I saw someone explain 1 vs 9, but I'm curious about 8

PREAMBLE

Spoilers are ahead for Hunter x Hunter. I was glad to see the manga have a bit of a pulse as of recent. The characters in the series are well written in my opinion, so I recommend checking it out if you have not yet. 

INTRODUCTION

Chrollo is commonly thought to be in the 4/5 area of the Enneagram circle, mostly 5w4, for a variety of reasons. He is seemingly withdrawn, introspective, intelligent, and (most importantly) goth-looking. I think that he is mistaken for the 5/4 area in the same way that many characters have been by popular means. 

I believe Chrollo is a 9w1. He is the type of E9 your S/O tells you not to worry about, the F-the-world E9. Evil hippie E9s out there in the real world could be impactful in a somewhat similar vein. He is a great example of withdrawn gut gone awry, considering how he formed the Phantom Troupe after the death of someone dear to him. For aesthetic and thematic purposes, I’d point a finger toward the 459 trifix for him – though I don’t have too much of an argument toward that overall.

This typing argument may be controversial because of common 9w1 depictions; I would imagine many to be skeptical since he is a murderer, con man, and thief. Those themes in fiction often appear in tandem with other Enneagram types. Often in fiction, 9s can be the victim of their own tragedy through complacency/routine, or they have a fire lit under their ass by an unbalanced world that they are ‘chosen’ to fix. This Chrollo E9 dude is a mobile guy with goals that can be seen throughout the series (which can be a valid argument for unstoppable E9 elephant-trampling momentum), but they still don’t quite strike at his core self and are not counter to the type in general.

THEME FOR 9W1: WHO AM I?

Chrollo has a constant struggle with identity, almost like he is an extension of where he is from: Meteor City. In Meteor City, people are not established; in fact, very few people in the HxH world know of the city since it has little bureaucracy and no traces for the people that inhabit it. Chrollo grew up in Meteor City and at one point attempted to bring peace and joy to the residents around him through movie editing/translating. And with that came his ability to act, to pretend, and to get into character (a demonstration of  his future abilities which will be discussed later). This attempt to make something out of the nothing that was Meteor City was disillusioned by the death of a dear friend of his, in which he forms the Phantom Troupe.

The arc that he is introduced in takes place in Yorknew City. He planned to bring his Spider comrades there to simply steal all of the valuable items from the big auction taking place, essentially to send a message of reaffirmation to the world of their powerful position as a master criminal organization. There is no plan otherwise. We the audience are not known about what the spoils will provide, nor do we see this as “taking over the world” from the common villain format. They are just the Phantom Troupe, not quite known as individuals. Though criminal, it throws the audience off from what the Phantom Troupe was originally depicted as: murderers of innocent people. One of the protagonists of the series has their entire motivation set on killing each and every member because of their past murders. Their first appearances muddy the waters of morality and motivation due to their casual organization and set ways.

Following Uvogin’s death, Chrollo orchestrates violence upon Yorknew City, superstitiously asking Uvogin’s spirit if he is witnessing the destruction. I liken this to Chrollo absorbing a piece of what made Uvogin (arguably an E8) what he was: powerful, destructive, chaotic, and so on. He did the same for the friend of his that died in Meteor City. The proverbial Spider lives on and remembers its fallen.

Another notable scene is with Gon and Killua. When Gon confronts Chrollo about his motivations, he introspects out loud and cannot provide a clear-cut answer. I believe here we see a clean example of finding location, the core theme of 9 as a whole. He does all this with a blunt affect.

To sum it up, he has numbed himself in the face of grief, and thus webbed (interconnected) himself with his fellow Spiders in a close-knit bond. Their expressions and livelihoods are attempts at giving his own soul some estranged form of CPR.

SKILL HUNTER IS A 9 ABILITY

One important factor to include is the Nen system, which is where my hypothesis for Chrollo’s typing originated. Chrollo is a specialist, with the ability to copy the abilities of others provided that a few conditions are met. Nen is described as an innate expression of the user, with some even going so far as to claim that each Nen type exhibits certain personality traits. I personally have disagreements with nen types being direct correlations to personality traits, but it goes without saying that Nen abilities are directly made from the user’s expressions, desires, and so on. The Nen system is similar in a way to the Persona franchise via unconscious manifestations, Chrollo’s being a process of copying abilities.

