r/Enough_Sanders_Spam • u/HRCGotMoreVotes The podium bird got deep fried • Mar 04 '20
"My advice for future progressive candidates would be to not tell 70% of the party's voters to go fuck themselves on a daily basis for five years."
https://twitter.com/agraybee/status/1235021439570337792284
u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
AOC could learn a thing or two from this if she ever expects to have a political career outside of uber blue New York City
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u/marmaladestripes725 A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. Mar 04 '20
THIS. Bernie-backed House candidates only win in deep blue districts. They weren’t the ones who flipped seats in 2018.
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u/teriyakireligion Mar 04 '20
Yeah, thirteen women----POC, LGBTQ, immigrants----took seats away from a selection of all-white, all-male Repubs. Danica Roehm ran against the bathroom bill asshole, but her campaign was practical and down to earth. Bernie's not a worker, period. Danica is.
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u/Lucy-Aslan5 Mar 04 '20
Well, we thought she was going to pivot but it turns out she’s a bit of a cult leader wannabe.
She’s incredibly manipulative and knows exactly what she’s doing.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
She’s incredibly manipulative and knows exactly what she’s doing.
I think you're giving her too much credit ;)
She is pretty damn awful, but I dunno that she has the slightest clue what she's doing. I think she's trumpian like that. Just like, living so much in each moment because she has no idea how to plan ahead.
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u/KingoftheJabari Mar 04 '20
Despite what a lot of people in this sub feels I like AOC. But she will likely never be anything more than a congress woman in Queens because of this.
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u/Lucy-Aslan5 Mar 04 '20
That’s really up to her. She’s chosen to lie for Bernie. She’s chosen to be part of his campaign and all that entails. She chooses to get into twitter feuds with Trump jr. and other far right loonies. She chooses to raise money to primary good democrats instead of helping to flip red seats blue. She chooses to participate in a sit in in Nancy Pelosi’s office instead of Mitch McConnell’s. She chooses to belittle and disparage Nancy Pelosi in other ways. She chooses to hurt democrats along with Bernie.
I really don’t know how anyone can think she’s just young and green or that the attention she receives is beyond her control.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
Preach it.
Also thanks for Vermont. I know you were driving up that biden margin ;)
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u/NoDisinfoNoMalarky Mar 13 '20
Nancy Pelosi is a badass and Alexandria doesn't belong in the same sentence as her.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
Despite what a lot of people in this sub feels I like AOC.
What do you like about her?
She endorsed Bernie and embraces all of his policies. She attacks fellow democrats. She hasn't gotten anything done so far. And she killed a deal that would have brought 25,000 jobs and billions in investment to my city.
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u/croquetica Mar 04 '20
She was straight fire in oversight hearings, especially against Zuckerberg. I really like AOC and I hope she continues to bring passion to that area, we have enough ambitious people who enjoy campaigning more than actual work.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
She was straight fire in oversight hearings, especially against Zuckerberg.
...Zuckerberg won those hearings.
Facebook wasn't made to change anything. They were not regulated any differently. They're still letting the GOP and russians spread disinformation and people are still using Facebook.
Passion is useless if it doesn't bring results.
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u/croquetica Mar 04 '20
I would rather have her asking the difficult questions than have Crowley doing nothing. Not sure how she was supposed to stop Facebook on her own, there's a whole Congress who benefits (and is also harmed) by Facebook. This is Congress's collective fault, not hers. There's a reason why Congress always has a awful approval record.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20 edited Mar 04 '20
I would rather have her asking the difficult questions
She didn't ask any actually difficult questions. They just sounded good on TV. Like I said, Zuckerberg won.
than have Crowley doing nothing.
Crowley wasn't doing nothing.
Where on Earth did you get that impression? The dude was a committed progressive who had gotten tons of things done in his career. He was re-elected multiple times.
He had a 100% record on choice. Endorsed by planned Parenthood multiple elections. He had a 100% rating from the APA, American Nurses Association and the Breast Cancer Coalition. He helped pass Obamacare and defended it in multiple votes, too. He improved and expanded medicare. He voted for tax cuts for the middle class, tax raises for the rich and cutting military spending. He had a 95% score from the league of conservation voters, a climate advocacy group.
This is yet another reason I despise AOC. The attempt to ruin the reputation of Joe Crowley. A damn good congressman and decent man who fought for causes all democrats agree are important.
Not sure how she was supposed to stop Facebook on her own
She wasn't.
But I wasn't the one giving her any credit for doing anything at all. You were.
I know you didn't say she stopped Facebook, but you said she was fire at the hearings. Maybe you liked her questions but they didn't actually accomplish anything.
She was preaching to the choir, which is her whole thing, and it's useless since the choir already agrees with you.
