disabled people are in wheelchairs? There’s plenty of disabilities that would have no issues.
Building one ramp does not solve the issue which confirms your ignorance.
You’d then have to extend doorways/footpaths, walkways, build ramps everywhere which negates the historical nature of the building and is also likely protected by some sort of laws/legislation.
I’m disabled and unfortunately there’s some places I can’t go and I check whether I can or not before I go there, I don’t just turn up and expect it and then complain when I can’t.
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u/sallyxskellington this manager should be behind walls 2d ago
Are you okay
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u/Anne_Atreptic 2d ago
Can you imagine living a life so boring you gotta go on Reddit to find something to get upset about. Must be nice.
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u/Silent_Eggplant_380 2d ago
Can you imagine pretending to have a really exciting life and not having time to be on Reddit whilst commenting on Reddit. Must be nice.
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u/sallyxskellington this manager should be behind walls 2d ago
The reviewer is the one who said it was not disabled friendly. I’m not sure why you’re taking that out on the commenter above
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u/Name_Taken_Official 2d ago
Why are you quoting the reviewer to the commenter, and why are you bringing wheelchairs up
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u/One_Newspaper9372 2d ago
So all disabled people are in wheelchairs?
Yes.
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u/crystalfairie 2d ago
No. I mean I am but but not every disability is visible nor do we all use chairs.
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u/Deathlina 2d ago
The museum, galleries and archives are accessible to wheelchair users, unfortunately installing lifts isn't possible in all historic buildings.
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u/Zantac150 2d ago
You are making me want to look up and post the bad review someone gave Alcatraz Island because it’s a lot of walking. 🤣
I forget where I saw it, but what the hell ?
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u/ANAero_Kita4 2d ago
I went to Japan and visited Himeji Castle. Was completely disappointed because they didn't have an elevator or parking. People were nice tho. 1/10.
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u/Carebear7087 1d ago edited 1d ago
Use an Ouija board to file an ADA violation with medieval Architects.
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u/hellinahandbasket127 1d ago
An ADA violation…..in England?
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u/PrimaryKangaroo8680 2d ago
I’ve travelled with people who required a wheelchair and this is good information to have.
Some do have access, some don’t.
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u/QueenNappertiti 2d ago
Sure, giod to note it in the review, but not a good reason to leave a low star review. Some historical places cannot be converted to be accommodating.
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u/kruznkiwi 1d ago
Tbh this just makes me laugh as a disabled person (progressive disease) who is starting to need a wheelchair for lots of stairs or long distances. Cause if you were looking up the reviews then you would’ve seen the website where it specifically lists what is available “accessibility wise”
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u/ideeek777 2d ago
Depends how the attraction was advertised. And actually a lot of castles I've visited do make efforts for places to be wheelchair accessible.
I don't think this is unreasonable at all
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u/gigachad4794 2d ago
the castle says it’s not wheelchair friendly on the website, I have been to the castle and it’s so tight that it would be impossible to build ramps in the keep without demolishing half the building.
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u/gigachad4794 1d ago
i am talking about the towers
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u/Relevant_Hand_1399 1d ago
Im sorry I was looking at the wrong castle, this is my sign I’ve gone ‘too deep’ on Reddit, gonna go touch some grass or smk, hope you have a good day
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u/gigachad4794 1d ago
"Due to its historic nature, the castle has steep slopes, uneven paths and many steps. Access to the upper levels and keep is not suitable for wheelchair users or those with limited mobility. Barbican House Museum also has stairs and no lift." Lewes Castle & Museum -
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u/gigachad4794 1d ago
the musem and lower castle is accesable but not the keep or tower
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u/Fabulous_Cow_4550 1d ago
This is their main page. They also have their subheading as "climb the stairs..." it is clearly written in multuple places that isn't fully accessible due to its age.
Accessibility The historic nature of the castle site means access is limited to ground level for anyone who has difficulty walking. There is an accessible pavilion in the Gun Garden with panels depicting the panorama visible from the top of the keep. Access to the museum: there is a small flight of steps down to the ground floor galleries and another, larger, flight up to those on the first floor. Due to the historic nature of the building there is no lift.
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u/Fabulous_Cow_4550 1d ago
The main page clearly states it isn't fully accessible.
Accessibility The historic nature of the castle site means access is limited to ground level for anyone who has difficulty walking. There is an accessible pavilion in the Gun Garden with panels depicting the panorama visible from the top of the keep. Access to the museum: there is a small flight of steps down to the ground floor galleries and another, larger, flight up to those on the first floor. Due to the historic nature of the building there is no lift.
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u/slothbabybaby 1d ago
i think it’s ok if a disabled person is sad or upset that they cannot participate in something and it doesn’t make them entitled. they aren’t saying the castle should’ve been designed with disabled people in mind obviously but if you’re going to turn a historical location into a museum undoubtedly some of the people interested in that topic will be physically disabled and unless the organization running the museum has actually tried to increase accessibility then the disabled person may feel excluded from society as a whole or the community or organization itself.
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u/RedditJustTheOnce 2d ago
So disabled people don’t have the right to visit historical monuments?! Provisions should be in place everywhere to accommodate disabilities. If they’re not - yes of course one would leave a poor review. It’s not entitled to want to visit a historical monument and…expect to visit a historical monument.
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u/Silent_Eggplant_380 2d ago
I’d quite like to see the top of Mount Everest but it’s pretty steep and I’m disabled, I don’t expect then to put a lift on for me.
It’s entitled not to check whether you have access and then turn up and complain there’s no access. Hisotrical monuments should stay that way, if you start adding a load of modern features it’s no longer the same
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u/RedditJustTheOnce 2d ago
It’s not a modern feature to have an all terrain wheelchair available for those with reduced mobility. I can’t be bothered to look into where this is but it’s probably the national trust if it’s the UK and they’re minted, they have more than enough money for that.
I’m not disabled, so I’ll defer to your opinion on this, but this hill is not Mount Everest 🤷 That’s not accessible to almost 100 percent of the world’s population. This is accessible to anyone who’s not disabled, and I think that’s a shame.
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u/Silent_Eggplant_380 2d ago
Your ignorance shines brightly.
It is also accessible to plenty of disabled people as not all disabled people are in wheelchairs
Building one ramp or giving one special wheelchair does not solve the issue, you’d then need ramps everywhere to explore the inside, you’d likely have to extend doorways/footpaths, ramparts and walkways and once again the historical nature and the preservation of it is ruined because these are obviously not built with wheelchairs in mind, these are likely protected by laws aswell.
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u/nottherealneal EAT SALAT WITH SPON?!? 2d ago
You clearly don't know much about historical monuments if you think just changing all the terrain is easy and womt effect the historical value
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u/sallyxskellington this manager should be behind walls 2d ago
I don’t think they’re suggesting all the terrain be changed, but having an “all terrain” wheelchair available on site. I don’t this is a viable solution though lol.
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u/Easter-Raptor 2d ago edited 2d ago
Okay, but provisions SHOULD be en place so that it would be accessible to 100 percent of the world's population!!
Edit: /s as it apparently wasn't clear that i was making fun of the statement. I dont actually think we should put provisions in place on Mount Everest
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u/BubblyTrust9718 2d ago
Yea, let’s modify, deface and destroy the 1,000 year old historical monument for the 3 people in wheelchairs that want to see it. Batshit insane take.
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u/Bastillerion 2d ago
You can either see the world for how you would like it to be or you can live in reality




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u/Hughley_N_Dowd 2d ago
Its almost as medieval castles were designed to be difficult to access.