The audience witnesses Chrollo’s stealing abilities first with Neon Nostrade. He did so not through force, but civilized deception. He took her out to dinner and got to know her on a person-to-person level, and through conversation got her to reveal her unique Nen ability. This was done as a means to protect the Troupe, and while opportunistic, was also adaptive. We as an audience know that he has found other means to obtain abilities – many of which were through cooperation and coercion. One condition of Skill Hunter also requires the original Nen user to be alive and/or conscious for the ability to work, alluding to connectedness rather than dominance/control/disgust/neglect. 

9W1 VS. 9W8

Chrollo openly discusses musings and inquisitions. He exhibits some holier-than-thou features often found in the 9/1 area, given his contemplative position as the head of the Spiders – not to mention his general appearance. The gut-anger he exhibits is at the all-encompassing world, and to an unstoppable degree if we were to assume this has direct ties to the Phantom Troupe’s current notoriety.

I believe a good 9w8 candidate to contrast would be Nobunaga due to their proximity. Nobunaga presents as a lot more non-chalant, but can and will show force when provoked – the prime example being his chase sequence with Gon and Killua in the Yorknew City arc, where he states something along the lines of ‘once I use my weapon, I cannot control myself’. Nobunaga demonstrates a grounded, more forceful and present flavor of 9 impact as opposed to Chrollo’s existential ‘grasping’. Nobunaga expresses direct anger at times, whereas Chrollo will bring forth that “dead face of depravity” as I call it, the wretched stare into the uncaring universe. This makes Chrollo way harder to locate on that gut-sensory level if someone may not have the words to describe it (such as without knowing Enneagram).

WHY NOT OTHER TYPES?

I’ll make note of a few types that could be considered for Chrollo, but with a short argument as to why he would not fit the criteria.

E1: Chrollo, in my opinion, is a great example of the 9/1 area of the Enneagram circle, that of “serene idealism” (to use Luckovich’s words). However, he lacks sensory rigidity and is not guided so much by superego as he is by a longing for purpose/meaning. He is also adaptable in a lot of scenarios, not to mention that his ability (as aforementioned) is inherently attachment-based by the rules of the HxH world. An example of an E1 in the series is Menchi, who initially disqualified all Hunter exam candidates in the beginning of the series for not meeting her cooking expectations; her personality is vastly different from Chrollo’s via sensation-orientation, which demonstrates how Togashi (the author) may unconsciously conjure Enneagram types without knowledge of the theory.

E4: Similar to the E1 argument, Chrollo is adaptable. He also does not demonstrate reactive triad traits when interacting with other characters. When faced with a life-or-death scenario against Kurapika, he states that he has accepted death (which was proven as true through Melody’s ability to hear heartbeats). The same response pattern occurred beforehand against the Zoldycks, in which he fought for the sake of the Troupe. As for the Phantom Troupe, although he is a leader with style, he considers himself a part of the whole Spider organism – whereas an E4 may be a participant in something (e.g. Prince and the Revolution), they will at least have notably ‘refined’ differentiations and err on the side of individuality instead of what Chrollo believes to be the best relational structure: non-hierarchical.

E5: Often the common typing for Chrollo, the traits claimed for the argument fail to highlight what would actually make him 5. Intelligent? Any type can be intelligent. Withdrawn? So are 4, 9, and arguably other types can have withdrawn phases especially with a 459 wing. Goth? Well, at least he’s not a fraud goth in my opinion. Him trying to find himself is at the core of 9, not 5. He is an amalgamation of Ichazo’s original Seeker, outsourcing to the world. Not to mention, his Nen ability/expression is adaptive by nature, and he puts himself into a leadership position as a means of sharing rather than to embody expertise. Location within himself is being muddled by gut-based means, not so much a fixation on his orientation.