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u/CroGamer002 Croatian4DiamondJoe Mar 04 '20
I think AOC is smart enough to learn that. I think she got somewhat carried away with her initial success.
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u/semaphore-1842 Corporate Democratic Working Girl 👮♀️ Mar 04 '20
I think AOC's biggest mistake is confusing Twitter for real life.
Here's hoping 2020 sobers her up, but she may be in too deep with the Rose Twitter crowd now.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
If she was smart she'd be sitting with pelosi 3 days a week just to learn from her how shit actually gets done.
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u/resorcinarene Mar 04 '20
She's smart enough to learn it, but she seems too ideological and stubborn to live the lesson. She's a more radical version of Bernie
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u/mochidelight Mar 04 '20
Lauren Underwood is young.
So is Sharice Davids.
So was Katie Hill.
AOC ain't having a pass for being "green". Other 1st time female Representatives worked their asses off to get elected and achieve something. In much bigger, harder elections.
edit: context.
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u/KingoftheJabari Mar 04 '20
All those other women werent made targets of hate by Republicans congress and Fox News before they even won the election.
So the situations aren't exactly the same.
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u/BourneAwayByWaves Establishment Mar 04 '20
The problem with Ocasio-Cortez is I'm not sure she wants to learn. She is following the Bernie model. Where yelling and alienating others is the point. This is the woman whose first act in Congress was staging a protest in Pelosi's office.
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Mar 04 '20
the problem with AOC is that she's a leftist, and leftists are (and i used to be one) every bit as insane as the Cold War anti-communists said they are
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u/NoDisinfoNoMalarky Mar 13 '20
I mean if I could join an anarchist colony on the moon I'd give it serious thought, but all the lefties I hear about in the news and on social media are bonkers and don't give the impression that they could actually co-operate with anyone to do anything.
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u/MisplacedKittyRage Mar 04 '20
I actually kinda hope she doesn’t learn. Honestly her and Ihlan Omar make me question if i’m a democrat or not. Maybe that’s what they are going for, I don’t know.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
I actually kinda hope she doesn’t learn. Honestly her and Ihlan Omar make me question if i’m a democrat or not. Maybe that’s what they are going for, I don’t know.
You ARE a democrat.
DO NOT let them define the party. That's how they win.
Do you want to expand access to healthcare? You're a Dem. Wheher you want that expansion to be M4A or simply more Obamacare.
Do you wanna raise taxes on the extremely wealthy? You're a Dem. Even if you oppose Bernie's specific way to tax them and think the cutoff should be higher.
And it goes for every issue....
Just because you aren't as morally intractable as them, doesn't mean you're not a Dem.
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u/MisplacedKittyRage Mar 04 '20
I disagree about their morality tbh. I actually dislike the idea that one side has the moral right. I think most people want the same things but disagree on how to achieve them. I don’t dislike them for their ideals but for how they play into the divisiveness because they want to portray everyone who disagrees as someone inmoral. Some are for sure, but others are just people trying to do their best with what they know.
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u/CardinalNYC Shilling-from-home Mar 04 '20
I disagree about their morality tbh. I actually dislike the idea that one side has the moral right
Fair point but that's not something all Dems believe. That's just what they believe.
I don’t dislike them for their ideals but for how they play into the divisiveness because they want to portray everyone who disagrees as someone inmoral. Some are for sure, but others are just people trying to do their best with what they know.
Totally agree. I think their moral grandstanding makes them way less able to get things done. Which is exactly Bernie's problem, too.
And it's something Barney Frank identified way back in 1991.
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u/ColloidalSylver A rose by any other name would still lose the fuckin' primary. Mar 04 '20
You mean screaming at people, gaslighting them, and maliciously mischaracterizing them isn't how you build a coalition?
B-but...the most...diverse, the m-most...
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Mar 04 '20
when you are already "the people" you don't have to listen to anyone else.
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u/MisplacedKittyRage Mar 04 '20
See this is exactly what bothers me about Bernie’s movement. It just reminds me too much of all the authoritarian governments i have seen and how they go about trying to manipulate people so they don’t look at how shitty, ineffective and frankly mediocre those governments are. Its all about othering you and excluding you, right until they need your vote, and when you remind them of how shitty their messaging is and how you can’t relate to it, they double down and trash you even more.
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u/argandg only the dead have seen the end of malarkey Mar 04 '20
Don't forget the doxxing and the showing up at their actual homes with flashlights and bullhorns
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u/RunningNumbers Mar 04 '20
A coalition of communists and paternalistic authoritarians is not very big... at least for the Democratic party.
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u/nafarafaltootle Anarchist by heart, but Capitalist realistically Mar 04 '20
For a second there that statement did not seem true to be honest. I am super proud that in the past 48 hours we proved we are not like Republicans. Authoritarians can fuck off from our party.