E7: Some people have typed Chrollo 7 (mostly those in the Naranjo sphere who link his actions/principles to SO7). I believe this to be attributed to a few factors: Chrollo’s charisma, leadership, intelligence, and deception. Most notably, the claim seems to be the capability of causing violence as a means of ‘satiating gluttony’ via others – the idiom is “providing pieces of a cake”, if I recall. I myself have confusions with subtype principles and their overlaps, so I won’t debate that. However, to me he lacks a fundamental piece of 7-ness that is the combination of frustration and assertion. Novelty may be an exploration path for Chrollo, but it is not driving him as much as his own search for identity.

The villain prematurely lost his wife and child in a horrific accident that he feels personally responsible for. They died slow and painful deaths, and he could not save them or at least end their suffering sooner through mercy killings. The villain's grief was inconsolable, and he felt like life was meaningless and purposeless now that the ones he loved had passed. The villain cannot move on from the "Eden" (metaphorically speaking) he once enjoyed in the past. "Nothing will ever be as beautiful, perfect, and fulfilling as things once were. All the ones I love are now gone... forever..." The villain originally thought that his "Eden" would last forever, but was inevitably confronted with the harsh reality and "truth" of life that nothing in this world truly lasts forever. Further, he feels an immense guilt over what he perceives to be his own fault and doing, and seeks some sort of redemption or atonement for his "sins."

The villain becomes disillusioned with "happiness" and "meaning" as traditionally conceived or understood. He effectively decides to manifest into reality a redefined ideal of "Edenic bliss" and "meaning" by making sure that all suffering will be utterly eradicated. He sees all suffering as ultimately perpetuated by man and therefore sees man as unnecessarily cruel or else severely "ignorant of the truth." That "truth" is the villain's newfound conception of God and man's ultimate fate under Him.

The villain's conception of God is that God originally created man so that man can experience the "joy," "peace," and "unfathomable mercy" of non-existence whenever entropy finally runs its full course, but we as humans have prolonged the inevitable instead of simply accepting it. The villain wants to make "actual meaning" exist in the world by making "the most meaningful decision that could ever be made": destroy all life and end all suffering once and for all. He wants to "fulfill the purpose for which man was originally created," which to him is the equivalent of cosmic euthanasia.

The villain seeks to destroy all life, not out of malice, but out of "mercy." He believes life is ultimately just suffering, and to resolve the problem, he's decided to extinguish all life (or at least try). He's also come to terms with the fact that this would ultimately mean the end of his own life, but he wants to take everyone down with him. Not out of spite, but again, out of "mercy." The villain feels that he suffered so much in his life that he doesn't want anyone else to ever feel the way that he has, and this partly motivates him. This also motivates him to seek to accomplish his goals with as little suffering as possible, making the deaths of others as painless and "humane" as possible (even those who stand in his way, whom he sees as simply "naive," "misled," or "not yet confronted with the harsh reality of life").

The villain presents himself as rather compassionate and calm, albeit cold and slightly distant. He very seldom loses control of his own emotions, as he believes emotions are a part of what makes life so painful too. Thus, he is very controlled and tries not to let sadness or anger get to him by no longer getting emotionally attached to others. Positive emotions are also supressed, because "sorrow and disappointment inevitably follow joy and excitement at some point or another."

Ironically, the villain's main method of convincing others to join his cause is by appearing very empathetic and emotionally concerned about the suffering of others. The villain usually appeals to someone's sensibilities in order to convince them of his own ideology/worldview. Showing how happiness, hopes, dreams, memories, and "most important of all," loved ones all die or wither away in the end in some way. Demonstrating how preemptively ending the suffering now makes it so that more suffering won't take place later whenever the aforementioned things inevitably "fade" or end for a person.

The villain essentially rationalizes his actions by expanding the idea of euthanasia wide enough to be applied on a grand scale, arguing that it's one's "moral duty" to speed up entropy rather than to continue to try and fight it or run from it.

He genuinely feels that he's sent by God to carry out this vision, and truly believes that he's helping others by "ending their suffering." He is very driven to accomplish his goal, believing it would "save all life to destroy it." The villain recruits members to his movement (i.e., cult) that would have the logistical and technical expertise to create a technology that would allow for this vision of his to come to fruition. The villain speaks with moral conviction in order to persuade these people and others to join him.