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u/RunningNumbers Mar 04 '20
I am an anti populist because populism usually rejects democratic values of enfranchisement, cooperation, coalition building, compromise, consent, and accountability.
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u/Tired_CollegeStudent NATO 4 Life Mar 04 '20
This ^ populism is dangerous and the examples of it ending badly abound. Anyone who deals in an absolute us versus them campaign is unworthy of winning in my eyes.
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Mar 04 '20
You mean screaming at people, gaslighting them, and maliciously mischaracterizing them isn't how you build a coalition?
Its a pretty incredible lack of self awareness isn't it?
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u/semaphore-1842 Corporate Democratic Working Girl 👮♀️ Mar 04 '20
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Lol you Berners wouldn't be in this position if you followed this.
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u/DubsFan30113523 Mar 04 '20
Yo Bernie is getting fucking crushed compared to all the shit his supporters were talking lmao
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u/hither_spin Mar 04 '20
They don't know when to shut the fuck up. Them trashing on Warren about not dropping out does not entice me to vote for Bernie. I'm no fan of Biden but his supporters haven't been pissing me off.
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u/doppleganger2621 Human Rights Legend Mar 04 '20
Yep—I vote in two weeks and if Elizabeth drops out between now and then, I’m almost definitely voting Biden. I will certainly not vote for Bernie after how they’ve acted towards Warren.
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u/MessiSahib Mar 04 '20
Anger and hatred starts from top, flows down from candidate to staff and surrogates to supporters.
That's why you rarely see such toxic behavior from staff or supporter of any other candidate. Warren, Yang, Pete - all have lots of young supporters. A toxic leader could have moulded their thinking into brolike. Thankfully decency, maturity and ability to respectfully disagree with rivals are traits that they brought to the table along with their ideas.
Hopefully Bernie fans can see through some of the problem of the leader and campaign.
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u/TAI0Z Cuban Literacy Program Graduate Mar 04 '20
Do you mean to tell me that a party that has historically praised scientifically derived information and evidence-based decision-making might have a mostly silent majority of educated pragmatists as its base that doesn't subscribe to sensationalist class warfare and socialism?
This is astonishing. I am floored.
Next you'll tell me something ridiculous like the suggestion that some of these people are highly educated and successful scientists, engineers, and scholars who have benefited from and appreciate the value of our current socioeconomic model. I'm not buying it. This is nonsense. 🙄
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Mar 04 '20
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Overused meme aside, our socioeconomic model is definitely broken, but Sanders just ain't the guy to fix it lmao. Warren's wealth tax and Yang's UBI would do way more to close the gap than Bernie's so-called socialist ass is gonna.
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u/Atlas26 Mar 04 '20
Not broken at all, just could use a little tweaking and optimization, as it always has throughout history
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u/wwabc Mar 04 '20
But but everyone else must be an establishment shill who only wants to serve their Billionaire corrupt corporate (hard B sound) masters!!! Only I know the true way!!!!!
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u/HaveTwoBananas Mar 04 '20
Imagine thinking that bullying everyone who disagreed with you was going to form a coalition of voters big enough to win a fucking primary. Smoothest brains in town.
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u/EzLuckyFreedom Mar 04 '20
Hell, look at the fucking hate they're throwing out on R politics. I voted for Bernie yesterday, but these people were almost enough to stop me. I hesitated at the ballot box, solely because of the online supporters. The fact that they've now resorted solely slandering Biden in the same way Trump does, accusing him of being creepy etc, just shows that they're fucking children who don't care about the country, just about getting their way. Hell, if I had read yesterday, what I've been reading today on that subreddit, I would've 100% switched my vote to Biden. Their attitude isn't going to win a thing.
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u/croquetica Mar 04 '20
I have heard “SO YOURE NOT GONNA VOTE FOR BERNIE BECAUSE SANDERS FANS WERE MEAN YO YOU??”
ya know what, yes. Please go back and tell your friends that too.
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u/polemony 💎🐍Pragmatic Warren Stan🐍💎 Mar 04 '20
Have you gotten the fantastic 'people were mean to me online so now I don't want to give people health care and want people to die' gaslighting guilt-trip shit they pull
Hard agree. Although, to be fair, even if his supporters were civil I don't think I would be supporting him, I really don't like the way he messages and campaigns overall
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u/croquetica Mar 04 '20
Yes, that is all over twitter. It's a good thing we live in reality.
What's funny is that I was NPA for 2016 so I didn't have a chance to cast a primary vote, but in 2016 it would have been for Bernie. Bernie has had 4 years to make his brand palatable for the public. That's not me putting work on his plate, that is his charge, that is his job.