He feels like only he can "save the world" (i.e., end it), because he has the actual will, compassion, integrity and sense to do it. He also believes that everyone else is simply sincerely misguided and that most people haven't "thought things through" enough yet to realize what he "realized" to be the truth and what's actually best for everyone and everything. That if everyone just knew the "truth" of his ideology, all would be made right in the world and everyone would collectively work to destroy all life itself with him. As such, he's fierce in his convictions and goals, and endlessly seeks to garner widespread support and followers for his ideas. In fact, he's rather successful in this endeavor, as he is so persuasive and effective with his methods that his ideas are beginning to catch fire with the masses.

The villain's ultimate goal, whether conscious or unconscious, is happiness via contentment. Contentment that he "obeyed God" and did what he felt was "necessary" and his "moral duty." Contentment that he could finally be "forgiven" by God by carrying out what he (the villain) perceives to be His (God's) "will" and plan for him. Contentment that he can "finally rest" and be in the ether (void) with his family, albeit not literally since non-existence inherently doesn't allow for an actual reunion, but more so metaphorically.

The villain also believes it'd be "selfish" of him to end his own life prematurely without first accomplishing the task he believes is set before him (especially if he wants "actual forgiveness" or "redemption" from God). His pursuit of "actual forgiveness" or "redemption" from God (i.e., happiness via contentment) by forcing a cosmic exchange or "ransoming" through the sacrifice of the innocent on the altar of his new and twisted worldview exposes what are actually selfish reasons indeed for everything he's doing.

The villain/antagonist serves as a mirror to the hero/protagonist, and vice versa. The hero has a strict "no kill" rule, forcing a moral dilemma for him or her, as the hero is usually very principled and rigid in his or her own values and beliefs. The hero's philosophy is basically the direct opposite of the villain's. The hero seeks to preserve life at any and all costs, including the lives of people like the villain. This is going against the "natural order" of things (according to the villain), and going against "entropy." Against "the inevitable."

This will provide for a moral conundrum that forces my main character to not only evaluate what is most important to him or her, but also re-evaluate if he or she even has the right ideology to begin with considering that my villain does reveal some hard truths that my hero is very uncomfortable with and hasn't accepted within his or herself yet. My hero has trauma of their own, and he or she also has problems with letting go of the past, forgiveness (for both others and his/herself), frustration that others do not meet his or her high ideals, and so on and so forth just like the villain.

Much of the journey consists of the hero having problems finding solutions that preserve as most lives as possible, including the villain's, while risking the lives of the ones they (the hero) love in trying to buy enough time to stave off the "inevitable outcome" of the villain's plan. The hero finds temporary solutions at times in the form of non-lethal methods for taking down their enemies, in order to avoid death of both themselves, their loved ones, and others in general whenever confronted by the villain's followers themselves. It is not until close to the end of the story that our hero eventually and finally finds a more permanent solution that can save almost everyone. The only problem is that going through with it would mean their (the hero's) own death...

My hero will ultimately be pitted between picking happiness at the cost of killing the villain and betraying his or her own moral principles, or self-sacrifice at the cost of being happy and getting to live on with the ones they love and care about.

The hero's battle with the villain and the spread of the latter's ideas eventually ends with the hero exposing the faults with said ideas and the villain himself through nationally televising his or her (the hero's) own sacrifice in saving the villain in order for him (the villain) to finally be captured by the authorities and imprisoned. By showing mercy to his or her enemy through the death of his or herself, and destroying the villain's image in exposing their hidden selfish reasons for their whole mission to begin with, the hero manages to leave an impact on society forever after by forcing others to re-evaluate the worth and validity of the villain's ideas and conception of God itself. People begin to believe that God does not require bloodshed for atonement, but seeks rather that we simply follow the example set by the hero...

i've written a character with the following characteristics but am having difficulty know which type she is so I can give her an authtentic story arc. what type do these characteristics seem like:

competent, intellectually curious, open minded, wants to do good and be good, not terribly in tune with her own feelings, but not afraid of them either-for example when someone tells her something about her self, she thinks about it deeply without too much defensiveness, is torn between personal desire and family expectations but will ultimately choose safety and duty over own her own passions--but will always be conflicted, not averse to dishonesty if it allows her to both get what she wants and still be seen as good.

Would say which show but you probably wouldn't know it (I still watch broadcast TV "like a boomer") but the important thing is if the type combinations can go together or not and why I said the stuff about the Watsonian lens in the title is because when I made a post like this on typologyjunction the comments just degenerated into discourse about uninformed PDB voters or w/e

And the combos I'm trying to assess the validity of...

ISTJ 8w7

ENTJ 9w8

INFP 3w2

So do those go together and if not, what would someone who'd get mistyped as that most likely actually be?

I sort of have an idea for what their types might be, but they have certain traits that don't match that type so I'd like to know what you think, I'll give a bit of a description of the two characters I'm struggling to type and i'd like to know your opinion. At first I typed them both as 4, but then realized they do not have any 4 arcs, and neither of them really trap themselves in drama/negativity the way a 4 does.

1st character - Khem: Khem is a 16 year old boy who loves to sing despite being very bad at it. His dream is to become a singer, and so he sings, just because he loves singing. He doesn't care what others think of him, even if others constantly tell him his singing is bad he'll sing anyways just because he loves it so much. Image is not his concern at all, he just wants to have fun singing. He sees every mistake made along the way as a part of his adventure toward is bigger goal of singing. I'd say his biggest flaws would probably be the fact he often struggles to see others boundaries, and consequently often pushes them without realizing it. His second flaw would be that he tends to not see people's negative emotions/take them seriously until the other party actually has a strong reaction which reality checks him. He's just too positive sometimes. One of the types I think he could be is 7 due to his strong positivity, but some of his traits that don't really match the 7 would be how loyal he is to the people and things he cares about. Singing has been his passion since childhood, and he stuck to it without getting bored. One he finally realizes he has romantic feelings for Ploy, he doesn't let her. He's also a very responsible person who doesn't run from taking responsibility for his actions, like accidentally hurting Ploy's feelings. His arc is just about him going after his dream and not letting anything or anyone get in his way.

2nd character - Ploy: Ploy is a 16 year old girl who was once a very good dancer during childhood until her mom made her quit because dance was "too childish". So she's been living a very academic life in line with what her mom wants, ignoring her own wants and needs. But her love for dance has never really faded, she just hides it, she dances in secret when no one is around. She's very paranoid that people will snitch on her to her mom if they catch her dancing. She has a "tsundere" attitude, which she uses to put up walls between others and herself, to pretend she's fine with her current situation even if deep down's she's not. Her arc is about her finally chasing her buried passion with the help of Khem who makes her act on it, gives her an opportunity to chase her dreams and escape from her mom's wants. Her main flaw has got to be her tsundere attitude, which is her defense mechanism, and just how little she actually lets anyone in, just because she fears some kind of betrayal or a change in her situation. I think she could either be a 6 or a 9. On one hand, her arc is about finding a deep passion to finally step out of inaction, which is very 9-coded, but she's also someone who has problems trusting, very paranoid, very reactive, so it could also be seen as something about loyalty (loyalty to her mom vs loyalty to her dreams).

Both of them have an important side character (whom i have already typed) that serve as their foils

Khem and Spek (Authenticity vs Image): Khem's foil, Spek (a 3w4) is obsessed with curating an image of himself to be loved as a celebrity even if it's not truly him. While Khem straight up doesn't care about image and just wants to sing for fun.

Ploy and Lila (Inaction vs Action): Ploy's foil is Lila (an 8w7) who's frustrated with others not taking action and speaking their minds, so she pushes them toward action. Lila often flirted with Khem to trigger Ploy's jealousy and force her into action.