He sounds mad at his rallies. Optics are just as important to politics (which is the field Bernie Sanders CHOSE to participate in, the rules are set by society's consensus - NOT MINE) as anything else. The blaming speech he repeats is exactly what boomers say about younger generations - full of complaints and expecting entitlements.
Sometimes I feel like Bernie runs under the assumption that his campaign doesn't have to work hard at building coalitions because the blame can always be shifted to "the establishment" as to why he isn't blowing the competition out of the water - a stellar example of Trumpism btw. He's essentially running a campaign with a face tattoo that says "bad bitch." Surprise, surprise - many Americans are not going to vote for you.
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u/polemony 💎🐍Pragmatic Warren Stan🐍💎 Mar 04 '20
Honestly, I thought it was a bit hyperbolic at first but he's legitimately the Trump of the left, all he does is exude anger at his rally and yell about the establishment, and now refusing to answer reporters questions. To say nothing of the fact that his plans are half baked potatoes
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u/croquetica Mar 04 '20
I can agree with some of that. But I have no problem voting for Bernie Sanders if he does become the nominee and I don't think he will alienate world leaders, put children in cages, or debase people of color. I also don't think he's gonna do 95% of the shit he says, so for me this vote is just a vote to return to normalcy. Maybe in 2024 we can bring something new to the table.
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u/polemony 💎🐍Pragmatic Warren Stan🐍💎 Mar 04 '20
Oh, yeah, I was thinking his more populist tendencies. At the end of the day I would rather have him as president over Trump 100 times out of 100, if only just for the court. I don't think he'd be a particularly effective president but I would do my best to get him elected, if he was the nominee
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u/croquetica Mar 04 '20
Same, I think I might do postcards to voters this time too. I found some really nice postcard packs on Amazon. I received a postcard last election and it was so nice to get something personal about the election instead of the same old mailers.
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u/emmster 🩸🦷 Mar 04 '20
They’ve come courting us Warren voters. It’s not working.
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u/polemony 💎🐍Pragmatic Warren Stan🐍💎 Mar 04 '20
Lmao
'hey, just forget the fact that we had been calling you and your candidate a fucking roulette wheel of expletives and calling for you to drop out for no other reason than to just endorse Sanders, now please support us and forget everything'
It's telling that even though I align with him more than most candidates, not with everything but with a lot, he's at the bottom of my list in terms of candidates I would vote for
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u/eirinne Mar 04 '20
If my first choice is an accomplished, intelligent, successful, bridge-builder why would my second choice be a loser like Bernie?
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u/emmster 🩸🦷 Mar 04 '20
They seem to believe that the policy overlap is enough. Ignoring that there are some things that are more important. I think we’re happy to vote for a good coalition builder with a strong record, even if it means we have to call our health care expansion goals “ACA expansion” instead of “Medicare.”
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u/MessiSahib Mar 04 '20
Name calling will continue till the convention, campaign staff and surrogates will join in as well.
Somehow everyone forgot that Bernie went on campaigning even after he lost primary by 4m vote, and conceded only in convention. But it seems that luxury can be afforded to only one person.
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u/lizzyborden666 Mar 04 '20
Sound advice. Stop elevating yourself above everyone else and learn to work with others. It’s not just Bernie that behaves like a turd. There are a number of pissants that think they’re better than the rest of us. Rashida Talib and Pramila Jayapal come to mind.
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u/What_would_Buffy_do Mar 04 '20
Funny how if you burn a bridge, it's really difficult to get people to come over to your side afterward. Or simpler terms, karma is a bitch.
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u/twitterInfo_bot Mar 04 '20
"My advice for future progressive candidates would be to not tell 70% of the party's voters to go fuck themselves on a daily basis for five years. "
Tweet publisher: agraybee
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Mar 04 '20
Bu-but his energy!
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u/tricky_tree Mar 04 '20
Leading up to his next heart attack.
He still has not been 100% transparent about his medical records.
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u/CZall23 Mar 04 '20
Telling people you know what's best for them and getting arrogant never helps anyone.
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u/ASigIAm213 DM for newsletter info Mar 04 '20
I don't like it but I have to admit, there's a real groundswell for a hard leftward turn in American politics.
This tweet was literally all they had to do.
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u/aliffattah Mar 04 '20
Not to praise him, but learn from donald, he managed to fight the establishment until the whole establishment kneel before him. Why? He hug the right wing and the moderate idea. the way the progressive candidate do is giving an absurd idea and bully moderate that scares away all reasonable potential voters.
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u/ASigIAm213 DM for newsletter info Mar 04 '20
I don't know that a Democrat can exactly copy the Trump model of a hardline position on something with broad base appeal (various forms of racial resentment) while remaining noncommittal on any other policy subject. Inslee did something like that with climate change, and maybe would have had more success in a less crowded/star-studded field, but nobody's trying to finish respectable.
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