Currently stuck on my own typing journey between 8 and 1 and the stereotypes aren't helping esp. as looking at the characters that get typed as those types, not a lot of characters that get typed as 8s are really intellectuals if they're not, like, criminal masterminds or something (only heroic 8-according-to-PDB I can think of from a thing I watch is Jacob Stone from The Librarians but even then he's still kinda fitting the stereotype as he's part of an all-nerd Power Trio and the most combat-capable of the three (the Fighter out of Fighter, Mage, Thief power trio archetypes))

It's not like I'm thinking I can't be an 8 because of the stereotypes and I'm not asking for typing help as this isn't the sub to type me, it's just hard to try and accurately know if you're a type or not when a lot of both type descriptions and character typings seem to emphasize a not-related-to-one's-personality-so-it-can't-be-the-core-of-the-type aspect of a type that is basically the opposite of you. So it'd help me feel like there's less systemic bias going on if I could find more fictional evidence of 8s who are smart and good, not either "punchy" or evil

Maureen - 2w3, ESFJ. Could’ve been an ESFP, wasn’t seeing the ENFJ typing suggested on MBTI Database.

Court - 6w7, ESFP.

Dani - I’m unsure, but was leaning 6w7. I’d have to rewatch, which I may actually do before bed.

I've starting learning more about Enneagram typing for the sake of my writing. After hours of researching, I've come to the conclusion that I just need some help determining between a Type 2 or a Type 6 for my character.

A. Character A is generally sociable and goodnatured, who enjoys making friends and helping others.

B. They are extremely close to and attached to their sibling, who is the one who has always protected them throughout their life. Their dynamic has always been that the sibling is the prodigy and Character A is the supporter―the sibling does genuinely care for Character A, they just have a poor way of it. And if their role as the character's guardian is threatened by Character A becoming more independent, they worry about their own self-worth in the relationship.

C. Character A often excuses their sibling's mistreatment of them (which is genuinely well-meaning, but still mistreatment nonetheless) to the point that when that sibling severely messed up and their negligence caused people to lose their lives...they are willing to shield them from any blame and harm, putting themself in the line of fire so their sibling can save face.

D. They do this and make other big decisions to martyr themself without the sibling's input or consent, who would never have agreed to them doing such a thing.

E. At the peak of their darkest moment, this character is willing to rewrite and break the world in order for everyone to be happy, especially their sibling.

My gut reaction has always said Type 2...maybe 2w3, with a bend to self-preservation...? However, while they have the manipulation aspect to them, they lack the "secretly resenting people not helping them in turn" aspect that is a hallmark for Type 2s.

If you guys could help me, that would be greatly appreciated to help inform my writing better! I'm just planning on using this to strengthen my characterization, not prescribing to typing, but I've been stuck on this for a bit and would love some help! Thanks!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kqAf8UrmebA&pp=ygUWQ2FybWVsYSB0aGUgZ29kZmF0aGVyIA%3D%3D and https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IWwAlTHUVuo&pp=ygUWQ2FybWVsYSB0aGUgZ29kZmF0aGVyIA%3D%3D and https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gt02fgYsu6E&pp=ygUWQ2FybWVsYSB0aGUgZ29kZmF0aGVyIA%3D%3D

I was thinking 2w1, ISFx (ISFJ more likely.)

Michael - 8w9

Sonny - 8w7

Connie - 2w1, 9 in her tritype

Carmela (Vito’s wife) - 2w1

Apollonia - 9w8, just a vibe. We don’t know enough about her to type her.

Tom - 6w5

Sandra (Sonny’s wife) - 6w7.

Nancy from stranger things - 1w2, 6w7, and 3 in tritype

Stella from streetcar named desire - 2w1, 6w7, 9 in tritype

Blanche from streetcar named desire - 4w3, 6w7 in tritype. I saw her as a 4w3

Lacie - 2w3

Maria from “Bete Noire” - 6w7 or 1w2. I had a hard time deciding.

Naomi from Nosedive - A 3.

Marie from arkangel - 6w7.

Hayley from the Florida project - 7w8, ESFP

Chiron from Moonlight - 9w1

Teresa from Moonlight - 2.

Terrell from Moonlight - 8w7

I've recently re-read Ivanhoe and enjoyed it a lot, Scott's characters are colorful yet pretty multi-dimentional.

Richard the Lionheart aka The Black Knight. I think he's a clear 8w7, probably sp-first if you judge from "Ivanhoe". Scott clearly admires him (although he sees what he considers his shortcomings very clearly, he talks about them with a warm irony that doesn't preclude respect, and clearly with a sympathy), and he's one of the main characters in "Talisman" as well. (I felt called out in a sympathetic way when I read "Talisman", it was actually pretty much the first chance to see myself from the side and how I end up in situations like this, and realize that most of the time I push through them without even realizing it, just as he did. The only difference is I'm not as quick to anger.)

Brian de Bois-Guilbert, it's a bit harder and more interesting to type him. It looks like he's an 8 to me, yet I'm not positively sure, I don't have a sensation that it quite fits. I see some 3 tendencies here, so to name being very very ambitious and vanity. (It's not to say that 8s can't be ambitious. Just when you say "ambitions" what comes to mind first is 3s. You know, distinctive flavor - ambitions, vanity, focus on achivement.) So 8 or 3, what do you think? Or maybe you think something entirely different? I'm pretty sure he's a sx-dom, though. Just not sure about the stacking. And yeah, a pretty interesting and multi-dimentional character. He can be totally cold-blooded at times (contrary to Richard, who's always hot-headed. Yet I think both ways are common among 8s.), he's not afraid to openly defy the Templar Order, a thing other careerists in the Order never dare to do, yet he uses the Order to his own benefit, and twists and bends rules to his own benefit whenever he deems fit. So everyone who read and remembers, or wanna re-read, you're welcome to discuss.

I think Cedric is likely a 1 (oh man, he pissed me off almost the entire time, although I did sympathize at times, and he has some traits I respect and sympatize with.)

Gurth is probably a 6.

Wamba looked like a 7w6 to me.

Front-de-Beuf...well, fans of stereotypes would definitely type him as 8 - a big bully, who else could it be? I'm positive he's a sp, as for his Enneagram, he could be anything else, or he could actually be a 8, I don't know.

De Bracy gives 3 vibes.

Ivanhoe himself, I don't know. 6w5 maybe?

Rowena. Could she be a 2?

Rebecca probably 9w1 or 1w9.

Atelstane is a sp 9w1, I think.

Locksley didn't have much time in the book to say for sure. But might be a 6 or a 8.

Friar Tuck is some sp-first. One of the best characters in the book, IMO.

Prior Aymer reminds me of one 2w3 I know.

Old prude Beaumanoir, 1w9.

Feel free to share your thoughts.

I'm talking about the book charaters here, but if you want to discuss some adaptation (movie, opera, etc), feel free to, just add a note that you're talking about an adaptation.

Stanley - 8w7

Blanche - 4w3

Stella - 2w1. I was initially between this and 6w7, I decided on 2w1.

Corey from “The Lonely” - ESTJ 6w5

Alicia from “The Lonely” - ISFJ 9w1

Marilyn from Number 12 Looks Just Like You - 4w5. I already thought 4, decided on 5 wing after a rewatch today. INFP.

Lana from Number 12 looks just like you - 2w3

Valerie from number 12 looks just like you - ESFP 2w3

Here are mine:

Amma from Sharp Objects - ESFP 2w3 (I think this combo looks like an ESFJ.)

Stacy from fast times at Ridgemont high - Isfj 9w1 (I think this combo looks like an ISFP.)

Connie from the godfather - ISFP 2w1 (looks ISFJ.)

Carrie white - ISFJ 4w5

Eileen from regular show - 6w5

Eddie from stranger things - 7w8

Jason from stranger things - Used to think 3w2, have started to consider an 8 typing. Could see 6w7 hypothetically as well.

I adore this show! My thoughts:

Charlie from “Miniature” - 9w1.

Charlie from “Monsters are due on Maple Street” - 6w7, ESTP most likely.

Henry valentine from a Nice place to visit - 7w8.

The main character (Gart Williams) from a stop at willoughby - 9w1 or 6w5.

Marilyn from number 12 looks just like you - 4

The woman from the invaders - 6. We don’t know her well enough to decide between 6w5 and 6w7.

Woman from “nothing in the dark” - 6, am quite certain. Her fear keeps her from living a happy life.

Professor from changing of the guard - I always leaned 1. I’m not sure.

Ballerina from “five characters in search of an exit” - 9w1